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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:29:08 PM EST
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Those bastards! They are racist against Asians Can change affirmative action forever! Basically qualified people aren't getting the job due to being the wrong skin tone. It's worked in blacks favor for many years, and has stopped plenty of whites from getting jobs due to needing to meet a quota. Now it's affecting Asians, and they are suing since we are minorities too Yep. ALL colleges, and most businesses discriminate against Whites and Asians, legally. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:30:03 PM EST
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Damn right Asians are minorities.
We're 5% of the population. Seems to me that 5% is less than 13%. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:33:50 PM EST
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Damn right Asians are minorities. We're 5% of the population. Seems to me that 5% is less than 13%. It's oppressor/oppressed now, Asians are successful and therefore they're obviously oppressors like white people. Unless they're leftists in which case they're in the "champion of the oppressed" category. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:16 PM EST
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Damn right Asians are minorities. We're 5% of the population. Seems to me that 5% is less than 13%. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:42 PM EST
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Who financed the global slave trade?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:45 PM EST
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Just another reason that Affirmative Action in and of how it is written is racist. Time for it to go the fuck away.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:56 PM EST
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Being a minority doesn't matter anymore. It's oppressor/oppressed now, Asians are successful and therefore they're obviously oppressors like white people. Unless they're leftists in which case they're in the "champion of the oppressed" category. If you make other people "aware" you are absolved of all your sins as a privileged oppressor. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:38:10 PM EST
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Nah bro, your as White as the rest of us, because you are successful based on hard-work and merit, just like Whitey. I'm a half-White and half-Asian college educated conservative. The ultimate oppressor of dreams. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:38:18 PM EST
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Indeed. This is why Robert Lee started working for ESPN instead of becoming a doctor.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:39:00 PM EST
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I was once yelled at and lectured by an old black man. He kept getting mad at me, and telling me I "cut in line". I work at a pharmacy and was ringing up a drink and he was behind me.
I answered, "No sir, I did not, but if you are in a rush, you are more than welcome to ring up ahead of me". He responded "No, you jumped in line and it isn't fair" I still didn't understand what's going on. Then another black guy at the store filled me in, and he basically meant "black's were in America for 300 years, prior to the Vietnamese, and we are more socially accepted than they are, and he's made about it". I'm sorry but I wasn't asked to be born Asian American, and I have worked hard for EVERY thing I have, And I didn't expect handouts. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:39:49 PM EST
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Just another reason that Affirmative Action in and of how it is written is racist. Time for it to go the fuck away. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:54:47 PM EST
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Wife and her sister are Harvard graduates. One of my sons has the grades and test scores to get accepted. However, I've tried to not let him get his hopes up, and have explained to him that he has three strikes against him: white, male, Catholic
Asians are probably the only group that has a harder time getting in. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:57:25 PM EST
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Newsflash Asians: for the purposes of the dole and all forms of government cheese, you are white.
Congratulations on your promotion!
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:59:58 PM EST
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Being a minority doesn't matter anymore. It's oppressor/oppressed now, Asians are successful and therefore they're obviously oppressors like white people. Unless they're leftists in which case they're in the "champion of the oppressed" category. person brave/crazy enough to open a corner grocery in their neighborhoods |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:03:08 AM EST
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I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone.
They are pretty vocal and honest about their goal being "equal outcomes". So if some races are succeeding more than others, then the way to achieve equal outcome is to _____________ . |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:05:44 AM EST
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The only people the average black ghetto dweller hates more than every white man is the Korean guy who is the only person brave/crazy enough to open a corner grocery in their neighborhoods Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being a minority doesn't matter anymore. It's oppressor/oppressed now, Asians are successful and therefore they're obviously oppressors like white people. Unless they're leftists in which case they're in the "champion of the oppressed" category. person brave/crazy enough to open a corner grocery in their neighborhoods |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:11:34 AM EST
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Wife and her sister are Harvard graduates. One of my sons has the grades and test scores to get accepted. However, I've tried to not let him get his hopes up, and have explained to him that he has three strikes against him: white, male, Catholic Asians are probably the only group that has a harder time getting in. White non Jewish males face the hardest time gaining admissions. Once you take legacies out, it goes from bad to worse. Jews are the most over represented group. Asians the second. (per capita) What year is your wife? Graduate or undergraduate? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:15:47 AM EST
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California had rejected affirmative action long ago, at least for university admissions.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:16:11 AM EST
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I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. They are pretty vocal and honest about their goal being "equal outcomes". So if some races are succeeding more than others, then the way to achieve equal outcome is to _____________ . They are actually making pretty self interested choices. First, you let in top legacies. They are already rich brand ambassadors. Then you let in the very top students, they have a good shot at making it. (Jews and Asians dominate this) You then reserve a pretty good space for the very top minorities. Industry and government want them the most. Qualified and high performing minorities are actually the face of privilege in many ways. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:19:30 AM EST
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:19:32 AM EST
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Being a minority doesn't matter anymore. It's oppressor/oppressed now, Asians are successful and therefore they're obviously oppressors like white people. Unless they're leftists in which case they're in the "champion of the oppressed" category. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:23:32 AM EST
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That is not the general theme from top schools at all. (equal outcomes) They are actually making pretty self interested choices. First, you let in top legacies. They are already rich brand ambassadors. Then you let in the very top students, they have a good shot at making it. You then reserve a pretty good space for the very top minorities. Industry and government want them the most. Qualified and high performing minorities are actually the face of privilege in many ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. They are pretty vocal and honest about their goal being "equal outcomes". So if some races are succeeding more than others, then the way to achieve equal outcome is to _____________ . They are actually making pretty self interested choices. First, you let in top legacies. They are already rich brand ambassadors. Then you let in the very top students, they have a good shot at making it. You then reserve a pretty good space for the very top minorities. Industry and government want them the most. Qualified and high performing minorities are actually the face of privilege in many ways. I should clarify that I'm talking about the general liberal ideology, rather than the Harvard admissions committee. I always thought of it as designing an education around rich legacies. As part of their education, you provided minorities and lower income people (i.e. people they were unlikely to have been exposed to in their every day life). Those people were told they were getting an education, but really were there to provide an education. No different than bringing in lab rats for science class. It wouldn't make sense to bring it too many people from one race or socioeconomic class because that wouldn't further the education. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:25:50 AM EST
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No. Asians do not have a harder time. The math does not come near supporting that. White non Jewish males face the hardest time gaining admissions. Once you take legacies out, it goes from bad to worse. Jews are the most over represented group. Asians the second. (per capita) What year is your wife? Graduate or undergraduate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
No. Asians do not have a harder time. The math does not come near supporting that. White non Jewish males face the hardest time gaining admissions. Once you take legacies out, it goes from bad to worse. Jews are the most over represented group. Asians the second. (per capita) What year is your wife? Graduate or undergraduate? A 2009 Princeton study showed that Asians had to score a hundred and forty points higher on the S.A.T. than whites to have the same chance of admission to top universities. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:37:24 AM EST
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From the article: Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:42:38 AM EST
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Smart people fight 2.0!
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:43:44 AM EST
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Yeah, You are confusing some mathematical issues. That does not overcome the math of how many Asians there are and how many white people there are, how many are admitted and what their chances are for their given numbers. Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the article: Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:47:59 AM EST
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It's interesting that you're classifying Jewish as non-white? If you take out Jews and legacies (legacies are mostly white), (also 20ish% sometimes a strong 20ish%) You are down to a very small number of non Jewish white people who get into Harvard on merit. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:52:18 AM EST
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Yeah, You are confusing some mathematical issues. That does not overcome the math of how many Asians there are and how many white people there are, how many are admitted and what their chances are for their given numbers. Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:56:17 AM EST
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Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. If you took race out, literately these kids (whites, blacks and hispanics) would be scattered all around the chart score wise, if you picked the top say 10% that apply, the make of would have a lot more Asians, but now you factor in race and only allow 20% or the 10% to be Asian thought they make make up for more of that top 10%. How is that fair? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:06:30 AM EST
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That's per capita. But that doesn't exclude the fact that the average Asian being excepted is more qualified than the average white person on merit (and even more so than the blacks). So all things being equal, and race not being on the application, there should be a lot more Asians accepted. Just because we make up a smaller percentage of the population, does not mean we should have less opportunity to make it into the school of our choice. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:10:06 AM EST
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How is it harder considering they are scoring lower? If you took race out, literately these kids (whites, blacks and hispanics) would be scattered all around the chart score wise, if you picked the top say 10% that apply, the make of would have a lot more Asians, but now you factor in race and only allow 20% or the 10% to be Asian thought they make make up for more of that top 10%. How is that fair? I do not think the admissions policies are fair.....but no where did I offer an opinion on that. Just the reality of the absolute math. As to the math, again, as an Asian, your chances of getting into Harvard are much greater than any other group (except Jews, because there are far less Jews than Asians in the U.S.) However, you will have to compete against a more competitive cohort (other Asians) for your slots. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:20:10 AM EST
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Thats what you people get for incorporating rigorous study and academic performance into your culture!
I dunno what y'all expected, its why everyone hates jews. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:50:37 AM EST
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Yeah, You are confusing some mathematical issues. That does not overcome the math of how many Asians there are and how many white people there are, how many are admitted and what their chances are for their given numbers. Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots. Harvard Freshman class majority minority |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:24:41 AM EST
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Yeah, You are confusing some mathematical issues. That does not overcome the math of how many Asians there are and how many white people there are, how many are admitted and what their chances are for their given numbers. Just going off the cuff.... Harvard lets in about 2000 undergrads a year. 20% are Asians. 50% are white. If you take out Jews and legacies, you are down to less than 10% on merit but lets go with 50%. (if we go on the 10% merit vs the 20% Asian, which at this time is mostly merit, the conversation is over) Asians are what, 6%? Non Hispanic white are about 65%? Whatever the college bound cohort for each is.....Asians get admitted at a MUCH higher rate per capita of their cohort. My statement is an absolute truth. Because the Asian cohort has to increase standards, (because the Asians are dominate on merit) does not change that. Cliff notes: It is harder for a white kid to get in than an Asian kid because there are a lot more white kids and only so many slots.  Your logic is severely lacking. Being "harder" is not about outcomes, it's about the bar set for them to be admitted. More Asians are admitted per capita because they perform better academically, not because it's not admissions aren't biased against them. The fact that they have to score 140 points higher to get admitted proves it is harder for them.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:39:48 AM EST
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The only people the average black ghetto dweller hates more than every white man is the Korean guy who is the only person brave/crazy enough to open a corner grocery in their neighborhoods http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/11/woman-arrest-killing-bladensburg-store-owner/ The victim was my uncle. Got my VA CWP shortly thereafter. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:58:32 AM EST
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Asians are part of the whole SJW network and often describe themselves as a "marginalized" minority.
https://oblivionmag.com/2016/03/01/marginalized-asians-scapegoat-at-the-hands-of-white-privilege/ You know the spiel, victimized by the micro-aggressions of the evil white oppressor. yadda yadda So I say: lick my ball sack. You wanted a society based on anti-white racism and racial grievance and professional victimhood, well here you have it. Bon appetite! That's the thing none of these fucking SWJs realize: when communism takes over, we're all going to be eating the same rats out of the same garbage can. There's no paradise waiting at the end of the rainbow. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:03:36 AM EST
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check this shit out:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-affirmative-action-and-asian-americans This despicable SJW asshole says that discriminating against whites isn't a bad thing, but it might lead to resentment. Isn't that just happy crappy? "In the pursuit of diversity, some amount of racial balancing seems unavoidable, however taboo. We should not want the composition of our élite universities to be wildly out of proportion to the racial composition of our country. Such lopsided access to gateways of opportunity and power—say, with whites being severely underrepresented at schools like Harvard—has the potential to fuel dangerous resentment and disturb social peace, at least if the change occurs too far ahead of demographic changes that are projected to make whites a minority in this country in less than three decades." After 20+ years of this shit, I say everyone can go fuck themselves. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:17:13 AM EST
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when you value political correctness over quality.
what a time to be alive. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:20:35 AM EST
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I was once yelled at and lectured by an old black man. He kept getting mad at me, and telling me I "cut in line". I work at a pharmacy and was ringing up a drink and he was behind me. I answered, "No sir, I did not, but if you are in a rush, you are more than welcome to ring up ahead of me". He responded "No, you jumped in line and it isn't fair" I still didn't understand what's going on. Then another black guy at the store filled me in, and he basically meant "black's were in America for 300 years, prior to the Vietnamese, and we are more socially accepted than they are, and he's made about it". I'm sorry but I wasn't asked to be born Asian American, and I have worked hard for EVERY thing I have, And I didn't expect handouts. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:24:32 AM EST
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No. Asians do not have a harder time. The math does not come near supporting that. White non Jewish males face the hardest time gaining admissions. Once you take legacies out, it goes from bad to worse. Jews are the most over represented group. Asians the second. (per capita) What year is your wife? Graduate or undergraduate? What would an examination of SAT score needed for admission look like? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:25:04 AM EST
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Actually, it's worse. I'm a half-White and half-Asian college educated conservative. The ultimate oppressor of dreams. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nah bro, your as White as the rest of us, because you are successful based on hard-work and merit, just like Whitey. I'm a half-White and half-Asian college educated conservative. The ultimate oppressor of dreams. If they got rid of every cracker on the planet they would go after Asians next. Especially Koreans and Japanese. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:26:02 AM EST
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I'm all too familiar with corner stores in the ghetto. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/11/woman-arrest-killing-bladensburg-store-owner/ The victim was my uncle. Got my VA CWP shortly thereafter. I dont miss my ex or her mom, but her Dad was aces in my book. Anyway, the resdents of the neighborhood were bigoted assholes in most encounters with my former in laws. Philly cops (mostly black) never did shit about anything other than armed robbery. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:32:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryWay off how? I said "off the cuff" 50% it is about 50%.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:38:40 AM EST
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You're using a percentage of admissions compared to percentage of population metric. What would an examination of SAT score needed for admission look like? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:47:19 AM EST
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Your logic is severely lacking. Being "harder" is not about outcomes, it's about the bar set for them to be admitted. More Asians are admitted per capita because they perform better academically, not because it's not admissions aren't biased against them. The fact that they have to score 140 points higher to get admitted proves it is harder for them.An Asian has a greater chance of getting into Harvard than a White person does. It is a binary proposition. In or not. The performance of the Asian pool does not change the odds. The performance of the white pool does not change the odds (we are assuming roughly stable admissions stats) If they are letting in 20% Asians, you are not competing against the non Asians. You are competing against the Asians. That higher score represents competition for a forgone conclusion. (20%) If you have to drive farther than someone else to buy a lotto ticket does it change the odds? Even though you worked harder to get the ticket? Yes, I am rounding the edges for illustrative reasons, but I am trying to get across a concept. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:12:32 AM EST
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Newsflash Asians: for the purposes of the dole and all forms of government cheese, you are white. Congratulations on your promotion! |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:55:32 AM EST
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No, that is not how odds making works with fungible spots. You either get one or you do not. An Asian has a greater chance of getting into Harvard than a White person does. It is a binary proposition. In or not. The performance of the Asian pool does not change the odds. The performance of the white pool does not change the odds (we are assuming roughly stable admissions stats) If they are letting in 20% Asians, you are not competing against the non Asians. You are competing against the Asians. That higher score represents competition for a forgone conclusion. (20%) If you have to drive farther than someone else to buy a lotto ticket does it change the odds? Even though you worked harder to get the ticket? Yes, I am rounding the edges for illustrative reasons, but I am trying to get across a concept. I'm not understanding your point. If the Asians are scoring better on the SAT than whites, and are getting admitted at a % greater than their general population percentage, how would that not be fair? pretend that SAT scores were the only metric used, and the Asians made up 20% of the admitted class in spite of being 10% of the general population. That would represent a % based purely on merit. Please remember that I am a white oppressor when making your response. Even my unconscious thoughts cause brutal oppression of immensely privileged college students. I can marginalize you with my mind powers. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:08:48 PM EST
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Can you make an example? I'm not understanding your point. If the Asians are scoring better on the SAT than whites, and are getting admitted at a % greater than their general population percentage, how would that not be fair? pretend that SAT scores were the only metric used, and the Asians made up 20% of the admitted class in spite of being 10% of the general population. That would represent a % based purely on merit. Please remember that I am a white oppressor when making your response. Even my unconscious thoughts cause brutal oppression of immensely privileged college students. I can marginalize you with my mind powers. But the answer to your question is they limit Asian admissions. If it was all merit based there would be a lot more Asians. (Most of Harvard would be Asian and Jewish. They simply dominate merit based criteria) What you have is a rough idea of how many of each cohort will get in. That is why it is easier for Asians to get in than Whites. Asians are not competing with other whites they are competing with other Asians for the block of Asian slots. Imagine this. You have 100 White people and 10 Asians. They will let in 30 white people and 5 Asians. White people have a 30% chance of admission. Asians have a 50% chance. That is straight up odds. (My point) it is easier for Asians. Now, some people are having some trouble understanding where the higher Asian scores get put in this math issue. It does not go into the odds. (Calculating them as part of the entire data set, again broad brush to illustrate a point) As a tangent and to address your question, what is happeneing is the Asian population as a whole is performing better than the white population. So, even though the Asians have to score higher to get in, their odds are still 50%. While the Whites are only 30%. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:53:57 PM EST
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Welcome to the white race. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:14:36 PM EST
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No. Asians do not have a harder time. The math does not come near supporting that. White non Jewish males face the hardest time gaining admissions. Once you take legacies out, it goes from bad to worse. Jews are the most over represented group. Asians the second. (per capita) What year is your wife? Graduate or undergraduate? The only thing my son has in his favor is being a legacy. I know Harvard does actually give added weight for legacies. |
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