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Posted: 9/9/2010 9:09:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 5:40:34 PM EDT by The_4th_Horseman]
Apparently the Feds are trying to make it so if a police officer pulls someone over for a traffic stop and discovers they are in this country illegally the police officer would be forced to let that person go without calling federal authorities unless that individual is already a convicted felon.

Watching it on FOX NEWS right now.


UPDATE:

ICE Proposes New Policy That Would Let Illegal Immigrants Go Free

Illegal immigrants who get pulled over by police for traffic-related offenses will be set free if a proposed change in Immigration and Customs Enforcement policy is approved.

The proposal has come under by fire by county sheriffs near the Arizona-Mexico border — including some who spoke out against SB 1070, the controversial Arizona law that directs law enforcement officials to question people they suspect are in the country illegally. A federal judge has effectively put that law on hold, pending resolution in federal court of the Department of Justice's claim that it is unconstitutional.

The proposed changes in ICE policy state:

“Immigration officers should not issue detainers against an alien charged only with a traffic-related misdemeanor unless or until the alien is convicted."

The ICE proposal would prevent law enforcement officers from reporting illegal immigrants identified during the course of a traffic-related stop or arrest to federal authorities unless:

–– they are a convicted felon;

–– they are wanted for a felony;

–– they are part of an existing investigation;

–– they were involved in an accident involving drugs or alcohol, or they fled the scene.

The draft proposal was posted on ICE's website last month with a request for public comment. They will consider comments on the proposal from anyone who submits them and agency officials will reconvene at a future time to discuss the suggestions.

Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada, who opposed Arizona’s new immigration law, told KGUN9-TV, "It is surprising they would make that decision. I would suspect once an individual is identified as being here illegally, some process would kick in ... that would deport that person."

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, a staunch supporter of the Arizona law, also spoke out against ICE's proposal, telling KGUN, "Now it appears what they have in some draft policies and their proposal is to water down any strength in the federal law whatsoever, and this is clearly in direct opposition of what the people really want."

Estrada told FoxNews.com in a phone interview that he didn't think much would change for his department if the proposal became law.

"Now, we don't detain anyone. We call Border Patrol if we suspect someone is illegal, and we'll continue to do what we're doing," he said. "We'll continue to call Border Patrol and if we call Border Patrol and they don't respond, well...then they don't respond."

"I think this could be more of an issue everywhere else in the country with all the Border Patrol agents here at the border not that much will change," he said.

Senators John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., have written to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano expressing concern over the proposed change.

In a statement to FoxNews.com, Cornyn said:

“This situation is just another side effect of President Obama’s failure to deliver on his campaign promise to make immigration reform a priority in his first year. Until he does, state and local authorities are left with no choice but to pick up the slack for prosecuting and detaining criminal aliens.”

ICE spokesman Brian Hale provided this statement:

"Some recent news reporting grossly mischaracterizes ICE’s draft detainer policy for which the agency presents seeks public comment. ICE has removed record numbers of criminal and non criminal aliens under this administration. The draft policy is designed to solicit public input on how to best set priorities for the use of our limited detention resources to protect safety."




http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/09/immigration-policy-change/
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:10:59 AM EDT
wtf?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:11:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 9:11:39 AM EDT by Droc556]
And so it begins.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:12:14 AM EDT
Obama:
holy shit, looks like I'm going to lose in 2012, we need to get a new voter base in place ASAP!



Makes sense now!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:13:17 AM EDT
Wow, great a free pass for ever illegal in the country. Good idea obunghole. Way to make yet another protected class –– of criminals.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:13:35 AM EDT
Are you F-ing kidding me?

That's the most disgraceful thing I've heard in ages.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:15:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 9:17:14 AM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]
Cue the tent cities.

And the slaughter of Dem candidates in November.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:16:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 9:17:15 AM EDT by DragoMuseveni]
Guess I'm not carrying any more ID.

"Sorry officer but I'm not here legally. Now because you inconvinenced me go gas up my car and buy me a sammich."

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:17:36 AM EDT
What?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:18:07 AM EDT
Nudge

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Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:18:10 AM EDT
whiskey tango foxtrot?

if they're in the country ILLEGALLY, then they're already breaking a damn law. But we can't arrest them for that
But if they have a pound of meth in their car, they're breaking a law that we can arrest them for

so it seems that in one case 1+1 =! 2

anyone guess which one it is?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:18:34 AM EDT
How exactly could they force them?


Several ways.

1. Federal funding, any idea how many "grants" and other kickbacks- of YOUR money the local PD gets from the feds? That money isn't "free"- it ALWAYS comes with strings attached.

2. Civil Rights issue- Federal Law trumps state law.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:23:43 AM EDT
Evil no hablo ingles.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:24:51 AM EDT
Yep, I saw the same thing. Nothing like back-door legislation. More fuel for November's fire.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:25:12 AM EDT
They've been looking for an end run around the constitution for amnesty. This is what the lawyers came up with. Make it an exec order and you don't need congressional approval. How nice.

If this happens, prepare for widescale rebellion among the true citizens who reject amnesty. Maybe.



I'm waiting on the feds to say that local LE can't cite or enforce/detain on any feds laws.

SBR/SBS or homebrew M16 anyone?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:34:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_4th_Horseman:
Apparently the Feds are trying to make it so if a police officer pulls someone over for a traffic stop and discovers they are in this country illegally the police officer would be forced to let that person go without calling federal authorities unless that individual is already a convicted felon.

Watching it on FOX NEWS right now.


Civil disobedience and uprisings are coming. be prepared.

The POTUS does not have the constitutional authority to order state, county or town police officers to do or not do anything, including detaining, letting them go, or not calling federal authorities.

this is stepping way over the line.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:35:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rtech:
They've been looking for an end run around the constitution for amnesty. This is what the lawyers came up with. Make it an exec order and you don't need congressional approval. How nice.

If this happens, prepare for widescale rebellion among the true citizens who reject amnesty. Maybe.



I'm waiting on the feds to say that local LE can't cite or enforce/detain on any feds laws.

SBR/SBS or homebrew M16 anyone?


Yep you can't pick and choose, it's either all or none. Let's see how they go with that?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:36:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Will:

Federal Law trumps state law.


It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:36:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_4th_Horseman:
Apparently the Feds are trying to make it so if a police officer pulls someone over for a traffic stop and discovers they are in this country illegally the police officer would be forced to let that person go without calling federal authorities unless that individual is already a convicted felon.

Watching it on FOX NEWS right now.


I'm thinking it won't fly in court. This is the purview of the States, not the fedgov.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:37:14 AM EDT
Keep pushing Feds. Just keep pushing.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:40:52 AM EDT
Oh joy more Hope and Change . How exciting.












See if it desn't make for a wonderful Nov surprise.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:42:55 AM EDT
The percentage of Illegals from Belize will be on the rise.

Belize (pronounced /bɛˈliːz/ ( listen)) (formerly British Honduras), is a democratic constitutional monarchy in Central America. Belize has a diverse society, comprising many cultures and languages. Although Kriol and Spanish are spoken among the population, Belize is the only country in Central America where English is the official language. Belize is bordered by Mexico to its north, by Guatemala to its south and west, and by the Caribbean Sea to the east.

With 8,867 square miles (22,960 km²) of land and a population of only 333,200 people (2010 est.),[4] Belize possesses the lowest population density in Central America, and the third lowest in the Americas.[5] However, the country's population growth rate, 2.21% (2008 est.),[1] is the highest in the region and one of the highest in the western hemisphere. Belize's abundance of terrestrial and marine species, and its diversity of ecosystems give it a key place within the globally-significant Mesoamerican Biological Corridor.[6]

Belize is culturally unique among its Central American neighbors. It is the only nation in Central America with a British colonial heritage, although as a part of the Western Caribbean Zone, it shares this heritage with the Caribbean portions of other Central American countries. Despite this, Belize considers itself to be a Central American nation affiliated with both the Caribbean and Latin America.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:43:03 AM EDT
Huh. Saw that coming.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:43:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Will:

Federal Law trumps state law.


It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


That's why things like segregation are illegal.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:44:34 AM EDT
It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


You must have an old copy without the "Carpetbagger Amendments" as I like to call them....The Feds can do whatever the fuck they want to whoever they want whenever they want. Get used to it and there is only ONE way to change it and the Ballot Box ain't it.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 9:48:40 AM EDT
Thanks Zero, November is looking better every day. I am going to break out a nice bottle of Macallan election night.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:00:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NoMoAMMO:
Originally Posted By rtech:
They've been looking for an end run around the constitution for amnesty. This is what the lawyers came up with. Make it an exec order and you don't need congressional approval. How nice.

If this happens, prepare for widescale rebellion among the true citizens who reject amnesty. Maybe.



I'm waiting on the feds to say that local LE can't cite or enforce/detain on any feds laws.

SBR/SBS or homebrew M16 anyone?

Yep you can't pick and choose, it's either all or none. Let's see how they go with that?

Except most states outlaw NFA toys unless they are in the NFRTR.

What if there are outstanding warrants on the illegal? Invalid or no DL/Reg/Ins? Should he be allowed to go then?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:03:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Will:

Federal Law trumps state law.


It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


You must be a transplant from New York City or Shitcago.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:05:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 10:15:08 AM EDT by guardian855]
Originally Posted By Will:
It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


You must have an old copy without the "Carpetbagger Amendments" as I like to call them....The Feds can do whatever the fuck they want to whoever they want whenever they want. Get used to it and there is only ONE way to change it and the Ballot Box ain't it.


Article VI, Clause 2 has been in the Constitution since way before the Carpetbaggers were around......
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:06:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Will:
It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


You must have an old copy without the "Carpetbagger Amendments" as I like to call them....The Feds can do whatever the fuck they want to whoever they want whenever they want. Get used to it and there is only ONE way to change it and the Ballot Box ain't it.

the Constitution only says the feds can create laws to regulate immigration it does not say the fed is the sole ENFORCER.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:07:12 AM EDT
Illegals have the same protected species status as the 1970's MLB Players did...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:07:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Cue the tent cities.

And the slaughter of Dem candidates in November.


Are you saying that Republicans will make it an issue? They didn't in the last election... and it was incredibly stupid not to.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:07:28 AM EDT
Article VI, Clause 2 has been in the Constitution way before the Carpetbaggers were around......


That is true but it was never really an issue UNTIL they started enforcing the Carpetbagger Amendments.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:07:44 AM EDT
So, if I give up my citizenship and don't commit a felony, I won't ever have to pay taxes again?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:07:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WGPKlaus:
Obama:
holy shit, looks like I'm going to lose in 2012, we need to get a new voter base in place ASAP!



Makes sense now!


It all comes together, wait, illegals can't vote they're not citizens. Oh wait, that's right, it doesn't matter anymore. Who knows what the constitution says? Right to bare arms that shall not be infringed? wtf does that mean? I don't understand, oh well lets make some gun control laws.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:08:55 AM EDT
whiskey tango foxtrot!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:09:33 AM EDT
They really should provide them with a voters' registration card as well.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:09:56 AM EDT
He must have been sitting there thinking to himself "how can I piss off the country today?"

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Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:10:39 AM EDT
I don't think the democrats can be that stupid.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:13:32 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:15:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Evil no hablo ingles.


+ uno

TRG
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:16:20 AM EDT
Perfect! This should be in every campaign commercial!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:17:40 AM EDT
Low post count. Check.
New join date. Check.
No links to substantiate claim. Check
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:19:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pyro6988:
I don't think the democrats can be that stupid.


your kidding right????
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:20:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Guess I'm not carrying any more ID.

"Sorry officer but I'm not here legally. Now because you inconvinenced me go gas up my car and buy me a sammich."



+1.
I am going to ditch my wallet and work on my German. "Sprechen zie Deustch?" Illegally without papers.
I won't need car insurance nor a CHL.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:22:06 AM EDT
Low post count. Check.
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It's on T fucking V, not everything in the world has a "link" to it. At least one other poster in the thread has said they've seen the same thing.

Given all the bullshit that's going on it is at least plausible, we know that there was a memo circulated not long ago on how they were going to change enforcement to allow more people to stay in the country while appealing their status. Obama has got to do something to appeal to that portion of his base- especially right before such a tight election. I'm willing to wait and see on this one....
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:23:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Will:

Federal Law trumps state law.


It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...


You must be a transplant from New York City or Shitcago.

Huh, 10th Amendment says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Just because things like the Civil Rights Act were judicially upheld due to a loose linkages to the Constitution's Commerce Clause, as well as the 14th and 15th Amendments does not make the statement that Federal Law trumps state law a cardinal truth.

How would a Virginian be able to possess a Short Barrel Rifle but a resident from Alabama can't if this statement were true? Federal law says you can own an SBR, that means all 50 states would be bound by that statute, unless of course it wasn't true and the 10th Amendment means what it says.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:26:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bubbles:
Originally Posted By NoMoAMMO:
Originally Posted By rtech:
They've been looking for an end run around the constitution for amnesty. This is what the lawyers came up with. Make it an exec order and you don't need congressional approval. How nice.

If this happens, prepare for widescale rebellion among the true citizens who reject amnesty. Maybe.



I'm waiting on the feds to say that local LE can't cite or enforce/detain on any feds laws.

SBR/SBS or homebrew M16 anyone?

Yep you can't pick and choose, it's either all or none. Let's see how they go with that?

Except most states outlaw NFA toys unless they are in the NFRTR.

What if there are outstanding warrants on the illegal? Invalid or no DL/Reg/Ins? Should he be allowed to go then?


That is true, however, on federal statutes, most street cops call the ATF/FBI for firearm issues concerning NFA stuff. This is because most street cops know nothing about NFA at all. Like most would look at a chopped shotgun and never see the front sight on it and think, "That's a sawed off shotgun and must be illegal... Better call ATF!" The savvy officer would look and see a bead or blade on the nicely milled barrel and think, "That's a nicely done SBS, I wonder who did the work???" and never even think about asking for a tax stamp.

Heck, I would bet a lot of them just run the number through NCIC just to see if it's stolen. Never even thinking about tax stamps.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:28:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By The_4th_Horseman:
Apparently the Feds are trying to make it so if a police officer pulls someone over for a traffic stop and discovers they are in this country illegally the police officer would be forced to let that person go without calling federal authorities unless that individual is already a convicted felon.

Watching it on FOX NEWS right now.


Civil disobedience and uprisings are coming. be prepared.

The POTUS does not have the constitutional authority to order state, county or town police officers to do or not do anything, including detaining, letting them go, or not calling federal authorities.

this is stepping way over the line.

He does have the authority to order ICE to refuse to pick 'em up.

Which is what he's actually doing.

Not 'right', per se... But legal.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:30:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Will:

Federal Law trumps state law.


It does? My Constitution must read different than yours...

Only if yours doesn't include Article 6.

States have no authority to deport people.

Only the Feds can do this.

So if the feds won't pick up illegals from state/local custody, the state either has to release them or, if there is a state crime in question, try them and imprison them on the state's dime...



Link Posted: 9/9/2010 10:32:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_4th_Horseman:
Apparently the Feds are trying to make it so if a police officer pulls someone over for a traffic stop and discovers they are in this country illegally the police officer would be forced to let that person go without calling federal authorities unless that individual is already a convicted felon.


...because they are probably just on their way to the movie theatre to watch "Machete".
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