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Posted: 12/3/2007 1:23:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 1:23:34 PM EDT by 82ndAbn]
1. Don't commit crimes (If you do when we come for you, please listen to our helpfull hints on how to not get shot/tased/AK'ed)
2. Do not drive drunk (If you do please listen to our helpfull hints)
3. Obey traffic laws and keep you plates/dl current (When stopped, ears open mouth shut and you will most likely get a warning, If you disagree I will be happy to discuss in a court, if you disagree and are remaining calm I will even be willing to discuss on the side of the road)
4. Don't hang out with criminals or druggies
5. If you can't do #3 then remain quite and calm do not engage in acts that make us think that you want to fight, If I ask you questions you don't want to or are not required to answer try the following "Am I free to go?" We will tell you


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Pretty easy isn't it
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:34:09 AM EDT
The point he is trying to make is that under most circumstances if you have a complaint, the side of the road/parking lot/etc is not the place to discuss it.

To answer Dusty, it is possible with passive resistance but that is outside the scope of the question asked and is heavily situation dependant.

So in short, blah blah blah. The op's advice is good advice.

Joe
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:34:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:34:41 AM EDT by DK-Prof]
It's remarkable how easy it is to NOT break the law to the extend that you get searched/cuffed/arrested/tased.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:36:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
Above:

Wrong address warrant service is completely preventable and when it is done the PD needs to make it right and take steps to prevent it happening in the future

I have never been involved in a wrong addres service,

The number of acceptable wrong address services is zero!

ETA:

shootemup, plese let me know your experiance of being harrased by the police...

I bet you were not driving in a current registered car at the speed limit driving in a safe manner and some popo just decided to pull you over for the fun of it



DUI checkpoint
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:36:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?


You just can't resist can you?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:37:10 AM EDT
Honestly, some folks have delusions of grandure

I could not care less about where you are going what you are doing unless you are breaking the law. I don't want to kick your ass for a lot of reasons. Even when you are breaking the law in a minor method, I would really like to cut you a break, but when you just have to stick it to the man.......



Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:38:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.


Dang, the driver had barely 10 seconds from first request for DL and proof of insurance before the police officer raised his tone. Then just under 25 seconds before the officer opened the car door to have the driver step out.

Is this the normal time requirement for producing DL/insurance?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:38:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:40:14 AM EDT by 4Kilo12]

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
Above:

Wrong address warrant service is completely preventable and when it is done the PD needs to make it right and take steps to prevent it happening in the future

I have never been involved in a wrong addres service,

The number of acceptable wrong address services is zero!

ETA:

shootemup, plese let me know your experiance of being harrased by the police...

I bet you were not driving in a current registered car at the speed limit driving in a safe manner and some popo just decided to pull you over for the fun of it



DUI checkpoint



We don;t do those, we do saturation patrols
It's very easy to make it through those as well if you have not been drinking
Edit:
I suggest you contact you local Sheriff, Troop commander and get like minded folks to do so as well, We hate the checkpoints as officers as well, it ties up valuabe manhours to appease some groups.


Remember the magic words
"Am I free to go"

All you have to say
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:40:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:43:15 AM EDT
From a different thread:



THE SECOND TO LAST THING I EVER WANT TO DO IS USE FORCE I bet 95% of all offciers and 99.9% of Arfcom officers feel the same way

Lets discuss why:
1. I like to treat people like I would like to be treated. I try to give everyone a chance to do things the easiset way for both parties involved
2. They can and do get hurt (see below, then I have to transport their sorry ass to the hospitial or wait for a medic)
3. It's a crapload of paperwork
4. I would be overjoyed if I could complete a shift without having to arrest anyone, but sadly they just won't let me do that. People blow off their court dates, beat up their spouse, drive drunk, rob,rape, and otherwise violate others. Therefore I must bring them to answer for their transgressions to their peers. If you are not an ass I will even call the jail and have them get started on your paperwork so you may get out sooner.
5. I am not in the punishement business nor a sadist, sadly some people will not listen to reason, and they must be compeled to do things, such as submit to arrest, I will try and convince you that submitting is the best course of action for both of us, but if that fails, I must either convince you by pain compliance, physicaly making you or even deadly force if it comes to that, but the arestee is always in control of how far it goes, if you are in pain or being injured you may stop resisting at any time, and then I will get you any medical attention that you may need, and so long as you don't want to start acting a fool again we are done, nothing personal it's a job. If you want to act decent there will be no malace form me
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:43:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:45:42 AM EDT by Gator]

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.


That was legal but unprofessional


If he had followed #3 and not broken the speed limit and had his plates encounter woul dhave never taken place


70 in a 65? Get serious. They didn't have their rear plate on, that's probably why they were pulled over.

I hope that officer is no longer an officer.
The response was "Whoa whoa whoa. Let me get it."

My understanding of the English language is that the person stated they are going to produce their license.

Tolerance for shit like this is why there are cop bashing threads. If people like this were fired or SERIOUSLY reprimanded like they should be, there wouldn't be a problem.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:44:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
Above:

Wrong address warrant service is completely preventable and when it is done the PD needs to make it right and take steps to prevent it happening in the future

I have never been involved in a wrong addres service,

The number of acceptable wrong address services is zero!

ETA:

shootemup, plese let me know your experiance of being harrased by the police...

I bet you were not driving in a current registered car at the speed limit driving in a safe manner and some popo just decided to pull you over for the fun of it



DUI checkpoint



We don;t do those, we do saturation patrols
It's very easy to make it through those as well if you have not been drinking
Edit:
I suggest you contact you local Sheriff, Troop commander and get like minded folks to do so as well, We hate the checkpoints as officers as well, it ties up valuabe manhours to appease some groups.


Remember the magic words
"Am I free to go"

All you have to say


Yeah, but they still stop random innocent people, waster their time, invade their privacy, and generally harass people minding their own business
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:45:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.


That was legal but unprofessional


If he had followed #3 and not broken the speed limit and had his plates encounter woul dhave never taken place


Wow, that was completely out of line by that officer, I hope he got hammered for that. There are a number of ways it can be approached, and that was the wrong one. I have been stopped for not having a plate on the front of my car, had it in the trunk. Officer was polite and just asked to make sure it was on. I put it in the front windshield, had no way to attach it to the bumper. He stopped me again for it, remembered me and said it had to be on the bumper and let me go.

Ended up having to drill out my bumper, but had respect for the officer because he was polite and treated me well, and not like I was "not respecting his authority!"
I agree that it was probably legal but unprofessional. But there was another way it could have been avoided. If the officer hadn't been a dickhead from the very begining the motorist may not have ended up out of the car and on the ground with a tazer sticking out of his ass.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:46:21 AM EDT
I dont get harassed by the police and I've made a list of the reasons why:


-I'm White
-I dont drink or do any drugs
-I dont associate with criminals nor engage in a life of crime myself
-My vehicle is nondescript with current paperwork


It seems like if everyone would follow the rules that I adhere to every day then they'd be fine.

Most of the problems I see stem from only these issues.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:48:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gator:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.


That was legal but unprofessional


If he had followed #3 and not broken the speed limit and had his plates encounter woul dhave never taken place


70 in a 65? Get serious. They didn't have their rear plate on, that's probably why they were pulled over.

I hope that officer is no longer an officer.
The response was "Whoa whoa whoa. Let me get it."

My understanding of the English language is that the person stated they are going to produce their license.

Tolerance for shit like this is why there are cop bashing threads. If people like this were fired or SERIOUSLY reprimanded like they should be, there wouldn't be a problem.


APD agrees with you and he was punished, I am not sure if the tasee was compensated


http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/opm/downloads/TempSus_OConnor_06-635.pdf

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:49:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By justice23:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?


You just can't resist can you?


What's disturbing is an apparent trend in the escalation of violence. In many of these cases, we see the officer unnecessarily escalating the situation. It might be legal, but is really right or moral?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:50:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Yeah, but they still stop random innocent people, waster their time, invade their privacy, and generally harass people minding their own business






Yeah.... I have so much idle time between the calls holding I decide to play the meow game with random motorists...


Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:52:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gator:

Originally Posted By justice23:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?


You just can't resist can you?


What's disturbing is an apparent trend in the escalation of violence. In many of these cases, we see the officer unnecessarily escalating the situation. It might be legal, but is really right or moral?


+1

These cops must love hte taser. The next best thing to being able shoot people with their real guns.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:53:26 AM EDT
just comply
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:56:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By Gator:

Originally Posted By justice23:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?


You just can't resist can you?


What's disturbing is an apparent trend in the escalation of violence. In many of these cases, we see the officer unnecessarily escalating the situation. It might be legal, but is really right or moral?


+1

These cops must love hte taser. The next best thing to being able shoot people with their real guns.


I'll tell you what. Just to make you happy, the next time i have a subject that I am justified in using intermeditate weapons on I'll choose the ASP intead.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:57:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

APD agrees with you and he was punished, I am not sure if the tasee was compensated


http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/opm/downloads/TempSus_OConnor_06-635.pdf





3 days, probably with pay? Is that a reprimand, or a joke?
As director of Civil Service, I'd like to see a letter to the effect of 'behavior such as this will not be tolerated. If officer X continues to do so, he'll need to look for another job."
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:21:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
1. Don't commit crimes (If you do when we come for you, please listen to our helpfull hints on how to not get shot/tased/AK'ed)
2. Do not drive drunk (If you do please listen to our helpfull hints)
3. Obey traffic laws and keep you plates/dl current (When stopped, ears open mouth shut and you will most likely get a warning, If you disagree I will be happy to discuss in a court, if you disagree and are remaining calm I will even be willing to discuss on the side of the road)
4. Don't hang out with criminals or druggies
5. If you can't do #3 then remain quite and calm do not engage in acts that make us think that you want to fight, If I ask you questions you don't want to or are not required to answer try the following "Am I free to go?" We will tell you


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Pretty easy isn't it



Do not question authority You can ask me any questions you want provided that you are not a threat to yourself/me/others , do what you are told, follow laws passed by others who know what is better for you Bitching at the wrong people, Heck I agree and will do everything I can to cut you a break , understand your place in society,leave disputes to be taken care of for you, trust the government at all levels Please look at some of the other posts I make , pay your taxes no matter how much they are increased... yawn.



Yawn,,,,,
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:21:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By Gator:

Originally Posted By justice23:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?


You just can't resist can you?


What's disturbing is an apparent trend in the escalation of violence. In many of these cases, we see the officer unnecessarily escalating the situation. It might be legal, but is really right or moral?


+1

These cops must love hte taser. The next best thing to being able shoot people with their real guns.


I surely do love the Taser. Because of it I do not have to use force in the way of my fists, or a baton. Taser is a 5 second ride, and then you are done unless resistance continues(I have taken Taser hits). Baton / fists is physical injury guaranteed. What amazes me is how often the baton is not used when it is completely justified. That aside, having to use force is a pain in the ass. I would much rather talk with someone and gain verbal compliance, but that just doesnt alway happen I wont talk long, especially if there are signs of active resistance or its threat. If I have to use force, I will do it quickly and end the situation. Letting things escalate never works.

I like guns, I like freedom, I wish CCW for all law abiding citizens I am tired of being perceived as the Gestapo, who spends time devising ways to screw the public. I do my job to the best of my abilities (not perfect am I) and ensure my officers do to.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:23:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lougorilla:


Well then, I guess it's all better now... You have to be kidding me? Three days suspension, with the option to use vacation to cover those days. You think that is satisfactory then? Three days suspsension? My ass. Improper use of force should send this officer back to remedial training. 3 Days suspension is nothing.

And what he has done is more than violate a citizen. He has shamed the Austin Police department. I can't believe they would tolerate scum like that. The officer should have been forced to hand in his badge and gun, and been escorted out of the building. They need to send a message to all their officers that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

Snip, I can not make policy for APD....

I have not seen APD's UOF policy,
Our leadeship would have most likely taken much more severe steps in that case
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:23:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 10:25:35 AM EDT by MikeHoncho]
In these three pages you've put forth a lot of dogshit. I thought I'd save some time and only comment on piece with the foulest smell and most corn. We all have professions too but you don't see many others giving out advice on how not to encounter physical violence during the discharge of their services. What kind of an asshole goes into a place of mixed company and essentially says this: "I have a monopoly on physical force and if you don't follow items 1-5 I'm going to use it"? Please STFU and get lost.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:26:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
Above:

Wrong address warrant service is completely preventable and when it is done the PD needs to make it right and take steps to prevent it happening in the future

I have never been involved in a wrong addres service,

The number of acceptable wrong address services is zero!

ETA:

shootemup, plese let me know your experiance of being harrased by the police...

I bet you were not driving in a current registered car at the speed limit driving in a safe manner and some popo just decided to pull you over for the fun of it


Are you 12 years old? DO you really think driving 70 in a 65 zone is cause for being pulled over? I'm sure you drive at exactly 65 in a 65 zone when you're off duty, right?

What a maroon.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:27:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MikeHoncho:
In these three pages you've put forth a lot of dogshit. I thought I'd save some time and only comment on piece with the foulest smell and most corn. We all have professions too but you don't see many others giving out advice on how not to encounter physical violence during the discharge of their services. What kind of an asshole goes into a place of mixed company and essentially says this: "I have a monopoly on physical force and if you don't follow items 1-5 I'm going to use it"? Please STFU and get lost.


Most professions do not involve the use of force at all.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:27:41 AM EDT
Dumbest fucking thread today....

OP in pursuit of attention whore status? This thread was necessary HOW?

Low hiring standards by "Department X". You passed the MMPI HOW???

*sniff* Rook? *tilt*

Was your FTO asleep?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 10:27:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MikeHoncho:
In these three pages you've put forth a lot of dogshit. I thought I'd save some time and only comment on piece with the foulest smell and most corn. We all have professions too but you don't see many others giving out advice on how not to encounter physical violence during the discharge of their services. What kind of an asshole goes into a place of mixed company and essentially says this: "I have a monopoly on physical force and if you don't follow items 1-5 I'm going to use it"? Please STFU and get lost.

Did you recently refuse to sign a citation

In your profession are your duties to take into custody people who are violent?

I am an asshole? Thats good, a lot of officers tell me I am too 'nice' I take great pride in being level headed, I can't tell you how many times I would have liked to kick someones ass, however my morals and intergity would not allow me

As far as STFU... thats rich....
Since I happen to have worked for a county governement and now do so for free, I have no rights to express my thoughts.........

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:16:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:19:12 AM EDT by BozemanMT]
Would you like my papers too?

Those are really good rules
For 1939 Germany or Russia or Venezuela.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:18:01 AM EDT
Yeah, cause the police *NEVER* make errors.

You're on crack.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:18:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
Would you like my papers too?

Those are really good rules
For Germany




Only your DL and proof of insurance if you are operating a motor vehicle and I observe you commit an offense.

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:19:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Yeah, cause the police *NEVER* make errors.

You're on crack.


That is addressed, police are human and do make errors.

I suggest that you calmly ask for a supervisor if you feel that something is not right
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:19:42 AM EDT
In my perfect world I have ice cream sundaes for breakfast.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:19:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:21:03 AM EDT by larkinmusic]
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:19:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Yeah, cause the police *NEVER* make errors.

You're on crack.


That is addressed, police are human and do make errors.

I suggest that you calmly ask for a supervisor if you feel that something is not right




You really believe this stuff don't you?
or you are just trolling
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:20:05 AM EDT
Is there anything unreasonable about those things I said?

Really it is very simple to keep the popo out of your life.....

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:20:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
1. Don't commit crimes (If you do when we come for you, please listen to our helpfull hints on how to not get shot/tased/AK'ed)
2. Do not drive drunk (If you do please listen to our helpfull hints)
3. Obey traffic laws and keep you plates/dl current (When stopped, ears open mouth shut and you will most likely get a warning, If you disagree I will be happy to discuss in a court, if you disagree and are remaining calm I will even be willing to discuss on the side of the road)
4. Don't hang out with criminals or druggies
5. If you can't do #3 then remain quite and calm do not engage in acts that make us think that you want to fight, If I ask you questions you don't want to or are not required to answer try the following "Am I free to go?" We will tell you


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Pretty easy isn't it


Good Post.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:20:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:21:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Yeah, cause the police *NEVER* make errors.

You're on crack.


That is addressed, police are human and do make errors.

I suggest that you calmly ask for a supervisor if you feel that something is not right


Yeah, kindly ask for the supervisor before or after you get tased, shot, beat down?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:21:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:21:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:25:27 AM EDT by wesmerc]
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:23:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
Would you like my papers too?

Those are really good rules
For 1939 Germany or Russia or Venezuela.



wtf

srsly, wtf.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:23:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
You mean like this guy?


ETA I think he broke a couple of your rules.


That was legal but unprofessional


If he had followed #3 and not broken the speed limit and had his plates encounter woul dhave never taken place
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:23:36 AM EDT
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:23:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Yeah, cause the police *NEVER* make errors.

You're on crack.


That is addressed, police are human and do make errors.

I suggest that you calmly ask for a supervisor if you feel that something is not right


Yeah, kindly ask for the supervisor before or after you get tased, shot, beat down?
So, when someone is calm, rational, sober, and compliant how often do they still get tased or their ass kicked?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:24:40 AM EDT
Hey, I bet there is a Chris Rock video that would be PERFECT for this thread!
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:25:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?

No I am saying that 9/10 of encounters with the police can be prevented


I will admit that there are bad officers out there I hate them more than you most likely.

I am saying that it is very easy to take simple steps to keep the popo out of your affairs and if the popo are in your affairs there are very easy ways to avoid unpleasant encounters
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:26:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:26:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:27:23 AM EDT by DD977GM2]
Damn double post
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:28:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
Would you like my papers too?

Those are really good rules
For 1939 Germany or Russia or Venezuela.


This is the dumbest response... All the OP stated, in essence, was obey the law. Do you really think just obeying basic laws (and the common sense of not hanging out with criminals) is extremism or fascism?
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