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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:42:18 PM EDT
Ok I am just back home from one of my work road trips. So I seat myself at the home 'puter to cruise the 'net in high speed.
In my 'puter room is where I have muliple radio scanners going, another reason to sit here when I get home to here whays going on.
On the local ambulance dispatch channel I hear a run to the south side of Evansville, suddenly the Evansville 800 scanner lights up sending fire to the same location. Ok now it has my interest, since I worked for the ambulance here for a while.
When dispatch comes back to give info to the responding crews they advise 69 yo male attempting to light a cigarette while wearing his oxygen.
The caller was the patient, and was having difficulty breathing, hard to understand, and his face was burned and the house was filled with smoke. Dispatch kept updating crews as to the patient was getting harder to understand and having increased difficulty breathing.
The ambulance crew did not spend much time on scene and when they called in route to Hosp. you could hear the stress in the techs voice.
From the discription sounds like he burned his airway which is not a good thing. And no that don't buff out.
Ok I smoke, I am a Medic but I learned about smoking and oxygen before I became a Medic.
And why do people on oxygen try to smoke?
Posted in GD for the possible forward to Darwin awards.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:44:44 PM EDT
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:48:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????



In the presence of high concentrations of oxygen, things that are normally not flammabe will burst into flames if ignited. Could have been his mask, clothes, or just about anything.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:50:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????



I'd ask the guys sitting in Apollo I about that.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:52:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 4:53:35 PM EDT by Taffy223]

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????



the mask delivering the Oxygen is normaly plastic/flamable....this can be the combustible while the Oxygen premotes the burning.

there may be more to the story but the story in itself is accurate and plausible...

We had a very nasty incident on a RAF C130 when a face mask was set to 100% Oxygen which caught fire...
yes..... it was like a little flame thrower.....in the cockpit....

Taffy
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:52:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????



In the presence of high concentrations of oxygen, things that are normally not flammabe will burst into flames if ignited. Could have been his mask, clothes, or just about anything.



that's right. if you light a match in an 100% O2 environment, the match will burn VERY bright and VERY hot until it is consumed, and the fire will then go out.

Fire has two parts: the fuel (whatever burns) and the oxidizer (oxygen in some form) oxygen alone can not be a fuel
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:55:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 4:58:39 PM EDT by Taffy223]
fire has 3 parts......

combustible
heat source
oxygen



unless we are talking specialised mono fuels....ie avpin

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:49:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
fire has 3 parts......

combustible
heat source
oxygen



unless we are talking specialised mono fuels....ie avpin

www.csmc.edu/images/371590_fire_triangle.gif



Normal fires can be characterized as a classic Fire Triangle, consisting of three parts - air, fuel, and ignition.
O2 fires dont fall into that class as normally thought of. Do not let high O2 come in contact with anything combustable.

www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/0/e88be35d13ef81f685256a860081e837/$FILE/p4638f.pdf
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:38:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By otar:

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
fire has 3 parts......

combustible
heat source
oxygen



unless we are talking specialised mono fuels....ie avpin

www.csmc.edu/images/371590_fire_triangle.gif



Normal fires can be characterized as a classic Fire Triangle, consisting of three parts - air, fuel, and ignition.
O2 fires dont fall into that class as normally thought of. Do not let high O2 come in contact with anything combustable.

www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/0/e88be35d13ef81f685256a860081e837/$FILE/p4638f.pdf






some people just do not listen.......#shrugs#

I guess you must be the expert....my years working in a LOx bay mean nothing

Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:40:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
fire has 3 parts......

combustible
heat source
oxygen



unless we are talking specialised mono fuels....ie avpin

www.csmc.edu/images/371590_fire_triangle.gif



you're right, fire does need a heat source, though once it is burning, it more or less becomes its own heat souce.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:48:38 AM EDT
Fire only needs two parts.

Havent you ever heard of spontaneous combustion?


"some people, just need burning"
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:51:17 AM EDT
Funny, lady in Greenwood, IN did the same thing about 2 weeks ago. Burned herself and the inside of her apartment.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:54:18 AM EDT
Must be bad if they did a snatch and grab on him! Incidently, Snarfbat, a bunch of us are going up to the range at Aurthur this afternoon. You're welcom to come up and participate in all the black rifle goodness!
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:59:28 AM EDT
probably not a Darwin canidate, 69 years old, probably already passed along his genes.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 9:05:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2006 9:06:10 AM EDT by rcoers]
There must be something about smoking and oxygen tanks in Indiana:

Officials: Smoking, Oxygen Tank Led To Apartment Fire

Woman Suffers Severe Burns, Smoke Inhalation

POSTED: 6:23 am EST March 8, 2006
UPDATED: 4:37 pm EST March 8, 2006

GREENWOOD, Ind. -- An apartment fire that left a 64-year-old woman with severe burns early Wednesday probably began because she was smoking near an oxygen tank, officials said. The fire started at about 2 a.m. at the Cambridge Square apartments on County Line Road, near the Greenwood Park Mall, in a section of the complex that houses mainly senior citizens, 6News' Julie Pursley reported. Officials said the fire began inside the woman's apartment. She was taken to Indianapolis' Wishard Memorial Hospital for treatment of severe burns and smoke inhalation; her name was not available. Units near the one where the fire began were evacuated. Most of those people were allowed to return to their homes later in the morning. The woman was on medical oxygen and was smoking when the fire happened, officials said.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 9:19:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Hmmmmmm, oxygen itself doesn't burn, it feeds the fire that is burning. I think there's more to this story that you may not have heard over the scanner??????????????



In the presence of high concentrations of oxygen, things that are normally not flammabe will burst into flames if ignited. Could have been his mask, clothes, or just about anything.



Like the smoke from the cig. Yes, it CAN burn if there is enough oxygen. Strange things happen when you increase oxygen concentration just a few percent.

Ever see what liquid oxygen does to charcoal briquettes? This falls under the topic "how to ignite the BBQ in under 5 milliseconds", followed by "how to melt the Weber Kettle into a blob in under 2 seconds" which itself is followed by "honey, I set the deck on fire" and finally "Allstate, I had a little problem".
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