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Posted: 6/4/2002 7:57:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:00:44 AM EDT
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[V] [:(!] [argue] [heavy] [kill] [moon] [shock][stick]
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:18:27 AM EDT
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what in the fvck!!!!? Anyone wanna start an email campaign directed at Break Free? Ugh. Any other sources of CLP (I can't find Remington Nitro anymore)
Sheesh. -Gloftoe |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:24:03 AM EDT
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It's even worse. The same company owns Safariland, American Body Armor, Speedfeed, and Lightning Powder.
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:25:36 AM EDT
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If this is important to us all, get off your duffs and let breakfree know you won't purchase their product and why. I just fired off my own email.
-legrue |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:44:17 AM EDT
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It appears they took the page down. I just tried to bring it up and it comes up blank.
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:45:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: what? are they stupid now?!? Im [b]extremely[/b] disappointed in BreakFree!! I intend to write them a letter. whats their email address? Guess I won't be buying any more Break Free. [:(!] BTW, here is the IACP's official position on the matter... Limit the manufacture and sale of automatic and semi-automatic assault-type firearms. The deadly flow of military assault-type automatic and semi-automatic weapons onto U.S. streets and into the hands of violent criminals means that all too frequently the superior firepower belongs to the criminals, not law enforcement. These weapons have no sporting and/or hunting purpose. Rather, they are used by those who desire "ultimate firepower" in order to quickly kill or seriously wound large groups of persons. Manufacture and sale of assault weapons to the general public should be prohibited. Federal legislation to this effect is needed immediately. [url]http://www.theiacp.org/documents/index.cfm?fuseaction=document&document_id=161[/url] |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:50:35 AM EDT
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Welp.
No more break-free for me. Ever. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:59:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Welp. No more break-free for me. Ever. You won't have to change your name will you? |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:08:46 AM EDT
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Did well for twenty years without it. Someone will step up to bat that is more user friendly.
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:15:26 AM EDT
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Armor Holdings, Break-free's parent company doesn't have an email to send 'complaints'.
However they do have a form for "information requests" that says "Use this area to ask a question, make a comment, or request information"...so I did. I told them I wouldn't buy any of their products, not just Break-free. [url]http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=AH&script=1300[/url] |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:31:50 AM EDT
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Geeeeeese,
This is some bad news. I guess its time to experiment with a new lube. Been thinking about a 10w30/slick 50 mix. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 10:52:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Geeeeeese, This is some bad news. I guess its time to experiment with a new lube. Been thinking about a 10w30/slick 50 mix. Its a rifle, not an internal combustion engine. Just go out and buy RoyCo 634 - its the other approved CLP the military uses, has been for quire a while. It has been sold comercially as [b]Remmington Nitro CLP[/b] (make sure it says CLP). Otherwise you can order it by the gallon/case from several suppliers. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 11:06:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Geeeeeese, This is some bad news. I guess its time to experiment with a new lube. Been thinking about a 10w30/slick 50 mix. Its a rifle, not an internal combustion engine. Just go out and buy RoyCo 634 - its the other approved CLP the military uses, has been for quire a while. It has been sold comercially as [b]Remmington Nitro CLP[/b] (make sure it says CLP). Otherwise you can order it by the gallon/case from several suppliers. $212 per case of 6 1 gal containers https://trorderonline.thomasregister.com/Main.tpl?&CachedSearch=1&Origin=VURL&NoCache=1023217309&CatalogID=960&PHName=Keyword%20Search%20634&PHLast=-1&ItemCount=1&AZNumber=56364003&ItemViewStart=1&AlphaStart=1&SupplierID=678&ItemID=1173831&Navigation=DetailsNav.tpl&BuyerSelection=ItemDetails.tpl It is a secure website, copy and paste URL |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 11:19:28 AM EDT
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between the Govt and LEO's I dont think they care if we dont buy their produts. They are supporting their largest clients...
I have always used Break-Free CLP but one my current supply runs out I will never give money to that company again. A stab in the back to us gun-owners... |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 5:54:12 PM EDT
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Did a little poking around on Armor Holding's web site, and found this fellow, who is probably the person to whom your "concerns" should be directed:
Stephen E. Croskrey, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Products Division According to his bio, Mr. Croskrey is an ex-Army Captain. Seems to me that writing a letter to this fellow would carry more weight than sending an e-mail (particularly since we don't have his particular email address). Also, this allows him to take your letter with him on his way down to the cubicle of which ever peon made this stupid decision — Makes it a lot easier to bitch someone out when you have the facts on paper in front of you! [;D] |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 6:12:15 PM EDT
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Ahahahahaha! Yet another reason to not use something that does a mediocre job of three different things.
I've never used Breakfree CLP and never will now. Idiots. What are they thinking? I suspect that they won't be supporting that group much longer. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 6:16:04 PM EDT
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this a job for the ar15.com army?
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Posted: 6/4/2002 6:22:19 PM EDT
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There are about 7 employees at Armor Holdings headquarters. They are in fact a holding company. I would venture that heads will not roll over this. Their primary customers are in fact government and Law enforcement agencies. Supporting the IACP is simply good business sense. Their memberhip buys hundreds of millions of $$ from them yearly. a relatively few incidental customers sending their business elsewhere is not going to change that. If it makes one feel better to voice their opinion or seeking another supplier of similar products please feel free. I tend to use remoil anyway and have had no problems.
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Posted: 6/4/2002 6:41:59 PM EDT
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[b]shotar[/b], you could have made a very similar arguement about Smith & Wesson — With all those lucrative government and LEO contracts, why would they care about what a few private citizens think?
If someone threatened the profitability of one of your subsidiaries, don't you think you'd care? |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 7:04:16 PM EDT
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Skibane:
I would however suggest that S&W situation was far different. They had already lost significant market share in the government sector, their bread and butter was truly in the consumer market. Most of Armor Holdings business is in fact geared towards government sales. I would also venture that there are far fewer owners of SURs than other types of rifle. These owners will not really be up in arms over their support of the IACP. example, I spend about $10/yr on CLP ( whatever brand ) I presume that others spend about the same. The membership here is about 20k. If we all stop buying that is about $200k. If the IACP stops buying that is about $20mm. I have clients of their size that pay me around $200k annually to find them salesmen. They really think nothing of it. Our 200k is not going to cause them to lose sleep over losing out on $20mm. As I said, if it rests your conscience not to buy that is fine, but I really wouldn't expect them to change their support of the IACP over it. I would also venture that the IACP is an international organization and their policies are not set solely by US chiefs. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:32:47 PM EDT
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Guys, let not go overboard here. They make a good product, one many of us have used for years and would like to continue to use.
Let's first try writing, faxing, pressure, blackmail, whatever, to get them to see the error in their ways. If they have any brains at all they will see things our way and change their policy. If they refuse, then that's the time to tell them to go to hell. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 8:39:48 PM EDT
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Well, if anyone wants any Break Free products, FREE, you can check the large green plastic container in front of my garage. It houses such Break Free products as CLP in aerosol and pump, bore paste and bore cleaner.
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:06:33 PM EDT
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[b]shotar[/b], there's no reason to assume that a boycott would be confined to just the members of this site. The NRA has condemned the IACP before, and possibly would welcome the chance to take another slap at them (particularly since I don't recall seeing any advertisements for CLP in any of the NRA publications). That's over 4 million people right there.
I think that as soon as word of this gets out, you'll see plenty of support. My guess is that any mention of IACP support will soon disappear from Break Free's web site. However, getting them to [b][i]actually stop supporting[/i][/b] IACP (let alone renounce their previous support) will be a bit larger challenge. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:30:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, if anyone wants any Break Free products, FREE, you can check the large green plastic container in front of my garage. It houses such Break Free products as CLP in aerosol and pump, bore paste and bore cleaner. No shit..check my big ass plastic container as well. All my products are history. Thanks for the info...I wish we could put these backstabbing F**ks in the cheese line! |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:44:50 PM EDT
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i dont use break free i use milsurp CLP i bought at a funshow a long time ago still got alot left in the can
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Posted: 6/4/2002 9:55:00 PM EDT
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Here is another tidbit from the IACP website:
"Manufacture and sale of assault weapons to the general public should be prohibited." "None of these recommendations are made or intended to abridge any right, prohibit, or prevent the lawful purchase of legal firearms by citizens for sporting or valid home or business defense purposes." Fuck Break-Free all to hell. You can try these email addresses for Break-Free: [email protected] [email protected] |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 10:06:34 PM EDT
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This irks me, because unlike giving money to a bunch of windbags, for example the Brady Bunch or Million Mommies, this LEO group is made-up of the actual cops that have said in the past that they are willing and able to confiscate firearms given the proper authority. Politics and talk are one thing. Giving to a bunch of cops that are chomping at the bit to start a gun-grab is something much worse. This is also why I won't join the NRA since several times I've heard the state NRA praise the IACP (and speak-out against concealed carry because of complaints from cops).z
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Posted: 6/4/2002 10:27:39 PM EDT
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There you people go cop bashing again.
Keeping military style firearms out the hands of ungrateful civilians is crucial in making sure cops get home safely to their families at night. |
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Posted: 6/4/2002 11:13:40 PM EDT
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Imbroglio, sometimes I wonder if you work for the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED, the state police), because sometimes, you sound just like all of the guys I know that work there. I've heard them say the same thing about not requiring a signature to buy ammo, allowing concealed carry, repealing the limit of one pistol per month, and allowing class III. You either wear a badge or listen closely to those that do, because most of your posts are just too close to what I've heard cops say.z
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Posted: 6/4/2002 11:30:01 PM EDT
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I stopped using Break Free a while back just keep from stinking up the house. The wife would complain about the stink and claim it was making her light-headed, etc.. So I switched to G96, and the complaining has stopped, so has the stink.
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Posted: 6/5/2002 12:15:12 AM EDT
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[email protected]
Steve Croskrey To : OHC Nolastname Subject : Out of Office AutoReply: Date : Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:04:25 -0400 I am out of office. It seems Steve has no comment. |
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Posted: 6/5/2002 10:07:24 AM EDT
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Hmm, the IACP blurb doesn't seem to be on their site anymore. The "About Us" tab now brings up a mostly blank page (or an "Access Forbidden" message, depending on which browser you have).
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Posted: 6/5/2002 10:55:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: It appears they took the page down. I just tried to bring it up and it comes up blank. Go to the home page, type 'iacp' (without quotes) in the search page...you'll get links to the iacp statements. Screw b'free & the horse they rode in on. Zoom, not a flame, but the big downside to sarcasm is that it's wasted on the ignorant.[:D] -hanko |
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Posted: 6/5/2002 12:01:11 PM EDT
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I just checked their website. I had no problem accessing it. No changes.
-legrue |
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Posted: 6/5/2002 12:18:03 PM EDT
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I have one 4oz bottle of Break-Free. The ONLY thing I use it for is to clean the gas tube in my AR. Obviously, when it's gone, I won't be buying any more. As I've stated before, I lubricate my weapons with TW25B. A suggestion/endorsement for another CLEANING product would be appreciated. I currently CLEAN with a product called InSight, it's pretty decent, I got a bunch for free, but when it's gone I'll be looking to try another CLEANING product.
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Posted: 6/5/2002 1:02:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Their primary customers are in fact government and Law enforcement agencies. Supporting the IACP is simply good business sense. Correct. With Royco winning most of the DOD contracts, this is just political posturing by Break-Free to win more LE contracts. When you can get surplus Royco CLP for about $20.00 a gallon I cant imaging why anyone would buy Breek-Free CLP anyway. |
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Posted: 6/5/2002 1:16:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Imbroglio, sometimes I wonder if you work for the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED, the state police), because sometimes, you sound just like all of the guys I know that work there. I've heard them say the same thing about not requiring a signature to buy ammo, allowing concealed carry, repealing the limit of one pistol per month, and allowing class III. [red]You either wear a badge or listen closely to those that do, because most of your posts are just too close to what I've heard cops say.z[/red] He does that, sounds like the govt spokesmodel, on purpose to point out how ridiculous the govt. often is. He's really an ironic-savant sometimes. ******************************************* I think you guys may be getting to worked up. The Break-Free guys sell products marketed to military and police organiztions. Who has the final say so on police purchases????? Police Chiefs. It's probably a little you scratch my ******, I'll scratch yours. Sure IACP, we'll be a sponsor of your organization, remember buy Break-Free, we sponsor you......... I don't think a maker of a product for use on military style weapons really wants to ban military style weapons. |
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