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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:24:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 9:27:41 PM EST by lippo]
Saw this on ebay:


M4 Resin Replica Movie Prop. Very nicely handmade from resin. This replica has no moving or removeable parts. It can't be made to fire any type of projectile. Great for movies, stage plays, reenactors, training, and display. It weighs 5 1/2 Pounds. ORANGE PLUG INSTALLED. REPLICA FIREARMS CAN'T BE SHIPPED TO CALIFORNIA, CONNECTICUT, MASSACHUSETTS, NEW YORK, KANSAS, WISCONSIN, OR ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE PROHIBITED.



You all can't even have "FAKE" firearms shipped to your state? Whoa!

Now that's a bunch of

What will these politicians think of next!



Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:29:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 9:44:19 PM EST by warlord]
I've got a fake UZI, 1911 prior to the law being passed. But you can have air/CO2 powered pellet guns, though.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:31:27 PM EST
caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/dwc.htm

Imitation Firearms

417.2. (a) Any person who, for commercial purposes, purchases, sells, manufactures, ships, transports, distributes, or receives, by mail order or in any other manner, an imitation firearm except as permitted by this section shall be liable for a civil fine in an action brought by the city attorney of the city or the district attorney of the county of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for each violation.
(b) The manufacture, purchase, sale, shipping, transport, distribution, or receipt, by mail or in any other manner, of imitation firearms is permitted if the device is manufactured, purchased, sold, shipped, transported, distributed, or received for any of the following purposes:
(1) Solely for export in interstate or foreign commerce.
(2) Solely for lawful use in theatrical productions, including motion picture, television, and stage productions.
(3) For use in a certified or regulated athletic event or competition.
(4) For use in military or civil defense activities.
(5) For public displays authorized by public or private schools.
(c) As used in this section, "imitation firearm" means a replica of a firearm that is so substantially similar in physical properties to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to conclude that the replica is a firearm.
(d) As used in this section, "imitation firearm" does not include any of the following:
(1) A nonfiring collector's replica of an antique firearm that was designed prior to 1898, is historically significant, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case.
(2) A nonfiring collector's replica of a firearm that was designed after 1898, is historically significant, was issued as a commemorative by a nonprofit organization, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case.
(3) A device, as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
(4) An imitation firearm where the coloration of the entire exterior surface of the device is bright orange or bright green, either singly or in combination.
(5) An instrument that expels a projectile, such as a BB or pellet, not exceeding 6mm caliber, through the force of air pressure, gas pressure, or spring action, or a spot marker gun.

417.4. Every person who, except in self-defense, draws or exhibits an imitation firearm in a threatening manner against another in such a way as to cause a reasonable person apprehension or fear of bodily harm is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a term of not less than 30 days. For purposes of this section, an imitation firearm means a replica of a firearm that is so substantially similar in physical properties to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to conclude that the replica is a firearm.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:36:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/dwc.htm

Imitation Firearms

417.2. (a) Any person who, for commercial purposes, purchases, sells, manufactures, ships, transports, distributes, or receives, by mail order or in any other manner, an imitation firearm except as permitted by this section shall be liable for a civil fine in an action brought by the city attorney of the city or the district attorney of the county of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for each violation.
(b) The manufacture, purchase, sale, shipping, transport, distribution, or receipt, by mail or in any other manner, of imitation firearms is permitted if the device is manufactured, purchased, sold, shipped, transported, distributed, or received for any of the following purposes:
(1) Solely for export in interstate or foreign commerce.
(2) Solely for lawful use in theatrical productions, including motion picture, television, and stage productions.
(3) For use in a certified or regulated athletic event or competition.
(4) For use in military or civil defense activities.
(5) For public displays authorized by public or private schools.
(c) As used in this section, "imitation firearm" means a replica of a firearm that is so substantially similar in physical properties to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to conclude that the replica is a firearm.
(d) As used in this section, "imitation firearm" does not include any of the following:
(1) A nonfiring collector's replica of an antique firearm that was designed prior to 1898, is historically significant, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case.
(2) A nonfiring collector's replica of a firearm that was designed after 1898, is historically significant, was issued as a commemorative by a nonprofit organization, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case.
(3) A device, as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
(4) An imitation firearm where the coloration of the entire exterior surface of the device is bright orange or bright green, either singly or in combination.
(5) An instrument that expels a projectile, such as a BB or pellet, not exceeding 6mm caliber, through the force of air pressure, gas pressure, or spring action, or a spot marker gun.

417.4. Every person who, except in self-defense, draws or exhibits an imitation firearm in a threatening manner against another in such a way as to cause a reasonable person apprehension or fear of bodily harm is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a term of not less than 30 days. For purposes of this section, an imitation firearm means a replica of a firearm that is so substantially similar in physical properties to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to conclude that the replica is a firearm.



Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:36:39 PM EST
It sucks here, but I have a real good job. Can't leave yet.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:47:18 PM EST
Guess what else is banned here?
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:02:34 PM EST
granted this doesn't mean the law isn't there somewhere
but in my searches of NY code the only references to replica or imitation guns being illegal is if you use one to make someone think you have a real gun during the commission of a crime
seller's probably being overly cautious, like sportsmansguide not selling axes or knives to NY
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:14:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Guess what else is banned here?

With luck, Feinstein.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:52:48 PM EST
Help us!!!!!!Please!!!![/b]
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:15:04 PM EST
Yea Michigan is trying to follow suit. We have a California educated canuk for a governer.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:24:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By 3woodiii:
Yea Michigan is trying to follow suit. We have a California educated canuk for a governer.



get that f*cker out......don't let the state be a favorite of terrorists......Kaliban+gun control+assualt weapons +no weapons at all+helpless suckers=

........"It's like shooting fish in a BUCKET"
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:21:39 AM EST
I have no idea why we're on that list. We aren't a class III state, but aside from WIchita and few other towns the state laws are generally gun friendly. I'll have to look it up.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:23:45 AM EST
The seller's got his information wrong about America's Dairyland as well. We can have both the fake ones and the real ones.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:27:48 AM EST
OK. This section seems to be the culprit. But there are lots of exceptions.

K.S.A. 12-16,115. Imitation firearms; civil penalty for sale, manufacture or distribution. (a) Any person who sells, manufactures or distributes an imitation firearm in violation of this section shall be liable for a civil penalty in an action brought by the city attorney of the city or the county or district attorney of the county of not more than $10,000 for each violation. Penalties recovered pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the general fund of the city or county.

(b) The sale, manufacture or distribution of imitation firearms shall be permissible if the imitation firearm is sold, manufactured or distributed:

(1) Solely for export in interstate or foreign commerce;

(2) solely for lawful use in theatrical productions, including motion picture, television and stage productions;

(3) for use in a certified or regulated athletic event or competition;

(4) for use in military or civil defense activities; or

(5) for public displays authorized by public or private schools.

(c) As used in this section, the term "imitation firearm" means a replica of a firearm which is so substantially similar in physical properties to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to conclude that the replica is a firearm. The term "imitation firearm" does not include: (1) A nonfiring collector's replica of an antique firearm which was designed prior to 1898, is historically significant, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case; (2) a nonfiring collector's replica of a firearm which was designed after 1898, is historically significant, was issued as a commemorative by a nonprofit organization and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case; or (3) a pneumatic, spring, spring-air or compressed-gas powered nonpowder gun that is commonly called an air gun and is designed to discharge BB's, pellets or paint balls.

History: L. 1990, ch. 96, § 1;



Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:34:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:
Saw this on ebay:


M4 Resin Replica Movie Prop. Very nicely handmade from resin. This replica has no moving or removeable parts. It can't be made to fire any type of projectile. Great for movies, stage plays, reenactors, training, and display. It weighs 5 1/2 Pounds. ORANGE PLUG INSTALLED. REPLICA FIREARMS CAN'T BE SHIPPED TO CALIFORNIA, CONNECTICUT, MASSACHUSETTS, NEW YORK, KANSAS, WISCONSIN, OR ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE PROHIBITED.



You all can't even have "FAKE" firearms shipped to your state? Whoa!

Now that's a bunch of

What will these politicians think of next!






Um I don't know who the seller is, but the claim that you can't ship a replica firearm to Wisconsin is
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:38:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Miranthis:
I have no idea why we're on that list. We aren't a class III state, but aside from WIchita and few other towns the state laws are generally gun friendly. I'll have to look it up.



+1
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:40:37 AM EST
Thank the NRA. America is an interesting place. Due to nanny state regulation, and interest group power, strange conflicts occur. For example, I can posess and shoot a semi auto AKM but if I posessed a single fire cracker, I have broken criminal law.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:41:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Guess what else is banned here?



poo on a stick?
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:42:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By PhatForrest:
It sucks here, but I have a real good job. Can't leave yet.



+1
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:42:36 AM EST
We woundn't want anyone poking out their eye now would we?
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:43:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Thank the NRA. America is an interesting place. Due to nanny state regulation, and interest group power, strange conflicts occur. For example, I can posess and shoot a semi auto AKM but if I posessed a single fire cracker, I have broken criminal law.



Oh yeah?

Well I can buy a Full Auto AK, but can't buy a semi auto AKM.

Beat that.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:43:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 4:44:30 AM EST by California_Kid]
Shit. Well, paint it orange and ship it here.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:44:30 AM EST
It is categorically untrue that such a product cannot be shipped or otherwise sold in CT. Perfectly legal. If it cannot be made to fire, it is 100% legal.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:49:12 AM EST
Yep... you might scare other sheeple with a fake gun...

I thought about trying to find a resin/replica M1 for a wall hanger/decoration... but damn, they are pretty expensive!!
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:56:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:22:31 AM EST

caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/dwc.htm

Imitation Firearms

417.2. (a) Any person who, for commercial purposes, purchases, sells, manufactures, ships, transports, distributes, or receives, by mail order or in any other manner, an imitation firearm except as permitted by this section shall be liable for a civil fine in an action brought by the city attorney of the city or the district attorney of the county of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for each violation



Wouldn't/shouldn't that be considered an accessive fine for something so fucking trivial as something that "looks" like a firearm and is not. Thats got to be increadibly fucking uncnstitutional. 10k fine for a fucking fake, none functional, look a like non firearm. WTF!
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 10:27:16 AM EST

Nothing illegal about owning them here in Massachusetts. They're just paranoid and/or covering their asses.

It's like AIM Surplus won't ship C&R firearms to C&R holders here even though there's nothing illegal about it.

Same with pre-94 large capacity magazines. Nothing illegal about those here either (as long as you have the right permit), but a lot of places wouldn't ship here.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 10:28:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:
Saw this on ebay:


M4 Resin Replica Movie Prop. Very nicely handmade from resin. This replica has no moving or removeable parts. It can't be made to fire any type of projectile. Great for movies, stage plays, reenactors, training, and display. It weighs 5 1/2 Pounds. ORANGE PLUG INSTALLED. REPLICA FIREARMS CAN'T BE SHIPPED TO CALIFORNIA, CONNECTICUT, MASSACHUSETTS, NEW YORK, KANSAS, WISCONSIN, OR ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE PROHIBITED.



You all can't even have "FAKE" firearms shipped to your state? Whoa!

Now that's a bunch of


What will these politicians think of next!






Not unless the muzzle is painted red...

A *REAL* rifle would not be a problem, though, so long as it was either semi-auto or NFA transferrable...
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:11:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:17:53 AM EST







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