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Posted: 8/12/2011 7:04:18 PM EDT
Waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Saw a thread about it the other day and decided to give it a read. What's the GD take?
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:09:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Saw a thread about it the other day and decided to give it a read. What's the GD take?


Tag. Always been curious.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:12:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Timco:
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Saw a thread about it the other day and decided to give it a read. What's the GD take?


Tag. Always been curious.


Whats sad is the county I live in has 1,339,532 residents. Has 54 libraries. Only 2 carry the book at one copy a piece and they are out and reserved for months. You would figure they would get a few more copies.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:16:36 PM EDT
I liked it. I couldn't put it down. I think I read it in one day, most of it in one sitting. That was in 1998 or 1999, I think. I picked it up once or twice to look up something I had read in the book but it's been sitting largely untouched on my shelf for a long time. I may pick it up and read it in the near future. Apparently it has increased in value considerably since I bought it (I think I paid somewhere around $35 for it).
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:16:42 PM EDT
Read it about a year ago.. good but long read...
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:19:43 PM EDT
I just finished it for the second time.

It is my all time favorite book and should be required reading for every gun owner in this country.

I'm curious where you found a copy to buy. Ebay?

I wouldn't mind having another copy for a loaner.

Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:20:13 PM EDT
I couldn't put it down either, long though
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:21:03 PM EDT
How much did you have to pay for it? Hardback or softcover?
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:23:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2011 7:24:26 PM EDT by 1387Delta]
I bought it off of that thread and it is back ordered pending...


Status - Pending: Your order is in process, and items are currently being gathered.


I'm hoping I didn't get ripped off for $30.76
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:23:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2011 7:26:24 PM EDT by FGracing]
Originally Posted By malada:
I just finished it for the second time.

It is my all time favorite book and should be required reading for every gun owner in this country.

I'm curious where you found a copy to buy. Ebay?



Of all places the bastion of liberalism, Craigslist.


ETA softcover, well worn.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:28:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2011 7:33:44 PM EDT by lufthansa]
I'm going to be the first dissenter in this thread.

If you are looking for what would generally be considered "well-written" fiction, I would look elsewhere. The book is a little under the length of Middlemarch, and might become taxing to read past pages 400-500.

Notwithstanding that, I thought it was good mindless entertainment. I enjoyed the stories about the American "gun culture" that it recalled. I did not know about many of the historical episodes that the book described. I was able to read it in about 3-4 days, in a situation where I had no alternative entertainment. Looking back, however, I'm not sure how accurate Ross' descriptions of the episodes was, and I wonder if I got a totally slanted perspective on them from having read about them in the book. A big example of can be seen in Ross' side-story about why the FBI agents in Miami had sparse backup (the waitress/restaurant bit).
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:31:47 PM EDT
I enjoyed it.

I mean, if you're looking for "literature," look elsewhere. It was entertaining, though.

And, for such a large book, I found it to be a pretty quick read.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:34:00 PM EDT
I ordered a hard back copy from books a million in the 90s after an army buddy suggested I give it a read. I enjoyed the book and apparently I wasn't put on any watch lists as all my NFA stuff has gone through without a hitch.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:34:26 PM EDT
It was a quick read for me. But I always get through anything firearms related pretty fast. I enjoyed it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:34:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Originally Posted By malada:
I just finished it for the second time.

It is my all time favorite book and should be required reading for every gun owner in this country.

I'm curious where you found a copy to buy. Ebay?



Of all places the bastion of liberalism, Craigslist.


ETA softcover, well worn.


I didn't realize it was every published in softcover. Are you sure it is the one by John Ross?



Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:36:34 PM EDT
You'll like it because it has content related to your interests.

I liked it, but I thought it had a lot of soapbox "if I was (that guy), I would" kind of dialog that I found unnecessary.

The story was good enough without it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:36:44 PM EDT
If I had kids this would be the book I would read to them at bedtime.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:37:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
I liked it. I couldn't put it down. I think I read it in one day, most of it in one sitting. That was in 1998 or 1999, I think. I picked it up once or twice to look up something I had read in the book but it's been sitting largely untouched on my shelf for a long time. I may pick it up and read it in the near future. Apparently it has increased in value considerably since I bought it (I think I paid somewhere around $35 for it).


It's like 10,000 pages...
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:38:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By lufthansa:
I'm going to be the first dissenter in this thread.

If you are looking for what would generally be considered "well-written" fiction, I would look elsewhere. The book is a little under the length of Middlemarch, and might become taxing to read past pages 400-500.

Notwithstanding that, I thought it was good mindless entertainment. I enjoyed the stories about the American "gun culture" that it recalled. I did not know about many of the historical episodes that the book described. I was able to read it in about 3-4 days, in a situation where I had no alternative entertainment. Looking back, however, I'm not sure how accurate Ross' descriptions of the episodes was, and I wonder if I got a totally slanted perspective on them from having read about them in the book. A big example of can be seen in Ross' side-story about why the FBI agents in Miami had sparse backup (the waitress/restaurant bit).


Seems to me I've read the waitress thing a couple other places. Don't know if it's true or if the other sources used UC as their source material, though.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:39:04 PM EDT
Its on my Nook. Haven't finished it, about 1/3 way through. No hurry to pick up reading it again anytime soon.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:40:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By malada:
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Originally Posted By malada:
I just finished it for the second time.

It is my all time favorite book and should be required reading for every gun owner in this country.

I'm curious where you found a copy to buy. Ebay?



Of all places the bastion of liberalism, Craigslist.


ETA softcover, well worn.


I didn't realize it was every published in softcover. Are you sure it is the one by John Ross?





You might be right. Also picked up a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Atlas I know was a soft cover. Have to look back at emails.

Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:41:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Its on my Nook. Haven't finished it, about 1/3 way through. No hurry to pick up reading it again anytime soon.


Pick it up, it's about to get good
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:51:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By malada:
Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Its on my Nook. Haven't finished it, about 1/3 way through. No hurry to pick up reading it again anytime soon.


Pick it up, it's about to get good

Yeah, once Henry becomes around 15...the pages start turning and turning...you can't get enough. Up until then, it was good background, but damn, it was kinda hard to get through most of it except during the Warsaw rebellion.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:51:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MoonDancer:
Originally Posted By lufthansa:
I'm going to be the first dissenter in this thread.

If you are looking for what would generally be considered "well-written" fiction, I would look elsewhere. The book is a little under the length of Middlemarch, and might become taxing to read past pages 400-500.

Notwithstanding that, I thought it was good mindless entertainment. I enjoyed the stories about the American "gun culture" that it recalled. I did not know about many of the historical episodes that the book described. I was able to read it in about 3-4 days, in a situation where I had no alternative entertainment. Looking back, however, I'm not sure how accurate Ross' descriptions of the episodes was, and I wonder if I got a totally slanted perspective on them from having read about them in the book. A big example of can be seen in Ross' side-story about why the FBI agents in Miami had sparse backup (the waitress/restaurant bit).


Seems to me I've read the waitress thing a couple other places. Don't know if it's true or if the other sources used UC as their source material, though.


I understand that Mr. Ross stood to seriously get his "shit slapped" if he made the story up, and that lends a kind of credence to what he described. This book came out in 1997, IIRC, and I have no doubt that some gov-mint type with too much time on his hands would have messed him up about the story, if it was at all possible. It is just that the book has such a .gov employees=upper middle class welfare recipients/affirmative action candidates feel about it that I'm not sure that I can readily believe it (and I don't mind that kind of thing, either).

Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:56:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2011 7:57:20 PM EDT by bigstick61]
Originally Posted By GeorgeInNePa:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
I liked it. I couldn't put it down. I think I read it in one day, most of it in one sitting. That was in 1998 or 1999, I think. I picked it up once or twice to look up something I had read in the book but it's been sitting largely untouched on my shelf for a long time. I may pick it up and read it in the near future. Apparently it has increased in value considerably since I bought it (I think I paid somewhere around $35 for it).


It's like 10,000 pages...


I can absorb huge volumes in a fairly short period of time. And if I just need certain types of information from it, I can skim a book I've never read and glean everything I need from the pages in less than a half-hour. I've read many hundreds of books already. It's one of my favourite pastimes. If I'm reading a book I know I will throroughly enjoy I actually pace myself for fear of going through it too quickly; I want to savour it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:56:34 PM EDT
I liked it. Thought it was a decent read. I wish I hadn't given away my copy to some liberal.
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 7:59:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2011 8:01:02 PM EDT by StretchMaK]
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Originally Posted By Timco:
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Saw a thread about it the other day and decided to give it a read. What's the GD take?


Tag. Always been curious.


Whats sad is the county I live in has 1,339,532 residents. Has 54 libraries. Only 2 carry the book at one copy a piece and they are out and reserved for months. You would figure they would get a few more copies.



nvm

Link Posted: 8/12/2011 8:08:44 PM EDT
All gun owners should read it once. Just like everyone should watch Heat at least once, whether they want to or not.

It's not a particularly good book. It's a slightly better written Patriots, but done from a completely opposite POV. And by that I mean it's highly technical gun nut masturbatory fiction, except the protagonist doesn't dedicate his bowel movements to the glory of God, instead he has lots of sex with bisexual prostitutes, in between exacting really enjoyable-to-read violence on government agents. He's still an extremely handsome, extremely wealthy, extremely skilled version of the author though. Imagine if Larry Vickers were 20 years younger, looked like Spartacus, and won the lottery. Yes, the main character wins the lottery. So he can buy lots of NFA toys right before they become illegal. I imagine the only reason it was written this was was because having the king of Latvia die and leave Henry Bowman his fortune was just too realistic.

That said, it's an extremely cathartic book to read, especially if you're troubled with the actions of today's feds. In between sections copypasta'd right from Ross's reloading manual, the heterosexual and homosexual rape scenes (Ross sure has a thing for rape scenes, now that I think about it), and the family trees of everyone Henry Bowman has ever looked at, you'll find yourself cheering Bowman on and wishing people like that actually existed.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 10:09:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JaredGrey:
... you'll find yourself cheering Bowman on and wishing people like that actually existed.
Well now, here's the problem that I have with that sentiment.

Sure, I cheered Bowman on... because he was perfect. He was a fantasy character who didn't make mistakes.

He never missed what he was aiming at, and he never killed someone who didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately, in the real world, people are rarely that precise. Fallibility is a basic human trait.

Not trying to be a wet blanket. Just something I've thought about from time to time.

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 10:21:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By runcible:

Originally Posted By JaredGrey:
... you'll find yourself cheering Bowman on and wishing people like that actually existed.
Well now, here's the problem that I have with that sentiment.

Sure, I cheered Bowman on... because he was perfect. He was a fantasy character who didn't make mistakes.

He never missed what he was aiming at, and he never killed someone who didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately, in the real world, people are rarely that precise. Fallibility is a basic human trait.

Not trying to be a wet blanket. Just something I've thought about from time to time.



Police never ever miss, even when they do.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 10:33:09 AM EDT
Could have left out all of the ghey rape.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:02:37 AM EDT
Who is Henry Bowman?
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:07:33 AM EDT
I read it once through in a couple of days when I first got it. Then bits and pieces off and on.

Just sold it on Amazon for $93.00 a month or so ago.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:10:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2011 11:26:25 AM EDT by Aimless]
Please do not post links, or otherwise provide links, where members can obtain copyrighted works in violation of the copyright
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:17:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2011 11:18:11 AM EDT by runcible]

Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
<SNIP>

And here comes the lock...

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:19:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:


Poof!
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:26:37 AM EDT
It's a long-winded Harlequin Romance for gun nuts. Or maybe Hustler for gun guys...or maybe Archie comics...

It's poorly written, the characters are not so much characters but caricatures. From the "Golden Boy", Henry Bowman, the geologist gun dealer who's the world's best shot, is loaded with cash, has an ex-stripper girlfriend and her girlfriend (Oh boy...threesomes!!!), is a super-human pilot, and an expert on everything who's rarely wrong, never misses a shot, and is the bestest machinist in the world in his spare time (yeah, look around you at the next gun show and see how many guys like that you see..) to the "Warsaw Uprising" participant who not only survived, but lo-and behold is a friend of Bowman, to the myriad of experts who help Henry in his scheme to rid our country of those who might snatch guns....one expects the villains to be drawn with a very broad brush, but even the main characters are just ridiculous.

The book is long, the technical stuff on guns is pretty cool, but the story is a fanboi gun nut porno. It's not realistic in the least, and not very well written.

Sure Clancy's Jack Ryan and Mr. Clark were writ larger than life, but Bowman's characters seem like comic book characters next to them.
I got the point of the book. I got the message Ross was sending. The book just honestly wasn't that good. I wanted it to be, as I'd heard from all my friends/shooting buddies who read it that it was a "must read", and I'm glad I read it, but it still doesn't make it a good book.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:28:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 45ColtBisley:
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:


Poof!
We may have dodged the bullet on that one.

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:32:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ThePitbullofLove:
It's a long-winded Harlequin Romance for gun nuts. Or maybe Hustler for gun guys...or maybe Archie comics...

It's poorly written, the characters are not so much characters but caricatures. From the "Golden Boy", Henry Bowman, the geologist gun dealer who's the world's best shot, is loaded with cash, has an ex-stripper girlfriend and her girlfriend (Oh boy...threesomes!!!), is a super-human pilot, and an expert on everything who's rarely wrong, never misses a shot, and is the bestest machinist in the world in his spare time (yeah, look around you at the next gun show and see how many guys like that you see..) to the "Warsaw Uprising" participant who not only survived, but lo-and behold is a friend of Bowman, to the myriad of experts who help Henry in his scheme to rid our country of those who might snatch guns....one expects the villains to be drawn with a very broad brush, but even the main characters are just ridiculous.

The book is long, the technical stuff on guns is pretty cool, but the story is a fanboi gun nut porno. It's not realistic in the least, and not very well written.

Sure Clancy's Jack Ryan and Mr. Clark were writ larger than life, but Bowman's characters seem like comic book characters next to them.
I got the point of the book. I got the message Ross was sending. The book just honestly wasn't that good. I wanted it to be, as I'd heard from all my friends/shooting buddies who read it that it was a "must read", and I'm glad I read it, but it still doesn't make it a good book.

that about sums it up and i am only halfway thru..its been a slog for me.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 11:54:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Please do not post links, or otherwise provide links, where members can obtain copyrighted works in violation of the copyright


OOPS!
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 12:12:12 PM EDT
I tried, I really did. I thought it was unreadable. Gave it to a friend who thought it was great.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 12:17:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FGracing:
Originally Posted By malada:
I just finished it for the second time.

It is my all time favorite book and should be required reading for every gun owner in this country.

I'm curious where you found a copy to buy. Ebay?



Of all places the bastion of liberalism, Craigslist.


ETA softcover, well worn.



You bought it off of Craigslist and are having it shipped???



Link Posted: 8/14/2011 1:40:22 PM EDT
ost
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:13:51 PM EDT
I thought it sucked for the most part. I wouldn't have made it past 50 pages if it wasn't so highly recommended. It all pulled together for a great ending, but most of the book was meh. You gotta read it, but it's not exactly a literary classic.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:18:17 PM EDT
I raffed at the agent named Gonorrhea.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:21:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2011 2:32:03 PM EDT by Eroc]
http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Unintended-Consequences/John-Ross/9781888118049?id=5133603405626

There's only 11 copies left according to the site, I got mine last week

Never mind
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:23:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Eroc:
http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Unintended-Consequences/John-Ross/9781888118049?id=5133603405626

There's only 11 copies left according to the site, I got mine last week


Read it again.

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:40:40 PM EDT
I thought you could buy copies from Ross's dotcom.

I suppose I may be wrong. But, that's the impression I got when I visited the site.

FWIW, it did become tedious at times. But, I enjoyed it nonetheless. YMMV. However, I felt the premise is, perhaps, even more pertinent today (and I just finished it for the 2nd time, yesterday, as a matter of fact).
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:40:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ThePitbullofLove:
It's a long-winded Harlequin Romance for gun nuts. Or maybe Hustler for gun guys...or maybe Archie comics...

It's poorly written, the characters are not so much characters but caricatures. From the "Golden Boy", Henry Bowman, the geologist gun dealer who's the world's best shot, is loaded with cash, has an ex-stripper girlfriend and her girlfriend (Oh boy...threesomes!!!), is a super-human pilot, and an expert on everything who's rarely wrong, never misses a shot, and is the bestest machinist in the world in his spare time (yeah, look around you at the next gun show and see how many guys like that you see..) to the "Warsaw Uprising" participant who not only survived, but lo-and behold is a friend of Bowman, to the myriad of experts who help Henry in his scheme to rid our country of those who might snatch guns....one expects the villains to be drawn with a very broad brush, but even the main characters are just ridiculous.

The book is long, the technical stuff on guns is pretty cool, but the story is a fanboi gun nut porno. It's not realistic in the least, and not very well written.

Sure Clancy's Jack Ryan and Mr. Clark were writ larger than life, but Bowman's characters seem like comic book characters next to them.
I got the point of the book. I got the message Ross was sending. The book just honestly wasn't that good. I wanted it to be, as I'd heard from all my friends/shooting buddies who read it that it was a "must read", and I'm glad I read it, but it still doesn't make it a good book.


Well put. Saves me a shitload of typing.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:44:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ThePitbullofLove:
It's a long-winded Harlequin Romance for gun nuts. Or maybe Hustler for gun guys...or maybe Archie comics...

It's poorly written, the characters are not so much characters but caricatures...
<Snip>
... and I'm glad I read it, but it still doesn't make it a good book.


Pretty much agree on that.

I did enjoy the historical fiction about the gun culture, though. I never even knew about the Battle of Athens.


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Link Posted: 8/14/2011 2:44:40 PM EDT
it appears the authors website has his blag where he is a obamay supporter
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