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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:40:05 PM EDT
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Advice.
How old? Like, pre '64 old? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:42:23 PM EDT
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Advice. How old? Like, pre '64 old? This. If it's pre-64 don't fuck with it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:44:50 PM EDT
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You can shorten the barrel yourself. However, getting a decent crown on what's left is vital to accuracy, and if you don't KNOW that you can do this with what tools you have, then no, you shouldn't attempt it.
It also sounds like you need a new firing pin spring. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:49:13 PM EDT
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Advice. How old? Like, pre '64 old? This. If it's pre-64 don't fuck with it. !! If its pre 64 leave it alone! |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:49:56 PM EDT
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How do I know if it is pre 64?
Its already been fucked with anyway. Its been rechambered 222 to 223. Is this a common practice? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:50:17 PM EDT
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I have hacksaw cut rifle and shotgun barrels before and got good results. Just file it flat as you can after and use a round read screw with some lapping compound on it. I did a '96 Swede and it would group 5 shots into 1-1/2" with a '3' on the bbl wear disk.
Light strikes, detail strip/clean the bolt, firing pin and spring. Guessing debris or broken spring. Also whoever recut your chamber may have went a bit too far, check headspace. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:52:09 PM EDT
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Advice. How old? Like, pre '64 old? This. If it's pre-64 don't fuck with it. It's already been fucked with. Whoever rechambered it from .222 paid good money to knock 15% off the value of the gun. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:53:17 PM EDT
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How do I know if it is pre 64? Its already been fucked with anyway. Its been rechambered 222 to 223. Is this a common practice? Post the first few digits of the SN. Someone will tell you. Or just google it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:54:04 PM EDT
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Guys, hold on - if it was originally chambered in .222 Remington, it can't be a pre-'64, because Winchester didn't chamber the .222 until after '64.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:55:11 PM EDT
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Pics
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:56:42 PM EDT
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Before worrying about the main spring, clean the bolt assembly in case it's gunked up with WD-40 or some other oil.
If you post a serial number (or the first 3 or 4), we can tell you what year the gun was made. An untouched pre-64 control round feed gun is valuable, one that has been rechambered and over stamped and maybe showing hard use really can't be hurt much by cutting the barrel and shooting hell out of the gun. The barrel could be cut down, but you need to spend some money to buy a crowning tool, or take the gun to a gunsmith that can crown in his lathe. The second option probably won't cost as much as the first and will give a better result if the gunsmith is worth a hoot. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:19:01 PM EDT
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If you want to restore it, you might find an original barrel for it at gunpartscorp.com. Failing that I'd consider a Hart, Douglas or even a Shillen barrel installed by a competent gunsmith and in a 1 in 10 twist, to make it a more versatile rifle able to stabilize 55 to 60gr bullets.
I have 2 rifles in .222 Remington, with 1 in 12 twist barrels and they're lacking in accuracy with 55gr or heavier bullets, but they really shine with 40 to 50gr ammo/ handloads. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:35:01 PM EDT
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I've got a better idea.
Trade the Model 70 to one of the many people who APPRECIATES A FINE FIREARM. If you think it's a good idea to turn a Model 70 into a truck gun and shorten the barerl, then in my opinion, that isn't you.  Trade it for something cheap that you can use as a truck gun, like a Ranch Rifle or something. Model 70s are FINE bolt action rifles. They deserve better than to be hacksawed and stuffed in a truck.  Somebody will treat it better than you intend to. So trade it for something cheap and butcher that instead. PLEASE. CJ |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:40:56 PM EDT
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If it's a post, replace all the springs, the ejector, and the extractor. If it's a pre'64, sell it to me, it will have a good home.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:21:05 PM EDT
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Pre-64 Winchester Model 70 had a claw extractor like the old Mauser 98. The post-64 Model 70's has a newer bolt that looks like the Rem 700 bolt. So, which is yours?
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:34:46 AM EDT
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Serial number is over 1 million. I believe this is post.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:41:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Have headspace checked while you are at it. The M70 has a very positive striker spring. Unless someone cut a bunch of coils off of it, it is more than likely fine. If the headspace is long, you could be relying on the extractor for headspace. Cheap insurance. It takes 2 minutes to check the box that it is fine, especially when it is a rechamber job done by someone else. It was originally a .222 Rem and was rechambered .223 Rem. Also, I have had a light primer strikes. The rounds don't go off if I simply lift the bolt to reset the hammer then lower it. However, if I remove the round and reload it, then it will fire. Any ideas on this? |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:46:35 AM EDT
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That puts the date at 1970 to 1971. In 1969 the G prefix on the serial number starts at G941900.
There's not a thing wrong with a push feed gun, by the way. If the chamber is good to go, shoot the crap out of the gun until it needs a new barrel. Running a .223 Rem reamer into a .222 Rem chamber ain't the best way to proceed unless the barrel was also set back a thread or two. I wouldn't mind owning a Featherweight chambered for .222 Rem or .223 Rem. That would make a nice carry gun. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:51:23 AM EDT
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The pre '64 Winchester is a fine rifle, but it's got an unwarranted cult following ah la the 1903 that only an editor of the American Rifleman could justify.
They made hundreds of thousands. Yours is no longer stock. Do what you want... |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:52:15 AM EDT
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Some pics of the fired brass wouldn't hurt.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 5:27:30 AM EDT
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The pre '64 Winchester is a fine rifle, but it's got an unwarranted cult following ah la the 1903 that only an editor of the American Rifleman could justify. They made hundreds of thousands. Yours is no longer stock. Do what you want... This ... Like the mosin retards ...(19 million guns made and 89$ a piece and these dipshits act like it's the only remaining WWII firearm) and i have cut down 3 rifles with a hacksaw ... made the crown with a mouse ball and valve lapping compound ... and all three have shot moa at 100 yards ... |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 7:32:20 AM EDT
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Advice. How old? Like, pre '64 old? Not entirely sure...but I don't think Winchester chambered the Model 70 for .222Rem. in pre-64 rifles. I think it was post-64. I think in pre-64 they only chambered the varmint version for .22Hornet and 22 Swift. Post 64 saw .225Win., .222Rem. and eventually .223Rem. I don't think I would bother lopping off any barrel length and it most likely is a 1-14 twist barrel. Maybe needs a new firing pin spring for reliable ignition, or the bolt body cleaned out (grease/dirt?). I suppose if headspace was set too long when it was re-chambered to .223Rem., that might account for ignition difficulties. dvo |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 7:35:00 AM EDT
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PIX! Where are they?
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