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Posted: 8/18/2005 4:55:05 AM EDT

Jihadists Find Convenient Base in Bosnia
By Sherrie Gossett
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 17, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - Terrorists who previously targeted the U.S. are now in Bosnia, where they have access to a "one-stop shop" of jihad training camps, weapons and illegal Islamic "charities" -- all at the doorstep of Europe, terrorism experts said.

"[Convicted terrorist] Karim Said Atmani recently returned to Bosnia after being released early from French prison for 'good behavior,'" terrorism expert and author Evan Kohlmann said.

Atmani, a Moroccan, was linked to the "millennium bomb plot" and convicted by a French court of colluding with Osama bin Laden. He has been linked to the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), an organization responsible for airplane hijackings and subway bombings in France.

"This is very disturbing," said Kohlmann. "Atmani promised he would wage jihad until the end. That doesn't mean until a plea deal, or early release; it means until death or victory."

Also finding haven in Bosnia is Abu el Maali, who like Atmani, was a foreign national who fought in the Bosnia war. El Maali was later accused by French authorities of attempting to smuggle explosives in 1998 to an Egyptian terrorist group plotting to destroy U.S. military installations in Germany. He was also accused of leading terrorist cells in Bosnia, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"This activity is very significant," said Kohlmann. "Senior members of the former Muslim Brigade and their top commanders are still there, and they're still active."

The Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation (AHF), a charity that was later found by the U.S. Treasury to be underwriting terrorist operations including al Qaeda, shut its offices in Bosnia after the U.S. announcement but reopened under the name "Vazir." The new organization was registered as an "association for sport, culture and education."

In 2002, the U.S. Treasury Department reported that the Bosnia office of Al-Haramain was linked to Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya, an Egyptian terrorist group that was a signatory to bin Laden's Feb. 23, 1998, fatwa -- or religious edict -- against the United States.

Cybercast News Service viewed videotape shot by Kohlmann of activity at the former Sarajevo offices of Al-Haramain. "All they did was white-out the old sign," said Kohlmann.

Cybercast News Service has also obtained a video that terrorism analysts say depicts an active jihad training camp in Bosnia-Herzegovina, a region previously described by analysts as an ideal gateway for terror missions into Europe. See Video

The video, which is over four minutes in length, shows outdoor maneuvers, explosives training and training inside what appears to be a school gym. Exercises in hostage-taking are also shown......




I'm so glad Bill fixed Bosnia. Don't we all feel so much safer now?

Shok
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:57:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QShok:


(CNSNews.com) - Terrorists who previously targeted the U.S. are now in Bosnia, where they have access to a "one-stop shop" of ... weapons Shok



I thought US gun shows were the "weapons bazaars" for terrorists?

DiFido assured me this was true.

Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:23:33 AM EDT
Fixed Bosnia? what was there to fix? From day one in that conflict the US has been on the side of the Muslims. Why? Cause all the other islamic countries in the world put pressure on us to and we could give a crap about the fate of Serbian Christians, or Croats for that matter! I knew this way back in '99 when we bombed Kosovo what was going on but no one gave a shit. I remember in College foolish Americanskis putting up "Stop Rape camps" posters all over the place. It was all horse shit concocted and paid for with Saudi money so Muslims could setup an independant country in the balkans. Only now that the euro-trash are putting the Serb leaders on warcrimes trials is the truth about the war coming out ,13 years later when no one cares, basically the Muslims started it and started the first Ethnic cleansing. Wasnt really Clintons fault, the repubs did'nt have a clue either. Best thing to do is let the war flare up again . Maybe this time we'll be a little more politically aware that this is an extension of Universal Jihad and we'll side with the Christians this time, then again.......Serbs have no oil......................................
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:37:17 AM EDT
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Listen, we've got a serious fight on our hands and the sooner we stop blaming ourselves and get down to the business of fighting the better off we'll be. The Muslims are the perpetrators of the terrorist violence the world is plagued with, NOT we.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:40:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coolio:
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Wrong! President Bush is blameless on Iraq, that was Saddam's fault. Clinton is to blame for Bosnia because there's no need to put US forces under foreign command to take care of an EU problem.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:07:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By Coolio:
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Wrong! President Bush is blameless on Iraq, that was Saddam's fault. Clinton is to blame for Bosnia because there's no need to put US forces under foreign command to take care of an EU problem.



No, I'm correct.
The point that is being made is that because of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Bosnia and Iraq are now training grounds for terrorists. My point is that that reality has nothing whatsoever to do with either of these President's policies.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:19:31 AM EDT
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:24:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coolio: No, I'm correct. The point that is being made is that because of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Bosnia and Iraq are now training grounds for terrorists. My point is that that reality has nothing whatsoever to do with either of these President's policies.
No, you are not. Clinton let the problem fester and his actions in Bosnia made it worse. Bush went proactive and attacked them instead.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:32:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By Coolio:
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Wrong! President Bush is blameless on Iraq, that was Saddam's fault. Clinton is to blame for Bosnia because there's no need to put US forces under foreign command to take care of an EU problem.



No, I'm correct.
The point that is being made is that because of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Bosnia and Iraq are now training grounds for terrorists. My point is that that reality has nothing whatsoever to do with either of these President's policies.



Exactly............

Bosnia has always had Islamists. Milosovic was trying to eridacate them, WE saved them by bombing Serbia.

They are also smuggling heroin/and or poppies from the RECORD crops in Afghanistan......


The only war, is on the American people.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:31:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By Coolio: No, I'm correct. The point that is being made is that because of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Bosnia and Iraq are now training grounds for terrorists. My point is that that reality has nothing whatsoever to do with either of these President's policies.
No, you are not. Clinton let the problem fester and his actions in Bosnia made it worse. Bush went proactive and attacked them instead.



.............resulting in the mess we now find ourselves in........
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:38:10 PM EDT
I dont see how this is Clinton's fault.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:39:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:41:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
I spent a year there in 1996.
I always wondered why we were on the wrong side.



Wrong side? You think we should have been on the side of the guys shelling neighborhoods and pouring AAA fire into apartment buildings?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:44:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By Coolio:
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Wrong! President Bush is blameless on Iraq, that was Saddam's fault. Clinton is to blame for Bosnia because there's no need to put US forces under foreign command to take care of an EU problem.



No, I'm correct.



No, you're wrong. Bosnia is a training ground for terrorists. Iraq is a roach motel for terrorists.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:44:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By liberty86:

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By Coolio:
Okay, let's blame Clinton for Bosnia and Bush for Iraq.

Wrong! President Bush is blameless on Iraq, that was Saddam's fault. Clinton is to blame for Bosnia because there's no need to put US forces under foreign command to take care of an EU problem.



No, I'm correct.
The point that is being made is that because of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Bosnia and Iraq are now training grounds for terrorists. My point is that that reality has nothing whatsoever to do with either of these President's policies.



Exactly............



Exactly wrong, as usual.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:48:58 PM EDT
I hereby accept all blame and responsibility for all things bad in the world. Come get me.

That said... finger pointing after the fact is useless. If there's a terrorist training camp, it should be bombed out of existence. Who cares who's responsible for it being there?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:49:52 PM EDT
Wahington's words "avoid foreign entanglements" come to mind.

And I have to imagine nowadays, he would add "When they get bad enuf, nuke 'em out of existence."

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