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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:44:09 AM EDT
From the Blaze....apparently the blimp over DC is to detect Cruise missiles.
A blimp might not be the most stealthy of warfare equipment, but it is what’s coming to the nation’s capital to act as a defense watchdog.
The Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System (JLENS) developed by Raytheon will provide extensive, long-term surveillance in a trial where it will watch over the Washington, D.C. area. From Wired magazine, circa 2011 Come this fall, there will be a new and extremely powerful supercomputer in Afghanistan. But it won’t be in Dave Petraeus’ headquarters in Kabul or at some three-letter agency’s operations center in Kandahar. It’ll be floating 20,000 feet above the warzone, aboard a giant spy blimp that watches and listens to everything for miles around. 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:45:43 AM EDT
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If the back end gets over-inflated, will they change it to J-LO?
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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:46:10 AM EDT
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In before: "Oh the humanity!"
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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:47:37 AM EDT
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It may be Chris Christie flying in from NJ to hang with the savior...
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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:49:02 AM EDT
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Looks like a pregnant ABCCC.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:57:11 AM EDT
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Had one of these flying over my house a few days b4 I was scheduled to go to an event where former pres bush was in attendance. Figured it had something to do with it.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:02:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It may be Chris Christie flying in from NJ to hang with the savior... Oh the Huge Manatee!!!! |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:03:40 AM EDT
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Come on guys...........WHAT ROUND FOR A BLIMP!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:05:18 AM EDT
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Come on guys...........WHAT ROUND FOR A BLIMP!!!!!!!!! Helium or Hydrogen core concept makes a difference... Tracers either way... want to hear about the time I learned the Flammable and Inflammable meant the same thing.. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:06:52 AM EDT
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Good place for it. Enough hot-air in the area to keep it afloat no matter how many bullet holes it gets.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:27:26 AM EDT
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Helium or Hydrogen core concept makes a difference... Tracers either way... want to hear about the time I learned the Flammable and Inflammable meant the same thing.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Come on guys...........WHAT ROUND FOR A BLIMP!!!!!!!!! Helium or Hydrogen core concept makes a difference... Tracers either way... want to hear about the time I learned the Flammable and Inflammable meant the same thing.. Why yes, yes I would like to here this. 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:31:08 AM EDT
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Come on guys...........WHAT ROUND FOR A BLIMP!!!!!!!!! shoulda been first post gd is slipping |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:37:18 PM EDT
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Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn...
Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles..
Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:51:21 PM EDT
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To close for missiles...switching to guns!
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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:54:53 PM EDT
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''JLENS has four main components: aerostats, radars, mooring stations, and a processing station. The aerostats are the unmanned blimps. Each stretches 242 feet long and nearly as wide, and is tethered to mooring stations. The two aerostats work as a pair (called an orbit) and fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet. One aerostat carries a surveillance radar that offers over-the-horizon, 24-hour, 360-degree surveillance up to 340 miles in any direction. The second blimp houses a fire-control radar, which signals interceptors to an incoming threat and works with Patriot missiles and Standard Missile-6.''
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/planes-uavs/jlens-the-military-surveillance-airship-is-ready-for-action-15727775?click=pm_latest |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:59:57 PM EDT
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It may be Chris Christie flying in from NJ to hang with the savior... I laughed. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:02:46 PM EDT
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That's only going to tell us about how it got in. Not how we stopped it.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:07:10 PM EDT
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ceiling blimp is watching you masterbate
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:07:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:11:59 PM EDT
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That blimp needs to go on a diet.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:24:51 PM EDT
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shoulda been first post gd is slipping Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Come on guys...........WHAT ROUND FOR A BLIMP!!!!!!!!! shoulda been first post gd is slipping Standard Remington Drone Loads should work fine. If in doubt, you can use slugs or any caliber rifle bullet, 5.56 and on up. I personally use 308 rounds out of my M-14. Tracers are optional. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:36:23 PM EDT
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Ah, so that's why we have a helium shortage. Wonder how many of these they have to fill.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:38:36 PM EDT
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Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn...
Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles..
Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. Herp derp. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:39:21 PM EDT
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Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn...
Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles..
Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. Next you're going to tell us every military aircraft flying over is spying on you or otherwise part of a plot to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:41:09 PM EDT
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It may be Chris Christie flying in from NJ to hang with the savior... Now this is quality humor 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:29:15 PM EDT
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Herp derp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn...
Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles..
Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. Herp derp. Herp? Maybe...... I just find it amusing that folks got their panties in a wad over the NSA pulling data yet a persistent ISR platform over DC is just business as usual. I also truly found it amusing that the reason given was "defense against cruise missiles".  Let's examine that...DC is about 100 miles from the coast. So exactly what type of cruise missiles is this blimp defending against? Land based? Hmmm....no, I'd have to say sea based, sub launched. If that's the case why is the blimp not closer to or on the coast?
Pretty clear to me that this is a persistent stare ISR platform and will be recording a lot of different INTs, to include FMV. Now don't get me wrong. I'm good with this as it's really the same model that being applied with the CCTV feeds that are being recorded continuously and used by uncle sugar. I'm just wondering where the "NSA is the Devil" crowd is at..... |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:31:48 PM EDT
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Good place for it. Enough hot-air in the area to keep it afloat no matter how many bullet holes it gets. 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:34:00 PM EDT
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wonder what a .50bmg would do to a blimp
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:36:15 PM EDT
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Herp? Maybe...... I just find it amusing that folks got their panties in a wad over the NSA pulling data yet a persistent ISR platform over DC is just business as usual. I also truly found it amusing that the reason given was "defense against cruise missiles". Let's examine that...DC is about 100 miles from the coast. So exactly what type of cruise missiles is this blimp defending against? Land based? Hmmm....no, I'd have to say sea based, sub launched. If that's the case why is the blimp not closer to or on the coast?
Pretty clear to me that this is a persistent stare ISR platform and will be recording a lot of different INTs, to include FMV. Now don't get me wrong. I'm good with this as it's really the same model that being applied with the CCTV feeds that are being recorded continuously and used by uncle sugar. I'm just wondering where the "NSA is the Devil" crowd is at..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn...
Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles..
Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. Herp derp. Herp? Maybe...... I just find it amusing that folks got their panties in a wad over the NSA pulling data yet a persistent ISR platform over DC is just business as usual. I also truly found it amusing that the reason given was "defense against cruise missiles". Let's examine that...DC is about 100 miles from the coast. So exactly what type of cruise missiles is this blimp defending against? Land based? Hmmm....no, I'd have to say sea based, sub launched. If that's the case why is the blimp not closer to or on the coast?
Pretty clear to me that this is a persistent stare ISR platform and will be recording a lot of different INTs, to include FMV. Now don't get me wrong. I'm good with this as it's really the same model that being applied with the CCTV feeds that are being recorded continuously and used by uncle sugar. I'm just wondering where the "NSA is the Devil" crowd is at..... It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:43:11 PM EDT
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It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:45:18 PM EDT
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Bring Back the Air Ships |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:49:06 PM EDT
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Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. JLENS is an elevated radar. And yes, it's for cruise missile defense. Try doing a bit of research on it. Also google air defense of the National Capital Region. After 9/11, it gained a lot of importance. The Army bought and fielded air defense systems they deployed no where other than the NCR. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:49:42 PM EDT
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Or, you can keep here-derping right along.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:51:09 PM EDT
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not sure how this is any more efficient than watching me through my laptop webcam.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Who would want to fly on that thing anyway. The first broad gets on with a staticky sweater and its OHMYGAWDTHEHUMANITY
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:06:57 PM EDT
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JLENS is an elevated radar. And yes, it's for cruise missile defense. Try doing a bit of research on it. Also google air defense of the National Capital Region. After 9/11, it gained a lot of importance. The Army bought and fielded air defense systems they deployed no where other than the NCR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. JLENS is an elevated radar. And yes, it's for cruise missile defense. Try doing a bit of research on it. Also google air defense of the National Capital Region. After 9/11, it gained a lot of importance. The Army bought and fielded air defense systems they deployed no where other than the NCR. I'm pretty up to speed on the NCR and still struggling to understand why a cruise missile defense platform is above DC vice the coast. Perhaps you can enlighten us? |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:13:21 PM EDT
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I'm pretty up to speed on the NCR and still struggling to understand why a cruise missile defense platform is above DC vice the coast. Perhaps you can enlighten us? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. JLENS is an elevated radar. And yes, it's for cruise missile defense. Try doing a bit of research on it. Also google air defense of the National Capital Region. After 9/11, it gained a lot of importance. The Army bought and fielded air defense systems they deployed no where other than the NCR. I'm pretty up to speed on the NCR and still struggling to understand why a cruise missile defense platform is above DC vice the coast. Perhaps you can enlighten us? Apparently you're not as "up" on it as you think. Tell me, how many JLENS have been produced? What is its radar horizon/effective radar range? How much coastline does the US have? (Hint: here is where you divide the miles of coastline by the range of the JLENS in miles and compare that number to the number of units actually produced.) In other words, in air defense, you can't protect everywhere. You protect your critical assets. Our politicians have decided the NCR is a critical asset that needs protecting. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:17:00 PM EDT
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Over the horizon, wonder what that means? Maybe has enough of a view over the horizon for a decent intercept solution in all directions..
But, I'm not wearing any tin foil...
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:21:38 PM EDT
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Glados: Look at you, soaring through the air like an Eagle... Piloting a blimp. Been waiting for a chance to quote that! |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:21:51 PM EDT
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Over the horizon, wonder what that means? Maybe has enough of a view over the horizon for a decent intercept solution in all directions.. But, I'm not wearing any tin foil... Essentially. Ground based radars are limited by the horizon. It creates a 'dead zone' where aircraft can approach undetected. The lower the aircraft flies, like say a cruise missile, the closer it can approach undetected. The answer is to elevate the radar. Aircraft have limited on station time. Blimps have a much greater stay time. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:22:02 PM EDT
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DC has got to be the single most defended piece of ground on the planet. You've got Mt. Weather and a dozen other COG facilities in the mountains...and dozens or hundreds other bunkers etc. scattered everywhere. There's the DOD, cia, nsa, fbi, Marines, Navy... no way a sub is going to sneak up close to the coast much less into the bay... the surprising thing about all this is how 2 jokers were able to snarl the entire region up for a month in the sniper attacks. Asymetric warfare?
If I were the planners.... 
Well, let's just say I-95 and US 1 have always struck me as insane liabilities. Combine with the rail road and the 3 most critical transport lines up and down the Coast run smack through the DC area. I get much is a legacy of the civil war- north-south roads being few and far between but still.... a break in all 3 would shut the place down. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:22:07 PM EDT
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It's for cruise missile detection. Sure. Of course it is.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:42:12 PM EDT
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Apparently you're not as "up" on it as you think. Tell me, how many JLENS have been produced? What is its radar horizon/effective radar range? How much coastline does the US have? (Hint: here is where you divide the miles of coastline by the range of the JLENS in miles and compare that number to the number of units actually produced.) In other words, in air defense, you can't protect everywhere. You protect your critical assets. Our politicians have decided the NCR is a critical asset that needs protecting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not an ISR platform. It's a radar. Is that right? Are you being serious? Ok, why is a radar platform being located over the Capitol? What threat is this blimp going to defend against? Defense against Tea Party Cruise missiles?
I'd say that it's blimp. What gets hung on it is anybody's guess.....mine is persistent surveillance. Meets the legal threshold... Oh yea, a .50 won't do shit unless the electronics are hit. Remember this is at 10,000' AGL....good luck with that. JLENS is an elevated radar. And yes, it's for cruise missile defense. Try doing a bit of research on it. Also google air defense of the National Capital Region. After 9/11, it gained a lot of importance. The Army bought and fielded air defense systems they deployed no where other than the NCR. I'm pretty up to speed on the NCR and still struggling to understand why a cruise missile defense platform is above DC vice the coast. Perhaps you can enlighten us? Apparently you're not as "up" on it as you think. Tell me, how many JLENS have been produced? What is its radar horizon/effective radar range? How much coastline does the US have? (Hint: here is where you divide the miles of coastline by the range of the JLENS in miles and compare that number to the number of units actually produced.) In other words, in air defense, you can't protect everywhere. You protect your critical assets. Our politicians have decided the NCR is a critical asset that needs protecting. You haven't said anything of substance. The salient point is that a cruise threat will be sea based. Moving the detection platform towards the sea increases the detection envelope. Why would a detection platform designed to detect a sea based threat be based 100 miles away from the water? |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:47:21 PM EDT
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You haven't said anything of substance. The salient point is that a cruise threat will be sea based. Moving the detection platform towards the sea increases the detection envelope. Why would a detection platform designed to detect a sea based threat be based 100 miles away from the water? That's completely wrong. Keep reading my previous post, perhaps draw some pictures, until you actually understand what is going on. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 2:44:44 AM EDT
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That's completely wrong. Keep reading my previous post, perhaps draw some pictures, until you actually understand what is going on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You haven't said anything of substance. The salient point is that a cruise threat will be sea based. Moving the detection platform towards the sea increases the detection envelope. Why would a detection platform designed to detect a sea based threat be based 100 miles away from the water? That's completely wrong. Keep reading my previous post, perhaps draw some pictures, until you actually understand what is going on. None of you previous posts, to include your most recent, have said anything of substance that would explain why this cruise missile radar detection system needs to located over DC proper. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 3:56:57 AM EDT
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None of you previous posts, to include your most recent, have said anything of substance that would explain why this cruise missile radar detection system needs to located over DC proper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You haven't said anything of substance. The salient point is that a cruise threat will be sea based. Moving the detection platform towards the sea increases the detection envelope. Why would a detection platform designed to detect a sea based threat be based 100 miles away from the water? That's completely wrong. Keep reading my previous post, perhaps draw some pictures, until you actually understand what is going on. None of you previous posts, to include your most recent, have said anything of substance that would explain why this cruise missile radar detection system needs to located over DC proper. They did, actually. Your refusal to accept it does not constitute a lack of explanation. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 4:08:57 AM EDT
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I'll not speculate why they're putting it though I have ideas....
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HUGELY different monster and we have JLENS's up around the country already..... |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 4:28:22 AM EDT
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HUGELY different monster and we have JLENS's up around the country already..... Ill agree its a hugely different craft and purpose. We have shot cruise missile like targets with Navy SM-6 using JLENS radar information at Whit Sands. I would not characterize how many we have, and its current usage the same way. It is my understanding we have bought two, one being the EDM. They have been used in tests around the country and in the Pacific. However, your statement could be construed as we have them up and operational providing a radar Pickett. That's not the case. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 4:44:16 AM EDT
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Ill agree its a hugely different craft and purpose. We have shot cruise missile like targets with Navy SM-6 using JLENS radar information at Whit Sands. I would not characterize how many we have, and its current usage the same way. It is my understanding we have bought two, one being the EDM. They have been used in tests around the country and in the Pacific. However, your statement could be construed as we have them up and operational providing a radar Pickett. That's not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HUGELY different monster and we have JLENS's up around the country already..... Ill agree its a hugely different craft and purpose. We have shot cruise missile like targets with Navy SM-6 using JLENS radar information at Whit Sands. I would not characterize how many we have, and its current usage the same way. It is my understanding we have bought two, one being the EDM. They have been used in tests around the country and in the Pacific. However, your statement could be construed as we have them up and operational providing a radar Pickett. That's not the case. this is true.... but I'm lumping TARS in with JLENS (which are WAY closer than what's in the OP). I may be off on THAT difference. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 4:55:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm....here I was trying to stir the pot and nobody took the bait. Damn... Do you guys realize the capabilities that these platforms can potentially host??......and guys were getting spun up over the NSA and email/cell phone intercept??? These were affectionally known as the "Unblinking eye" in OIF and OEF. Of course the intent of this blimp in DC is to guard against cruise missiles.. Oh yea....these are helium and virtually at atmosphere in terms of internal pressure. They would reel them down in Kabul and there would be dozens of holes in them....had virtually no effect whatsoever. Sure...why not Cruise missiles could be ONE of its duties.... Yeah...you can put an amazing amount of sensor arrays on those things. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 6:55:33 PM EDT
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this is true.... but I'm lumping TARS in with JLENS (which are WAY closer than what's in the OP). I may be off on THAT difference. We put something similar on the High Speed Vessel as an experiment. JLENS is way cooler, IMO. |
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