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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:51:30 PM EST

H.R.86 -- Safe Students Act (Introduced in House - IH)

HR 86 IH

114th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 86
To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 6, 2015

Mr. MASSIE (for himself, Mr. BRIDENSTINE, Mr. DUNCAN of South Carolina, Mr. GOHMERT, and Mr. PALAZZO) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL
To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Safe Students Act'.
SEC. 2. REPEAL OF THE GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES ACT OF 1990 AND AMENDMENTS TO THAT ACT.

(a) In General- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subsection (q).
(b) Related Amendments-
(1) Section 921(a) of such title is amended by striking paragraphs (25) through (27) and redesignating paragraphs (28), (29), and (32) through (35) as paragraphs (25) through (30), respectively.
(2) Section 924(a) of such title is amended--
(A) in paragraph (1)(B), by striking `(k), or (q)' and inserting `or (k)'; and
(B) by striking paragraph (4) and redesignating paragraphs (5) through (7) as paragraphs (4) through (6), respectively.
(3) The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 (18 U.S.C. 921 note, 922 note; section 1702 of Public Law 101-647; 104 Stat. 4844-4845) is repealed.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:01:26 PM EST
Never gonna happen
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:05:46 PM EST
Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

«tc2k11»
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It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.
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Too bad they can't slip a 922 (o) repeal in with it.
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Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

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They mostly are. Guns are pretty much the only thing that differentiate (R) from (D)

It needs to be noted that this is a repeal of a (R) president signed law.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
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Yes.

The original act should be repealed. Then let the Local Communities decide. Then let's see where the brass falls.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
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The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:


They mostly are. Guns are pretty much the only thing that differentiate (R) from (D)

It needs to be noted that this is a repeal of a (R) president signed law.
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

«tc2k11»


They mostly are. Guns are pretty much the only thing that differentiate (R) from (D)

It needs to be noted that this is a repeal of a (R) president signed law.



Yeah. And Scalia is pretty much the same as Ginsberg.
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Not happening

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The current federal law allows CCW holders to be on school property armed.

This is how some states allow armed teachers.

Most states however make it illegal.
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Republicans want to kill our children

-Nancy "psycho" Pelosi"
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Good to go in Utah.
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Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Mach:
The current federal law allows CCW holders to be on school property armed.

This is how some states allow armed teachers.

Most states however make it illegal.



Good to go in Utah.


Just don't take your gun to church.
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Let's talk "if" it passes....


Making up legislation and actually getting it passed into law are two different entities.

Why didn't the republicans reverse the 20,000+ laws in the books when they had total control of the house, senate and presidency 2001-2006?
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Originally Posted By America-first:
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Disagree. The Second Amendment is a Federal issue.

Some states have passed all kinds of gun laws that suck, even more than the Feds.
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Ya fucking right.
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Zero will veto every one of these. The POS won't let anything pass during the final years of his emperorship.
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Originally Posted By williewvr:
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They can.
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Originally Posted By medicmandan:



Good to go in Utah.
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Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Mach:
The current federal law allows CCW holders to be on school property armed.

This is how some states allow armed teachers.

Most states however make it illegal.



Good to go in Utah.

And surprisingly in Delaware
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Gotta love laws that do nothing to protect anyone
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
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No it shouldn't.
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my state already did. Now when i pick up or drop off the kids i dont have to have the vehicle gun free.
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Yeah, lets see how many R's actually vote for it - assuming it even makes it to the floor.
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Originally Posted By BigPony:



Yeah, lets see how many R's actually vote for it - assuming it even makes it to the floor.
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Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

«tc2k11»



Yeah, lets see how many R's actually vote for it - assuming it even makes it to the floor.

its time we hammer them until it gets to the floor. once it gets to the floor we need to hammer them again.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.


You're really not this dense are you? All of the articles in the Bill of Rights are applicable to ALL states and therefore protected and enforced by the federal government. The stats really have no authority to decide on Bill of Rights issues. Have they? Do they? Sure, but judges and legislators continue to fuck us in lots of ways. Its NOT a states' issue whatsoever, only fuckhead judges have convinced you that thinking is acceptable.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.

However, there are very few States that do not also have a RKBA statement in their individual constitutions. The "usual suspects" of course, but surprisingly IA as well. Virginia's is, I think one of the best, as it not only includes the 2A USC verbatim, but expands it to explain that "the Militia" consists "of the whole of the people", which takes away the specious "they meant the National Guard" argument.
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Originally Posted By Sheddy:
You're really not this dense are you?
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Originally Posted By Sheddy:
You're really not this dense are you?
Interesting ad hominem. Very weak, but interesting nonetheless.

All of the articles in the Bill of Rights...
Show us a link detailing the "articles" in the Bill of Rights. We'll wait.

...are applicable to ALL states...
Which part of the US Constitution makes this claim? I'll answer for you: None explicitly. The 14th Amendment comes closest with its "immunities and privileges" clause. What was it I said in my post? Oh yeah, "The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th." Why would I call such an interpretation "warped"? Because the courts have used it to destroy the federal system of government.

...and therefore protected and enforced by the federal government.
This begs the question: Why even bother having state governments? Why not simply call the country "Muricadamit", abolish all state governments, and be done with this charade of a federal system of government?

...only fuckhead judges have convinced you that thinking is acceptable.
This part is amusing enough to deserve being repeated. At least we agree on the sentiment regarding many of the judges.

Meanwhile, read some history. Start with "the Reconstruction Act" and explore the question: "How is it that a state must be a member of the Union in order to ratify an amendment to the US Constitution, but some states had to ratify the 14th Amendment before they were 'readmitted' to the Union?" Then ponder the question "Why did Congress wait to impose the 'due process' protected by the 14th until after the Federal government had stripped untold thousands of the very people they called 'citizens' of property without that very due process?"

Here's a hint: Victori spolia!


BTW, only the dimmest of wits would construe any of the above as my opposition to repealing a Federal law that was ridiculous on its face (like the one in the OP).
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+1
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However, there are very few States that do not also have a RKBA statement in their individual constitutions. The "usual suspects" of course, but surprisingly IA as well. Virginia's is, I think one of the best, as it not only includes the 2A USC verbatim, but expands it to explain that "the Militia" consists "of the whole of the people", which takes away the specious "they meant the National Guard" argument.
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And Virginia is the only one brave enough to bare a breast on their flag, too!
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Zero will veto every one of these. The POS won't let anything pass during the final years of his emperorship.
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Good! Make him own his shit.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.


Bullcrap. Only ONE amendment ever mentions the Federal government.

Apparently, you are fine with states like NY and CA, etc making their citizens less equal that folks in other states.

NOT a state's rights issue.
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Only results matter.

Republicans can "say" anything they want and "introduce" any bill they want.

It's what gets "passed" and signed into law that matters.
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2nd amendment rights should not be allowed to be hamstrung by hand-wringing lefties on a state or city/town/neighborhood level.

Period - fucking-DOT .
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We can CCW at school with a CFP. State funded schools that prohibit get their ass kicked by the state AG's office. State Supreme Court has already backed this.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:

Only results matter.

Republicans can "say" anything they want and "introduce" any bill they want.

It's what gets "passed" and signed into law that matters.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

«tc2k11»

Only results matter.

Republicans can "say" anything they want and "introduce" any bill they want.

It's what gets "passed" and signed into law that matters.


Gee, they don't have the votes to override a veto. What would you have them do?
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stupid feel good law that does as mush good as a screen door on a submarine.

Exhibit 1: Sandy Hook
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.

I'm not sure I understand you, or that you understand the 14th and the courts. The original intent of the privileges and immunities clause was absolutely to enforce the bill of rights at the state level. Where the court went wrong was in basically nullifying the P&I clause, and then using another, very warped 'interpretation' of another clause to accomplish incorporating tho BoR at state level. Maybe that's that you're referring to, but the written constitution as amended absolutely applies the bill of rights to the States.
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Originally Posted By mrrick:

my state already did. Now when i pick up or drop off the kids i dont have to have the vehicle gun free.
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Originally Posted By mrrick:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

my state already did. Now when i pick up or drop off the kids i dont have to have the vehicle gun free.

What if you park it, leave the gun in the car & go in the school? In TN, with those actions, I would then be committing a crime.
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Originally Posted By rabidus:



Let's talk "if" it passes....


Making up legislation and actually getting it passed into law are two different entities.

Why didn't the republicans reverse the 20,000+ laws in the books when they had total control of the house, senate and presidency 2001-2006?
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Originally Posted By rabidus:
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Odd. GD told me that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

«tc2k11»



Let's talk "if" it passes....


Making up legislation and actually getting it passed into law are two different entities.

Why didn't the republicans reverse the 20,000+ laws in the books when they had total control of the house, senate and presidency 2001-2006?



They were too busy expanding the size of government and increasing spending............


Hopefully this passes-hard to say if Obama would pass it or not.Worth a try imo.
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Let's see if they all support it.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
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The 2A trumps states rights.
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Originally Posted By m193:

The 2A trumps states rights.
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Originally Posted By m193:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The 2A trumps states rights.
+1

Agreed.
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It could if some members of Congress would start trolling those "must pass to read bills"
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Originally Posted By hammermill:

H.R.86 -- Safe Students Act

To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act.
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I like what the title of this bill implies.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.
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Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.



+1

Concealed carry was prohibited by most States throughout the 19th century beginning in 1813. It was regarded as evidence of ill intent.


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It could if some members of Congress would start trolling those "must pass to read bills"
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Never gonna happen

It could if some members of Congress would start trolling those "must pass to read bills"


And when Zero vetoes them, then what?
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+1

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Originally Posted By beararms:
Originally Posted By tknogeek:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.

The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
Yes, it is. The US Constitution describes limits on the Federal government, not the states. The only reason RKBA (or even the First Amendment) applies to the states is a warped interpretation of the 14th.



+1

Concealed carry was prohibited by most States throughout the 19th century beginning in 1813. It was regarded as evidence of ill intent.




Nope. I don't care what states have done, it is still not within the legitimate authority of any state to make gun laws even though they have gotten away with it at least since 1813.
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The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By America-first:
It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.


The RKBA has no **'s after it.

This is NOT a state issue.


evidently you don't understand what the constitution does and why states have their own laws and own constitutions.

it IS a state issue.
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