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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:31:45 AM EST
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/1246


Bill Introduced in Florida Would Make Photographing Farms a Felony [Florida SB 1246]


A person who photographs, video records or otherwise produces images or pictorial records, digital or otherwise, at or of a farm or other property where legitimate agriculture operations are being conducted without the written consent of the owner, or an authorized representative of the owner, commits a felony of the first degree.



Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:36:40 AM EST
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:37:40 AM EST
uhm what?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:38:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By greenranger:
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR

Power. It always is.

Fuck them.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:38:20 AM EST
Senator Jim Norman, a Republican.



Full text of bill:

    12-01071A-11                                          20111246__
    1                        A bill to be entitled                      
    2         An act relating to farms; prohibiting a person from
    3         entering onto a farm or photographing or video
    4         recording a farm without the owner’s written consent;
    5         providing a definition; providing penalties; providing
    6         an effective date.
    7  
    8  Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:
    9  
   10         Section 1. (1) A person who enters onto a farm or other
   11  property where legitimate agriculture operations are being
   12  conducted without the written consent of the owner, or an
   13  authorized representative of the owner, commits a felony of the
   14  first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083,
   15  or s. 775.084, Florida Statutes.
   16         (2) A person who photographs, video records, or otherwise
   17  produces images or pictorial records, digital or otherwise, at
   18  or of a farm or other property where legitimate agriculture
   19  operations are being conducted without the written consent of
   20  the owner, or an authorized representative of the owner, commits
   21  a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s.
   22  775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, Florida Statutes.
   23         (3) As used in this section, the term "farm” includes any
   24  tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural
   25  production, the raising and breeding of domestic animals, or the
   26  storage of a commodity.
   27         Section 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2011.

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:38:28 AM EST
That is terrific! That will keep the little "Round up" man from running around trespassing taking pics of your property then fining you because you didn't use your Round up ready beans in accordance with Monsanto's policy
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:39:54 AM EST
Sounds like they have all their budget stuff figured out if they are focusing on something like this... Derp
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:40:10 AM EST
That is terrific! That will keep the little "Round up" man from running around trespassing taking pics of your property then fining you because you didn't use your Round up ready beans in accordance with Monsanto's policy
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:42:45 AM EST
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....


Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:42:47 AM EST
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:43:07 AM EST
A felony? Remind me again why the right supports both the BS laws that should never be illegal, let alone a felony; as well as supporting felons from not owning firearms?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:43:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By greenranger:
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR


From what we're gathering in the horse world, sounds like it's aimed at preventing the PETA assholes from causing problems.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:44:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!

No, no we shouldn't. I don't care who the intended target is. LE won't care when the arrest some tourist snapping pictures, either.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:44:47 AM EST
What will History Channel air if they can't show all the damn crop circle/alien shows?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:44:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:45:24 AM EST
See I told you it was a pork farm!
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:45:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keymaster4225:
Originally Posted By greenranger:
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR


From what we're gathering in the horse world, sounds like it's aimed at preventing the PETA assholes from causing problems.

Yes that is correct, it's the undercover farm vid crowd that this is aimed at
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:47:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2011 3:47:34 AM EST by Phil1712]
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By greenranger:
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR


Perhaps to stop animal rights nutcases from trying to sandbag farmers to make their point?


Same mentality behind Banning Guns so the criminals will stop shooting each other.

Ban all the photography you want, PETA will still do it.

Another stupid fucking law on the books.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:47:06 AM EST
Whether its anti peta or anti monsanto we need to get behind it! If your genuinly tsking pics of the beauty, any farmer will let you photgraph it! The problem comes in when you have idiots running around taking pics that are unwanted! The pics are useually taken illegally any way because the perp has too trespass to get the pic
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:50:04 AM EST
I'm going to go take some pre-ban farm photos today.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:52:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By silentweapon338:
Whether its anti peta or anti monsanto we need to get behind it! If your genuinly tsking pics of the beauty, any farmer will let you photgraph it! The problem comes in when you have idiots running around taking pics that are unwanted! The pics are useually taken illegally any way because the perp has too trespass to get the pic

Freedom and liberty, how does it work?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:53:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....




you need to read the bill. It says you have to TRESPASS onto the farm and take pics.

GR
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:54:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By greenranger:
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....




you need to read the bill. It says you have to TRESPASS onto the farm and take pics.

GR

If you are trespassing, then you are already breaking the law.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:54:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Keymaster4225:
Originally Posted By greenranger:
I wonder what the push behind this is.

GR


From what we're gathering in the horse world, sounds like it's aimed at preventing the PETA assholes from causing problems.


This was my thought. Hidden cameras going into facilities to catch animal abuse and whatnot.

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:55:17 AM EST
I've personally been a victum of some jackass tresspassing and photographing! Now the pic is on google earth! I have a friend who got fined by monsanto after they had too trespass over @ least 5 acres too get pics of some beans, you laugh but that pic ended up costing about 20k in legal fees and then MONSANTO SAID OOPS WE MUST HAVE BEEN MISTAKEN.

Point being if you can make it illegal to take the pic then if the pic shows up in court guess what?????
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:55:36 AM EST
1.buy farm

2. pass goofy legislation

3. sue US govt for taking satellite photos of farm

4. profit

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 3:56:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By greenranger:
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....




you need to read the bill. It says you have to TRESPASS onto the farm and take pics.

GR

If you are trespassing, then you are already breaking the law.

There would have to be signs or be told before you'd be breaking the law.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:00:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:
I'm going to go take some pre-ban farm photos today.


Yep, I can see the panic stricken photographers rushing out to take pre-Ban pics of farms now. The run on photo-grade copy paper will be enormous at Office Depot and the lines of vehicles at farms will be long. Wait a minute......Are we talking farms or gun-shows?

I wonder if the prices at Southern States will spike as a result.

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:05:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2011 4:05:59 AM EST by skunk-ape]
making a felony out of taking a photo from off-property is going to be a tough sell legal wise is it not?




what if you just are in possession of "farm porn" and someone catches you with it on your PC?


Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:06:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By greenranger:
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....




you need to read the bill. It says you have to TRESPASS onto the farm and take pics.

GR


You need to read the bill. It says no such thing.


2) ;A person who photographs, video records, or otherwise produces images or pictorial records, digital or otherwise, at or of a farm or other property where legitimate agriculture operations are being conducted without the written consent of the owner, or an authorized representative of the owner, commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, Florida Statutes.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:09:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxSgt1911:
What will History Channel air if they can't show all the damn crop circle/alien shows?


Maybe they can go back and find some shows about history.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:17:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2011 4:31:04 AM EST by NoStockBikes]

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By greenranger:
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Im surrounded by farms on 3 sides.....guess i cant take anymore photo's around the house for fear i may get a glimps of a farm out the window.....




you need to read the bill. It says you have to TRESPASS onto the farm and take pics.

GR

If you are trespassing, then you are already breaking the law.

This ramps it up, gives teeth against the "kamikaze" trespassing incidents. "Sure they'll have to ask me to leave, I might get a $25 fine if I don't leave, but I'll get what I need to damage their business/industry."

As long as the trespassing provision is in there, I don't have much problem with the concept. BUT:
I'm not a fan of the felony part (make it a big misdemeanor?) That seems like a bit overkill.
I would like exemptions for hidden camera on people who are on the property WITH permission. I think that (generally speaking), anything that a person sees should be able to be recorded for posterity ("can not be unseen").

ETA: I'm a bit confused... Do you have to violate 1 AND 2, or just one or the other? It needs to require trespass to be a crime, IMO. Without trespass, it's a non-starter.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:19:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/1246


Bill Introduced in Florida Would Make Photographing Farms a Felony [Florida SB 1246]


A person who photographs, video records or otherwise produces images or pictorial records, digital or otherwise, at or of a farm or other property where legitimate agriculture operations are being conducted without the written consent of the owner, or an authorized representative of the owner, commits a felony of the first degree.




why
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:20:20 AM EST
I think its aimed at the PETA people who go onto farm property to photograph "abuse"
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:23:58 AM EST

I assume that Florida doesn't have criminal trespass laws?

Oh, wait, we need more laws because the laws we have are not enforced and new laws will make everthing better.


Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:25:23 AM EST
Against PETA or not, total BS. What happens to the family that is on vacation in FL and stops on the side of the road to get photos of kids in front of an orange grove? Sure, they are not trying to do anything underhanded and you can say all day that they won't enforce the law against these types of photos, but because of a bullshit law, they are now felons. Charged or not, they have committed a felony.
Again, govt. intrusion at it's best! Just enforce the damned trespasing laws already on the books! If evidence was gaind by illegal trespassing, it cannot be used!
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:25:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Are you high? I mean high high, like you're still smoking from last night. Not high as in you had a wake'n bake high.

You gotta be high. I mean high high.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:39:15 AM EST
"Pssst ............ want to buy some feelthy peektures? Virgin beets, mang ...................."
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:41:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Just curious. Why the Monsanto hate?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:50:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


This. There has to be a better way though.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:50:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By zdog:
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Just curious. Why the Monsanto hate?


http://www.cracked.com/article_18845_6-secret-monopolies-you-didnt-know-run-world.html

Something to do with this I'd bet.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:50:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chris_C:

I assume that Florida doesn't have criminal trespass laws?

Oh, wait, we need more laws because the laws we have are not enforced and new laws will make everthing better.


Somebody gets it.

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:51:07 AM EST
This is bullshit either way.

1) I'm already trespassing if I go onto another property and take pictures.
2) How do you catch animal abuse?

I dont normally side with the "What do you have to hide" crowd but the trespass charge alone is usually enough you wont barge onto someones property without due cause to be there and the felony on top with recording means even if you expose some nasty shit and animal abuse you still get hit with a felony.

Nothing but bullshit IMO.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:51:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By zdog:
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Just curious. Why the Monsanto hate?

It's a lot like the Wal-Mart hate. Monsanto patented some specific genetics that they developed. Huge gains in crop yields. Some farmers, rather than purchasing the seed from Monsanto each year, were keeping a portion of the crops they grew, and planted those seeds. That makes things complicated, since they (the farmers) grew and produced the seeds, but according to the patents and usage/licensing agreements, Monsanto owned the genetics. Cue shitstorm of high dollar corporate lawyers litigating small farmers into submission.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:52:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By zdog:
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Just curious. Why the Monsanto hate?


Watch the documentary Food, Inc.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 4:57:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2011 4:58:47 AM EST by NoStockBikes]

Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
Originally Posted By zdog:
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
If this is anti Monsanto, then we need to all get behind it and support it!!


Just curious. Why the Monsanto hate?


Watch the documentary Food, Inc.

Oh gawd... That does give a snapshot into the backstory of the Monsanto issue, but I have a hard time getting past the obvious agenda in the rest of it. I mean, the producer actually makes the claim that cheap US corn is the reason that people are starving in Africa, because our corn is so cheap that it drives their farmers out of business. Wait, what? Our $7/bushel corn, then shipped across the oceans is SO cheap that it undercuts the market in countries where the per capita income is $10 per month. Ok, got it. Seems to me that if a bushel of corn was worth $7 USD over there, farming would be bigger than gold mining. IF cheap corn is driving their farmers out of business, then their gripe is with the aid agencies dumping free food everywhere.

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 5:01:17 AM EST
It doesnt matter one bit who/what this proposed law is aimed at. You CANNOT stop someone from photographing or video recording anything from public property. The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that banning photography or video recording of anything from public property is a violation of the 1st Amendment. Photography and video recording are seen as a form of speech.

Photographers Rights Statement .pdf
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 5:04:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By FAIL-SAFE:
It doesnt matter one bit who/what this proposed law is aimed at. You CANNOT stop someone from photographing or video recording anything from public property. The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that banning photography or video recording of anything from public property is a violation of the 1st Amendment. Photography and video recording are seen as a form of speech.

Photographers Rights Statement .pdf

Yes. The only way this is feasible is if it is involves trespassing.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 5:15:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 5:18:49 AM EST
if your farm is in plain view I'll photograph it just to piss 'em off
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 5:20:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By FAIL-SAFE:
It doesnt matter one bit who/what this proposed law is aimed at. You CANNOT stop someone from photographing or video recording anything from public property. The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that banning photography or video recording of anything from public property is a violation of the 1st Amendment. Photography and video recording are seen as a form of speech.

Photographers Rights Statement .pdf


Really? Try using that logic in Downtown Charleston SC near the U.S. Customs house. There are signs posted everywhere about federal law violations if caught taking photos in that area. Guy at work was a chaperone to a high school photography class and one of the kids took a photo of a warehouse from the street. Homeland Security Paul Blart types jumped all over the teen and did an background check on him before releasing him.
And this is a freaking tourist area where everyone is carrying a camera!
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