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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 9/11/2005 6:34:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:39:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
I take the Mustang this weekend to get a new remore and key made. Its one of those chip keys so not much choice on where to go. Whle waiting I decide to look at the new Pony Cars. I was very impressed with the new GT that now comes standard with the 24 valve 4.6L 300hp once Cobra only option engine and the price tag list at $28K wasn't much of a shocker. Nice car.

Then my eye caught the new Saleen so I check it out. Wow, it was supercharged, low profiles, beefed up suspension, racing exhaust, slotted oversized brakes, and a few trim differences. Really neat I think. Then holy shit, I look at the price tag, $55,000. I liked to shit my pants.

Add a $2,400 supercharger, $1,000 exhaust, $1,000 wheels, $1,000 brakes, $1,000 suspension, and you got let's be generous here and say with trim $8,000-$10,000 of adders to the GT. OK, that takes it up to $38,000.

Where the hell does the $55,000 come from. I guess it is that SALEEN emblem?

What a ripoff!

Tj

That and it usually has new pulley's and other things that might make the part's total about 40k. But some of that is also cost of him taking the car putting all that stuff on it, and the extra shipping. And him designing the package. Then the rest is his profit margin.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:35:19 AM EDT
there was an article in R&T a while back that showed the performance differences among the various new models. The Saleen was not impressive, particularly at that price point
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:44:53 AM EDT
I'm with you. 55k for any car is friggin ridiculous and 55k for a gussied up stang is even more so.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:00:40 AM EDT
Here's the chart I was referring to from the April, 2005 R&T. Slower to 60 than the GT, slower in the 1/4 mile, poorer braking from 60. For the 18k+ premium, the Saleen S281 (normally aspirated) really doesn't deliver like one might expect. It appears that it might have more balls on the top end and it was second only to the $175k GT-R in the slalom. The Saleen has a lot of custom interior bits and so on but I'd rather the money went into hi-po parts instead of interior decorating although the cosmetic touches and custom seats are nice.

The Saleen S281 Supercharged Mustang with 400bhp is supposed to be able to perform on par with a C6. Nothing on MSRP on that model, however.


Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:54:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:03:04 PM EDT
$125,000 more than a stock GT only gets you a second better in the quarter>?

The 1/4 mile times are all the same
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:54:53 PM EDT
But you are buying an instant "collector car".

It is a bargain at twice the price.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:42:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 6:43:22 AM EDT by FunYun1983]

Originally Posted By shootemup:
$125,000 more than a stock GT only gets you a second better in the quarter>?

The 1/4 mile times are all the same



Tires and gearing make a big difference. These cars are made for road racing not drags. Are you talking about the Shelby or the GT-R, because the GT-R is the heaviest there.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 12:35:32 PM EDT
Limited production vehicles such as the Saleen's are for people who do not want to get their hands dirty doing it themselves.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 2:11:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 2:12:26 PM EDT by killingmachine123]
The money spent for R&D on a car like that is probably quite a bit, and does drive up the cost substantially. Although there is obviously a large profit built into that price.

If you are looking to out run, corner, and brake just about anything for cheap come over to my place and help me wrench on my omni. Carrol Shelby designed them to be the antithesis of cars like the saleen.

ETA: I think that the biggest rip off is the 5K premium that they are getting for the 05 GT convertables. Seems like a lot of extra cash for a car sans roof.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:45:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:23:23 PM EDT
We sell a lot of Saleens. The 05 is a 3-valve engine(stock GT). Not the same as the Cobra motor. The Saleen supercharger,while an easy bolt on unit( I have done 2 now) is $4999.95. That, along with 1K for brakes, 1k for the Saleen headlight option, 1K(I think) for the center exit dual path exhaust, 2.5K for the wheels and tires, $300 for the gauge pod, and the list goes on. When we recieve these cars we have to give the truck driver a check for the Saleen mods. Last check I had written was for over 49K for 2 S-281SC cars.

As an aside, the Saleen blower only makes about 4.5 lbs. of boost to add over 100 HP. Typically into the 418-425 range. Upgrade is coming soon for 500 HP with 7 lds. of boost.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:27:21 PM EDT
I won't pay $50k for anything with a Ford emblem on the front. Nor for Chevy or dodge for that matter.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:03:00 PM EDT
IMHO, and in the Ford Marketing dept's HO, Anyone who is shopping for a $40,000-250,000 car is in the "if you have to ask you can't afford it" catagory


Of course it is a ripoff, but there will always be a certain subset who will pay a premium for the latest/greatest.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:08:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
IMHO, and in the Ford Marketing dept's HO, Anyone who is shopping for a $40,000-250,000 car is in the "if you have to ask you can't afford it" catagory


Of course it is a ripoff, but there will always be a certain subset who will pay a premium for the latest/greatest.



And the Saleen Mustangs are neither.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:11:10 PM EDT
I'd have to go for the Roush setup myself.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:25:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 10:26:04 PM EDT by legalese77]
While not nearly as good looking as the 2005 Stang, my favorite is the VERY stock looking 1996 Vortech Mustang weighing in with 500 bhp at about 27K. 0-100 in 9.7 seconds versus the 1996 SVT's 13.7, the M3's 14.6, the Vette LT4's 12.7, the Viper's 9.6 and the 911 Turbo's 9.4, to mention a few.

Obviously the 0-100 times don't tell the whole story but you'd be hard pressed to deny that was good bang for the buck. I'll post some of the article tomorrow when I get around to it.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:57:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FunYun1983:

Originally Posted By shootemup:
$125,000 more than a stock GT only gets you a second better in the quarter>?

The 1/4 mile times are all the same



Tires and gearing make a big difference. These cars are made for road racing not drags. Are you talking about the Shelby or the GT-R, because the GT-R is the heaviest there.



I'll take a new Z06 for about half the price.

Plus a faster 1/4 mile time to boot.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:15:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:37:23 AM EDT
Thats better then paying the $400,000 this saleen goes for. The S7

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:45:00 AM EDT
The 1996 Vortech compared quite favorably in terms of price/performance in the 0-100-0 test.



Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:47:08 AM EDT
I agree. What a rip off. Ford sells the steeda for $13,000 more and doesn't go any faster in the 1/4 mile. what the fuck. they just add some graphics and some chrome pedals. Thats what people want.Remember the 2002 SS camaro was faster came with a 6 speed and got better gas mileage and people still just wanted a mustang. Fast fords magazine once did a test of a 02 SS and got 12.9 in the 1/4 mile. the cobra was 1 second slower. I could not believe they printed this. They were trying to tell ford to get there act together.[
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:05:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:25:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By valblade:
I agree. What a rip off. Ford sells the steeda...


Ford does not sell Steeda Mustangs. Steeda does. The mods done to them are mostly for handling. The engine mods are limited to some pcm programming, air induction, underdrive pulleys, and exhaust on the regular cars. We carry these cars in additon to Saleen and Roush. The mods on all of them are almost the same.

Most of the people that by these cars don't know how or are not interested in doing it themselves, have a lot of money(apparently).
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:40:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cartech:
Originally Posted By valblade:
I agree. What a rip off. Ford sells the steeda...


Ford does not sell Steeda Mustangs. Steeda does. The mods done to them are mostly for handling. The engine mods are limited to some pcm programming, air induction, underdrive pulleys, and exhaust on the regular cars. We carry these cars in additon to Saleen and Roush. The mods on all of them are almost the same.

Most of the people that by these cars don't know how or are not interested in doing it themselves, have a lot of money(apparently).



The STEEDA lost 1.5mph in the slalom over the stock Mustang
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:31:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:33:17 AM EDT by legalese77]

Originally Posted By shootemup:


The STEEDA lost 1.5mph in the slalom over the stock Mustang



Surprising, isn't it? Suspension setup appears to be the same... How is it that lateral grip goes up by .07g, hp and torque go up, weight stays the same and yet slalom speed is down? I just don't understand. I wonder if some of these numbers are inaccurate.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:11:17 AM EDT
Aren't you paying for exclusivity of owning a Saleen Mustang? Aren't they still numbered, and produced in limited quantities?

Personally, if I were paying a premium for a limited edition car, I'd take a trip to Ohio and get one of the BR350 Lancer Evolution VIII's from Medina Mitsubishi. evolutionmr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=184
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:13:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 6:05:24 PM EDT
Having driven all these cars( the Mustangs I mean, of each type mentioned) I feel like you can tell a differance in all of them. If a Steeda was slower than a stock GT, sombody, somewhere did something wrong. Like send the press a car with worn out tires, a bad shock, a screw up by the driver that went unnoticed, etc.
Saleen sold over 1000 cars in 2005 model year. I supercharged #16 and # 936(iirc) only a few months apart. They are cranking them out in a hurry. Where the heck the money to buy these things is coming from I don't know.
The Roush cars actualy have the least mods, in Stage 1 trim, than the others but I like it the best as far as looks go.

As an aside, a gentleman came in a couple of weeks ago with two buudys and drove off with TWO 05 GT's( not Mustang GTs) and a supercharged Saleen. Is going to race them all. Thats like over $450,000 "worth" of Fords.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 12:46:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 1:39:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:07:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 7:08:51 PM EDT by cartech]
I would rather you pay me to do them for you. At least then I would have some work to do.

<Well, I finally made it to 100.
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