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Posted: 6/14/2009 9:50:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 1:26:03 PM EST by HoustonHusker]
So...he'll freeze additional settlements, but continue with natural growth. Commie boy wants Jerusalem divided and that ain't gonna happen, and the palis won't disarm––and Bibi knows it.

Looks to me like Bibi told our POS to fuck off. Commie will INSIST Jerusalem be divided and it'll never happen.

HH
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Netanyahu: No new settlements, but yes to natural growth

By Haaretz Service

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1092710.html


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday called on Palestinian leaders to restart Middle East peace negotiations without preconditions, in a highly anticipated foreign policy address at Bar Ilan University.

"I call on you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority: Let us begin peace negotiations immediately, without preconditions," he said. "Israel is committed to international agreements and expects all the other parties to fulfill their obligations as well."

The address at Bar Ilan came in the wake of the Obama administration's insistence that Israel impose a complete freeze on West Bank settlement construction and recognize the two-state solution.


During the speech, Netanyahu vowed that Israel would not build any new settlements and would refrain from expanding existing Israeli communities in the West Bank. Still, he said the government must be allowed to accommodate natural growth in these settlements.

Netanyahu has until now been adamant that a settlement freeze is unfeasible and that he would concentrate on strengthening the Palestinian economy, rather than agreeing to their statehood.

In an apparent reveral of Israeli policy, Netanyahu also declared that he was prepared to see the creation of a Palestinian state, so long as the international community can guarantee that it not have any military capabilities.

"Israel cannot agree to a Palestinian state unless it gets guarantees it is demilitarized," Netanyahu said. He also said that Jerusalem must remain the unified capital of Israel.

The prime minister said he was prepared to meet with the leaders of neighboring Arab countries at any time, to promote regional peace and to gain their contribution to the Palestinian economy.

Netanyahu reiterated that Israel has no desire to control the Palestinian people, and declared that both nations should be able to live side by side in peace.

"We want both Israeli and Palestinian children to live without war," Netanyahu said, but added: "We must ask ourselves - why has peace not yet arrived after 60 years?"

Israel would not accept any situation in which it was forced to exist beside a terrorist state. Every withdrawal from settlement territories would contribute to such terror, said Netanyahu.

The prime minister also said that Palestinians must accept Israel as a Jewish state, and cited the root of the regional conflict to "even moderate" Palestinian elements' refusal to do so.

"When Palestinians are ready to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, we will be ready for a true final settlement," the prime minister said.

He emphasized that the Jewish people have been linked to the land of Israel for over 3,000 years and ruled out the option of granting Palestinians refugees the right to settle within Israeli borders.

Netanyahu said that Israel would not negotiate with terrorist who wish to destroy it, and said that Palestinians must choose between path of peace and Hamas.

The prime minister opened his address by saying that he had formed his new government earlier this year with three major challenges facing Israel: the economic crisis, the Iranian threat, and the Middle East peace process.

He stressed that the greatest threat to the world today was the link between Islamist extremism and nuclear weapons.

Netanyahu, who until now had not endorsed U.S. President Barack Obama's goal of Palestinian statehood, used this policy speech as an opportunity to reverse course and try to narrow a rare rift between Israel and its closest ally.

The prime minister met with Defense Minister Ehud Barak and President Shimon Peres over the weekend for consultations about his speech.

Peres and Barak reportedly pressed Netanyahu to announce in the speech his acceptance of the road map and willingness to recognize a Palestinian state with security limitations.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, himself at loggerheads with Hamas, has said talks with Israel cannot resume until Netanyahu halts settlement and accepts a two-state solution.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:19:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 1:24:04 PM EST by HoustonHusker]
Wow...looks like Bibi really DID tell commie to fuck off. So much for Bibi cratering for the *checks*.



HH
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6498930.ece

Netanyahu defies Obama with harsh conditions for Palestinian 'entity'

(Baz Ratner/Reuters)

James Hider in Jerusalem

Binyamin Netanyahu threw down the gauntlet to the US tonight, grudgingly agreeing to a limited Palestinian state that would be demilitarised and not in control of its airspace or borders.

The hawkish Prime Minister insisted that Israel would never give up a united Jerusalem as its capital, and said that established Jewish settlements in the West Bank would continue to expand — despite explicit objections from Washington.

In a keynote speech that referred to a Palestinian “entity” far more frequently than an actual state, Mr Netanyahu tried to advance elements of his economic peace plan — whereby the Palestinians would receive investment in return for limited sovereignty — while still conceding to US insistence on the creation of an independent Palestinian country.

The right-wing Israeli leader said the moderate Palestinian leadership in the West Bank must agree to recognise Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people, as well as fight the Islamic hardliners Hamas, who now control Gaza, in return for the resumption of peace talks.

“The key condition is that the Palestinians recognise in a clear and public manner that Israel is the state of the Jewish people,” he told dignitaries in an auditorium at Bar Ilan University in Tel Aviv.

“If we have the guarantees on demilitarisation, and if the Palestinians recognise Israel as a state of the Jewish people, then we arrive at a solution based on a demilitarised Palestinian state alongside Israel,” Mr Netanyahu said.

“Each will have its flag, each will have its anthem. The Palestinian territory will be without arms, will not control airspace, will not be able to have arms enter.”

He said that “effective security safeguards” would have to be in place, without specifying what they might be. Israeli military officers have long argued that without an Israeli military presence, the Fatah-controlled West Bank would quickly fall to the Iranian-backed Hamas, which took control of Gaza two years ago amid fierce fighting.

Mr Netanyahu said that Hamas rocket-fire from Gaza, attacking Israeli cities in the south, would quickly reach Tel Aviv and its airport if the Islamist hardliners came to control the West Bank. “Many a worthy person has told us that withdrawal is the key to peace between us and the Palestinians. But the fact is that every withdrawal has been accompanied by rockets and suicide attacks.”

He said that the Palestinians had to drop the right of return for hundreds of thousands of refugees to their homes inside Israel.

Mr Netanyahu has been forced to tread a fine line between placating his largely nationalist-religious coalition while not flying in the face of Israel’s main ally, the US — which wants a total halt to all settlement growth and recognition of an independent Palestinian state. He said tonight that he would not agree to US demands for a total freeze on the expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

“I do not wish to build new settlements or to confiscate lands to that end, but we have to allow the residents of the settlements to live normal lives,” he said.

The much anticipated speech, in part a response to President Obama’s address to the Muslim world in Cairo two weeks ago, was condemned by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

“This speech torpedoes all peace initiatives in the region,” said Nabil Abu Rudeina, a spokesman for Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President.

Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior Palestinian official, said that Mr Netanyahu “spoke of a Palestinian state while emptying it of any substance by excluding a stop to settlements”.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:29:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 1:31:19 PM EST by Max_Mike]
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:36:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.


Good call. I've seen opinions elsewhere that Bibi cratered to Obama because he writes the checks...how can anyone with an ounce of brains make that claim? Bibi just handed commieboy his ass.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:40:07 PM EST
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:40:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.


Good call. I've seen opinions elsewhere that Bibi cratered to Obama because he writes the checks...how can anyone with an ounce of brains make that claim? Bibi just handed commieboy his ass.

HH


Well they cannot make that claim now... but then those guys do not have a ounce of brains between em.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:43:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.


Good call. I've seen opinions elsewhere that Bibi cratered to Obama because he writes the checks...how can anyone with an ounce of brains make that claim? Bibi just handed commieboy his ass.

HH
I've noticed that for the better part of a week, media photos of Netanyahu were showing him in a demurred state. Leave it to the media to paint the man in a less than flattering position.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:44:09 PM EST
According to the obongo , the US has no right in telling other countries how to run their affairs. Why is he trying to tell Israel how to run theirs?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:44:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By Regency:
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.


Read all of Joel's books...he's really good.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:44:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Regency:
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:45:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.


Good call. I've seen opinions elsewhere that Bibi cratered to Obama because he writes the checks...how can anyone with an ounce of brains make that claim? Bibi just handed commieboy his ass.

HH


Well they cannot make that claim now... but then those guys do not have a ounce of brains between em.


So true.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:47:18 PM EST
Ever wonder if the Commie will order us to attack Isreal............................. Some fucked up shit but I've been wondering.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:47:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Originally Posted By Regency:
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.


Read all of Joel's books...he's really good.

HH


The guy is flat out an amazing author. And the interviews that he has done with Russian politicians is quite scary. All ARFcommers should read his stuff if they believe in God or not.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:47:56 PM EST
Three cheers to Bibi !!!

Israel gave in to the Palestinians and left Gaza 4 years ago. Now they're being attacked from there. That about says it all.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:47:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank:
According to the obongo , the US has no right in telling other countries how to run their affairs. Why is he trying to tell Israel how to run theirs?


Well, he tried but Bibi just told him his gameplan, and there's no way Jerusalem will be split...and no way the palis give up their weapons. He will still allow natural expansion of settlements, just not create any new ones.

commieboy won't be calling the shots there.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:48:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By No-Worries:
Three cheers to Bibi !!!

Israel gave in to the Palestinians and left Gaza 4 years ago. Now they're being attacked from there. That about says it all.


Sure did come back to bite them hard...that mistake won't happen again.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:50:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Regency:
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Originally Posted By Regency:
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.


Read all of Joel's books...he's really good.

HH


The guy is flat out an amazing author. And the interviews that he has done with Russian politicians is quite scary. All ARFcommers should read his stuff if they believe in God or not.


I just started "Inside the Revolution"....another amazing work.

HH
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 2:57:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now because Netanyahu laid out a perfectly reasonable plan that would the give the Palestinians their State... That plan should have been what Obama laid out in Egypt.

Obama is in a box now he will get no backing in this Country to force Israel past the reasonable plan Netanyahu offered. He can offer no one on either side anything and will look impotent sitting in the corner.

Netanyahu handed Obama his own ass on a plate and he can do little about it.


That's because Obama's a fucking amateur that had no business getting involved in the first place..
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:13:39 PM EST
Interesting than Israel was formed out of the same terrorist attacks that people scream about today. Furthermore, the Israels have the water rights, which they can't/wont give up, so it will be a continual war for water rights in the region. As everyone knows you don't have water in the desert you die.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:15:42 PM EST
Uhoh...the palis aren't happy with Bibi's conditions for a 2-state solution.

HH
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White House Calls Netanyahu Speech 'Important Step Forward' in Peace Process

The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Palestinians, though, did not react warmly to the address.

FOXNews.com

Sunday, June 14, 2009

White House praised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's conditional endorsement Sunday of a Palestinian state as an "important step forward" in the Middle East peace process, even as Palestinian leaders condemned the prime minister's terms as unreasonable.

The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Speaking near Tel Aviv, he said Israel would be ready to accept such a state provided the Palestinians recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people, as well as demilitarize their territories and offer security guarantees for Israel.

"The president welcomes the important step forward in Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a written statement. "The president is committed to two states, a Jewish state of Israel and an independent Palestine, in the historic homeland of both peoples. He believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfillment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal."

Sunday's address was widely seen as a response to Obama's address to the Muslim world from Cairo more than a week ago.

However, while Netanyahu said he supports the "idea of a regional peace that (Obama) is leading," he by no means echoed Obama's talking points on the matter.

In contrast to Obama, Netanyahu clearly shifted the burden for peace away from the Jewish state and onto the Palestinian people. He pushed back on criticism of Israeli settlements and the suggestion that his country is not doing all it can to achieve peace, while calling for Jerusalem to remain the "united capital" of Israel.

"We want peace," Netanyahu declared Sunday. He said the Palestinians, though, prevent peace by refusing to recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people and attacking Israelis.

"The closer we get to an agreement with them, the further they retreat and raise demands that are inconsistent with a true desire to end the conflict," he said.

Netanyahu made clear in his address that his administration sees Palestinian cooperation, not Israeli cooperation, as the missing link in the peace process –– potentially setting the stage for more delays and finger-pointing.

Palestinians did not react warmly to Netanyahu's address, despite the optimistic tone of the statement out of the White House Sunday.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said Sunday that Netanyahu "failed to set the stage for negotiations," accusing the prime minister of putting unreasonable demands on the Palestinian people and refusing to endorse a comprehensive settlement freeze.

The Jerusalem Post reported that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' advisers are accusing Netanyahu of "burying the peace process" with his speech.

At the same time, the newspaper reported that Israeli conservatives are accusing Netanyahu of succumbing to Obama's demands for Palestinian statehood. Obama said in Cairo that a two-state solution is the "only resolution."

Given the mixed reaction, it is unclear in the near term whether the speech will trigger the kind of progress the White House seeks or heal the perceived rift between Washington and Jerusalem.

Netanyahu also did not explicitly endorse Obama's call for an absolute halt to settlement growth that includes a halt on "natural growth" of existing settlements.

Netanyahu said Sunday that Israel has no plans to build additional settlements or expand existing communities but that the settlers must be allowed to live "normal" lives.

He said the settlers are not the "enemies of peace" but are "our brothers and sisters" –– and he said the idea that territorial withdrawal will bring peace has "not stood the test of reality," as every withdrawal is met with "massive waves of terror."

Obama's remarks on Israeli settlements took a much firmer tone.

"The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements," Obama said in Cairo. "This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."

Though some have suggested Obama is putting the extra pressure on Israel in order to appease the Arab world, Vice President Biden said Sunday that's not the case. After all, Obama called on Palestinians to abandon violence in his address and described as "unbreakable" the bond between the two countries.

"He made it clear we're not distancing ourself from Israel," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press. "(Palestinians) have to stop this baiting of their population, they have to stop incitement. ... They have to do something more than just talk about normalizing relations with Israel."
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:23:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Regency:
I am reading the "Epicenter" right now.

(Book on prophecy from Ezekiel)

Israel will receive no help from anyone including the U.S.

Oh, they will receive help alright
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:27:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 3:35:49 PM EST by crishel]

Originally Posted By Chromekilla:
Interesting than Israel was formed out of the same terrorist attacks that people scream about today. Furthermore, the Israels have the water rights, which they can't/wont give up, so it will be a continual war for water rights in the region. As everyone knows you don't have water in the desert you die.

This post is an absolute travesty against truth. And furthermore Israel setup all its own irrigation systems, and turned a bog / desert area into a blossoming country. Control all the water? Get your facts straight, just because they labored to setup their OWN filtration / purification systems, you think if they don't let everyone take it from them, they control it? Wrong.

Yeah, I know I know, its ALWAYS the EVIL Jews fault. Not.

You would bloody think that with all the land the Arabs own over there, people would stop bashing the Jewish people for owning a piece of land, that was given to them thousands of years ago, which is smaller then some US states.

Enough of the anti Jewish propaganda. I love the way they find coins to this day, they date them at thousands of years old (by TIME Magazine and others no less) and the coins themselves show Roman and Jewish iconics on them. Oh yeah, they stole the land. Get real. And all the pictures of the artifacts all over the internet across the world, those are all fake also.

Heck even some of the Arabs in Jerusalem will tell you straight faced its always been the Jews land. Liars to I guess? Go over their to Jerusalem or Tiberius and say the stuff that gets posted on here and the Haredi will laugh at your while pulling the Hasidic's off you for lieing about their heritage.

People spew so much mis information about Israel its unreal.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:37:18 PM EST
The aftermath of The Kenyan's meeting with Netanyahu.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:39:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Obama has a problem now


When it comes to foreign policy, Obama has NOTHING but problems. Almost all of them are self-created.
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