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Posted: 4/30/2015 2:50:28 PM EDT
I saw this late '70s movie called The Big Fix the other day starring Richard Dreyfuss and was thoroughly entertained and surprised a movie of that production seemed to have escaped my radar for all these years.  Just when you thought you've seen or heard about all of the movies in the '70s, along comes another gem like that.

Dustin Hoffman has been in some very good movies as well, like The Graduate and Rain Man.   Even Tootsie.

So who was the better actor?
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Not even a contest
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The Hoff!
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When I think of Hoffman, a lot of great roles come to mind. One that really jumps out at me is 1978's "Straight Time." Max Dembo is about as far from Ben Braddock as you can get, but Hoffman pulled off both of them, and did it really well.

On range alone, I'd go with Hoffman.
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At least Hoffman hasn't been reduced to sitcom drivel like You Family or Mine

Why Richard, why?

ETA While they are both great actors in general I enjoyed the movies with Dreyfuss more.

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Hoffman.



From the movies I have watched with Dreyfuss he always seemed a good fit for the goofy type Dad characters.
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Originally Posted By runcible:
When I think of Hoffman, a lot of great roles come to mind. One that really jumps out at me is 1978's "Straight Time." Max Dembo is about as far from Ben Braddock as you can get, but Hoffman pulled off both of them, and did it really well.

On range alone, I'd go with Hoffman.
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I was going to mention Straight Time, but it lost out to Tootsie.

Straight Time and The Big Fix would be two very good movies in which to compare each actor.

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Hoffman. Dreyfus plays Dreyfus with a script.
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Didn't Dreyfus play C3P0 in Star Wars?
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I was going to mention Straight Time, but it lost out to Tootsie.

Straight Time and The Big Fix would be two very good movies in which to compare each actor.

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Originally Posted By runcible:
When I think of Hoffman, a lot of great roles come to mind. One that really jumps out at me is 1978's "Straight Time." Max Dembo is about as far from Ben Braddock as you can get, but Hoffman pulled off both of them, and did it really well.

On range alone, I'd go with Hoffman.


I was going to mention Straight Time, but it lost out to Tootsie.

Straight Time and The Big Fix would be two very good movies in which to compare each actor.


And they were actually both in "The Graduate."

Hoffman was also hilarious in "Ishtar." (A movie that is remembered as a lot worse than it was-usually by people who've never seen it.)
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It is indeed possible to draw your gun before you touch it
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That's one of my favorite movies, period.
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Dreyfuss ruined JAWS. He was totally unbelievable when he was talking about his scars.
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That's one of my favorite movies, period.
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It is indeed possible to draw your gun before you touch it

That's one of my favorite movies, period.

Me too.

I need to buy it or find it online. The boy hasn't seen it yet. Gotta get that fixed.
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Alls I know is that Dryfuss isn't as good a driver as Hoffman...
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You're gonna need a bigger poll.
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Tough one. Both are really great actors.
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I was thinking the other day, how creepy would it have been if a dude tried to make out with a retarded women like Tom Cruise's girlfriend tried to do with Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man?

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Both liberal scum to me.
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Dreyfuss was good in Jaws and CE, but for me, that's about it.

Hoffman has been excellent in almost everything he's been in, except for Meet the Parents.
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Papillon
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Oh wow, I'd totally forgotten about that one.  End of thread.

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No contest.

Dreyfuss is very good and I've always liked him as an actor.

But Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy gave what I think is probably the finest performance ever by an actor, equalled only by Jon Voight's in that same film.  

He's also superb in Tootsie (not everyone can do tragedy and comedy both).  Lots of other films besides.
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And they were actually both in "The Graduate."
Hoffman was also hilarious in "Ishtar." (A movie that is remembered as a lot worse than it was-usually by people who've never seen it.)
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Originally Posted By runcible:



When I think of Hoffman, a lot of great roles come to mind. One that really jumps out at me is 1978's "Straight Time." Max Dembo is about as far from Ben Braddock as you can get, but Hoffman pulled off both of them, and did it really well.
On range alone, I'd go with Hoffman.

I was going to mention Straight Time, but it lost out to Tootsie.
Straight Time and The Big Fix would be two very good movies in which to compare each actor.




And they were actually both in "The Graduate."
Hoffman was also hilarious in "Ishtar." (A movie that is remembered as a lot worse than it was-usually by people who've never seen it.)




I actually love Ishar and think it was high-larious. Sometimes unintentionally, but it's good stuff.
As for the question at hand, I'd say Hoffman is definitely the better actor, but I'd say that Dreyfuss movies generally entertain me more than Hoffman ones do. Moon Over Parador is another one of those "bad movie/guilty pleasures" that I think is awesome and amusing as hell.
 
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I actually love Ishar and think it was high-larious. Sometimes unintentionally, but it's good stuff.

As for the question at hand, I'd say Hoffman is definitely the better actor, but I Dreyfuss movies generally entertain me more than Hoffman ones do. Moon Over Parador is another one of those "bad movie/guilty pleasures" that I think is awesome and amusing as hell.
 
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Originally Posted By runcible:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Originally Posted By runcible:
When I think of Hoffman, a lot of great roles come to mind. One that really jumps out at me is 1978's "Straight Time." Max Dembo is about as far from Ben Braddock as you can get, but Hoffman pulled off both of them, and did it really well.

On range alone, I'd go with Hoffman.


I was going to mention Straight Time, but it lost out to Tootsie.

Straight Time and The Big Fix would be two very good movies in which to compare each actor.


And they were actually both in "The Graduate."

Hoffman was also hilarious in "Ishtar." (A movie that is remembered as a lot worse than it was-usually by people who've never seen it.)

I actually love Ishar and think it was high-larious. Sometimes unintentionally, but it's good stuff.

As for the question at hand, I'd say Hoffman is definitely the better actor, but I Dreyfuss movies generally entertain me more than Hoffman ones do. Moon Over Parador is another one of those "bad movie/guilty pleasures" that I think is awesome and amusing as hell.
 

Ah, a kindred spirit. I couldn't tell you how many times I've watched that movie. All it really needs is a little tweaking, cut down on a few of the areas where it drags.

The scene where Hoffman sings the song that he wrote for the old couple's anniversary is comedy gold.

"Love In My Will"

I promised I'd love you forever
A promise I'm planning to keep

You'll be well taken care of after I'm gone
Off to the land of the big sleep

I'm leaving some love in my will
Yes, I'm leaving some love in my will

My life is nearly over
And time goes by so fast

That I wanted to give you a present
To thank you for the past
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Little Big man
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Mrs. Robinson says Hoffman.
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I don't care for either very much.  But Dreyfus plays an honest character because it is him he's playing.  Hoffman puts on too much character "stuff" which makes his performances less believable.   He didn't do that in The Graduate and that's why many think that is an iconic performance. Straw Dogs and Marathon Man are in the same realm when it was still earlier in his career.  Other roles, not so much.
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I don't care for either very much.  But Dreyfus plays an honest character because it is him he's playing.  Hoffman puts on too much character "stuff" which makes his performances less believable.   He didn't do that in The Graduate and that's why many think that is an iconic performance. Straw Dogs and Marathon Man are in the same realm when it was still earlier in his career.  Other roles, not so much.
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Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:

Hoffman. Dreyfus plays Dreyfus with a script.




I don't care for either very much.  But Dreyfus plays an honest character because it is him he's playing.  Hoffman puts on too much character "stuff" which makes his performances less believable.   He didn't do that in The Graduate and that's why many think that is an iconic performance. Straw Dogs and Marathon Man are in the same realm when it was still earlier in his career.  Other roles, not so much.


An actor turns himself into the character. He doesn't turn the character into himself. I enjoy his performances, mostly, but he has no range.



 
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I loved Let it Ride
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Where's they both suck option?
Can't stand either of them especially Hoffman.
They are just as bad as Bill Murry, another non talented POS!
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This
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Marathon Man.   So much awesome between Hoffman and Olivier.
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An actor turns himself into the character. He doesn't turn the character into himself. I enjoy his performances, mostly, but he has no range.
 
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Originally Posted By flyhack72:
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Hoffman. Dreyfus plays Dreyfus with a script.


I don't care for either very much.  But Dreyfus plays an honest character because it is him he's playing.  Hoffman puts on too much character "stuff" which makes his performances less believable.   He didn't do that in The Graduate and that's why many think that is an iconic performance. Straw Dogs and Marathon Man are in the same realm when it was still earlier in his career.  Other roles, not so much.

An actor turns himself into the character. He doesn't turn the character into himself. I enjoy his performances, mostly, but he has no range.
 


That's like your opinion man.  I was a professional stage actor for 15 years.  AEA member.  There are character actors and straight actors. Hoffman started as a straight actor and turned to a character actor.  Dreyfus has always been a straight actor.

Stanford Meisner, one of the most influential acting teachers in the 20th century, says "acting is living truthfully under imaginary circumstances."

The common brief is that actors "put on" character traits.  That is not true.  It's actually the opposite.  They often remove "covers" and traits that would conceal reality so they can be the true expression of themselves in the circumstances that the character lives in.  This is primarily why we have type casting.  Keaton playing his role in Birdman is a perfect example of this.
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