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Posted: 8/10/2008 10:40:18 PM EDT

Hi,
 Thanks for the reply.....am sorry i replied late....I have gone through your ad on craigslist and i am  interested in purchasing the above mentioned.Please provide your name and address for payment. I am paying by  MONEY ORDER . You should receive payment within the coming week( 2-3days time). As per pick-up, I will make arrangement with the manager of my shipping.moving company to come forpick-up after payment has been received by you. l would appreciate if you take the posting off craigslist today and consider it sold to me.I dont mind adding twenty dollars so you can keep it in my favor.My assistant will mail out the payment to your address ok.Once payment is received we can proceed with the pickup.Thanks for your understanding and patience.Hope i can trust you with my money?Do have a nice
time...
Regards,
Thanks.



Can you believe the arrogance of this guy?
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:42:04 PM EDT
[#1]
whats wrong?
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:44:36 PM EDT
[#2]
now the Nigerians are invading?
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:44:51 PM EDT
[#3]
I dont see a problem here.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:45:14 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
whats wrong?


it has scam written all over it
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:46:20 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I dont see a problem here.
+1 He obviously wants whatever it is and is willing to throw in an extra twenty.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:46:57 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:48:55 PM EDT
[#7]
You might even wake up in a bath tub and missing both kidneys.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:52:03 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.


all the signs

1 poor english
2 money order
3 overpay
4 assistant/associate will pay
5 shipping company pick up


and besides  even if it was legit I don't end auctions or remove ads until they guy walks up to me cash in hand and the item goes away THEN the ad gets removed no waiting for 2-3 days bullshit
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 10:52:39 PM EDT
[#9]
i dont read arrogance, but it is painfully obvious that this is some Nigerian scammer fishing around
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 11:42:20 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.


I wrote him that I WOULD hold the M.O. until it clears,  and WOULD NOT remove the ad. I **MIGHT** put "Sold Pending Funds" on the ad.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 11:52:01 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.


all the signs

1 poor english
2 money order
3 overpay
4 assistant/associate will pay
5 shipping company pick up


and besides  even if it was legit I don't end auctions or remove ads until they guy walks up to me cash in hand and the item goes away THEN the ad gets removed no waiting for 2-3 days bullshit


so, he gets the MO and takes it to the bank to get cash, if he gets it, no prob, if he doesn't then he just re-list.

I don't see a scam here because there is nothing to lose.

YMMV

Link Posted: 8/10/2008 11:53:08 PM EDT
[#12]
His space bar is broken...................................

Link Posted: 8/10/2008 11:56:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Are you guys joking, or naive? .  The problem is the MO gets cashed but you find out a week or two later it was no good.
Link Posted: 8/10/2008 11:58:02 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Are you guys joking, or naive? .  The problem is the MO gets cashed but you find out a week or two later it was no good.


That's what I'm saying: I 'll hold the MO till it turns into real money. Hmmm... how long till the bank tells me this?
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 12:05:50 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Are you guys joking, or naive? .  The problem is the MO gets cashed but you find out a week or two later it was no good.


That's what I'm saying: I 'll hold the MO till it turns into real money. Hmmm... how long till the bank tells me this?


I don't know how long, but I would want it in writing from the bank and not word of mouth form some branch employee.  Banks have more ways to screw with your money than a socialist.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 12:11:21 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Are you guys joking, or naive? .  The problem is the MO gets cashed but you find out a week or two later it was no good.



+1


If you didn't see that this is a scam, you need to have your bullshit detector calibrated.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 12:15:57 AM EDT
[#17]
Let him know you can only take a USPS or Bank issued MO. Cashier's Check would be the best.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 12:18:30 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
so, he gets the MO and takes it to the bank to get cash, if he gets it, no prob, if he doesn't then he just re-list.

I don't see a scam here because there is nothing to lose.

YMMV


moneycentral.msn.com/content/savinganddebt/consumeractionguide/p122096.asp


A Kentucky woman who advertised for a roommate received several fake money orders from a woman in England who said her company was relocating her to the U.S. and paying her expenses. The victim was told to take a month's rent and the security deposit from the money orders and return the rest.

The victim deposited the bogus money orders in her account at University of Kentucky Federal Credit Union. The credit union cashed them, but then made the victim reimburse the amount when it was determined the money orders were counterfeit. As you can imagine, the victim, who was out a considerable amount of money, was incensed that the credit union didn't catch the fakes.

...
In this particular case, Sisler points out, even if the credit union had put the 11-day hold allowed under special circumstances, it wouldn't have helped because it took three weeks for the counterfeits to be returned.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 1:21:21 AM EDT
[#19]
"es I accept Money orders.United States Post Office money orders only.Cash it the PO if it's less than $5K?Just a guess,it looks like a scam to me though.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 1:51:42 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.


I wrote him that I WOULD hold the M.O. until it clears,  and WOULD NOT remove the ad. I **MIGHT** put "Sold Pending Funds" on the ad.



It's a scam, dude. I guarantee it. Don't even waste your time responding to him.

ETA: The funds might actually clear. In which case, the bank will take their money back from YOU a few weeks down the road.  Again, it's 100% scam.  
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 1:58:15 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong?


I'm pretty sure that is the set-up for a scam. The money order will likely be counterfeit.


all the signs

1 poor english
2 money order
3 overpay
4 assistant/associate will pay
5 shipping company pick up


and besides  even if it was legit I don't end auctions or remove ads until they guy walks up to me cash in hand and the item goes away THEN the ad gets removed no waiting for 2-3 days bullshit


so, he gets the MO and takes it to the bank to get cash, if he gets it, no prob, if he doesn't then he just re-list.

I don't see a scam here because there is nothing to lose.

YMMV



Pure scammage.  The bank may cash it, but will take it back from your account a month later.

Try posting another random ad on Craigslist.  I bet you get the same email from the same guy, word for word.  Notice how the guy doesn't mention any specifics in the email.  Craigslist is full of scammers because it's easy to be anonymous.  Deal only locally on Craigslist.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 2:40:59 PM EDT
[#22]
The "paying extra" bit is classic as well, usually they try to get you to refund some cash money $$$$ plus your item, you get stuck with the bill and they have your shit plus cash.

PS all arguments aside, this particular email is 100% certainly a craigslist scam.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 2:48:40 PM EDT
[#23]
I can't believe nobody has mentioned that the email doesn't actually say what the item is.  It's a generic cut-and-paste email, they don't even bother changing the ad to say "your jeep" or "your laptop" or whatever the item is.

Link Posted: 8/11/2008 2:57:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Tell him to go F**k his goat.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 3:00:47 PM EDT
[#25]
At least he didn't Low Ball you!
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 3:04:51 PM EDT
[#26]
i've sold a bunch of stuff on craigslist and have had the exact same email and/or slight variations of it many times on each add i placed...look at the avoid scams blurb craigslist has..this one is mentioned....it's pure bullshit...
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 3:14:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Yep....complete scam.  Do a little research on the web.  His email fits the profile to a T.

Tell him to have his "assistant", drive the cash over to you...and then you will release the merchandise.

MO's, Cashiers Checks, etc. are all easily forged and may not be figured out to be a fake by your bank for weeks....at which point, your stuff has been picked up never to be found.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 3:17:24 PM EDT
[#28]
Just send an email back saying :  "I'll tell you when your payment has cleared and you can then make arrangements for pick-up".

Problem solved.
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 9:14:40 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Just send an email back saying :  "I'll tell you when your payment has cleared and you can then make arrangements for pick-up".

Problem solved.



That's essentially what I did. Here's the latest:

By the way... where will the item be shipped?


On 8/11/08, Frank Symptoms <[email protected]> wrote:
That is fine. However, as I mentioned, due to the abundance of Internet frauds, I will keep the money order for up to 6 weeks before I ship the item
Thanks!


On 8/11/08, curtis raymond <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello
I want to alert you on something,the MONEY ORDERS  is going to be issued
Bad grammar: Check!

,I have a
shipping company that will be comming

Bad spelling: Check!

to pick up the item that collided us
More bad grammar + "generic" description of item: Check!

together and i will be adding the shipping cost together with the amount for
the item,so once you received the  MONEY ORDERS, you are going to take it to your
bank and have it cashed out then you'll deduct your money then send the
remaining balance Via MoneyGram/Western Union  to the movers as they collect
their money up front.Hope this is clear to you.Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards.  



WEEEE HAVVAAA WINNAAAAAA!
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 9:16:39 PM EDT
[#30]
They fuck with me... I fuck with them. BTW in case anyone doesn't know, the entire fraud is nothing new to me.

Where can I take a M.O. to have it checked for authenticity? State Police, FBI, the local Moose Lodge?
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 11:16:53 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
They fuck with me... I fuck with them. BTW in case anyone doesn't know, the entire fraud is nothing new to me.

Where can I take a M.O. to have it checked for authenticity? State Police, FBI, the local Moose Lodge?


not sure FBI or whatever will not care

banks can vary widely I have seen

Had a co worker get paid for a car on ebay  with a cashiers check
took it in the banks fraud guy said it was not legit and refused to take it and refuses to call the issuing bank and wanted to seize the check
co worker raised holy hell and got the check back from them

co worker  was sceptical so he  took it to his business account bank they said it was legit but he would have to sign documents that he was responsible for it and they could ask for the funds back for 180 days in case the CC came back fake this bank even called the issuing bank and the issuing bank said it was legit

at this point he calls the guy who bought the car  explains what is going on and then the buyer  freaks out thinking my co worker is trying to scam him out of another check

so buyer and seller  call the issuing bank and asks if they  show up at a branch will they give them cash they reply yes

so my co worker has to drive 5 hours to a town he has never been before and gets to drive home with a backpack full of $100 bills
Link Posted: 8/11/2008 11:23:41 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
They fuck with me... I fuck with them. BTW in case anyone doesn't know, the entire fraud is nothing new to me.

Where can I take a M.O. to have it checked for authenticity? State Police, FBI, the local Moose Lodge?


your state atty generals office might be interested.....

since his shippers want the money up front tell him to send th MO to the shippers...they cash it and hand you cash when they pick up the item....
Link Posted: 8/12/2008 1:35:01 AM EDT
[#33]
Tell him to send your payment in gold bullion to your PO box.
Link Posted: 8/12/2008 9:57:21 PM EDT
[#34]
The latest communication from him (Curtis, the buyer):


Ohhh you amazed me by saying you'll keep the money orders for 6 weeks?? What do you mean? All b'cos i want to buy an item...How ever am really curious to get the item in my lovely wife....b'cos am on a business trip so i want you to know that once the money orders has been received ...you're going to have it cashed at your bank and deduct your money for ther item then send balance to my shipper's information via MoneyGram/ Western Union in other for them to come for the pick-up asap...Hope this is clear to you frank....
Have a nice day..
Curtis.



Curtis, you want to get "the item in my lovely wife???" It's a YAKIMA LOAD WARRIOR , you foxy devil! You are buying a luggage rack to "get in your lovely wife?" If you can get that bastard in your lovely wife, she's gotta be build like some kind of earth-moving machine!


Here's my latest reply:


Curtis, because of my financial bind, I'm going to have to insist on cash for this transaction. Sorry, but I cannot wait 6 weeks for the money order to clear. Hope this is OK for you.

Tell you what: Send the money order to your shipper and have him cash it; he can give me the $200 for the rack, and you can keep the extra money, OK?
Link Posted: 8/13/2008 1:33:02 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Hi,
 Thanks for the reply.....am sorry i replied late....I have gone through your ad on craigslist and i am  interested in purchasing the above mentioned.Please provide your name and address for payment. I am paying by  MONEY ORDER . You should receive payment within the coming week( 2-3days time). As per pick-up, I will make arrangement with the manager of my shipping.moving company to come forpick-up after payment has been received by you. l would appreciate if you take the posting off craigslist today and consider it sold to me.I dont mind adding twenty dollars so you can keep it in my favor.My assistant will mail out the payment to your address ok.Once payment is received we can proceed with the pickup.Thanks for your understanding and patience.Hope i can trust you with my money?Do have a nice
time...
Regards,
Thanks.



Can you believe the arrogance of this guy?


Funny thing is that I was recently trying to sell a piece of furniture on Craigslist and I got that response from some guy.  He didn't hit me with that crap until we'd exchanged a few e-mails, though.  I didn't fall for it.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 9:46:18 PM EDT
[#36]
i bet that cashing counterfeit checks is illegal. imagine you get arrested, "i didn't know it was counterfeit" won't hold up in court.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 9:50:35 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
The latest communication from him (Curtis, the buyer):


Ohhh you amazed me by saying you'll keep the money orders for 6 weeks?? What do you mean? All b'cos i want to buy an item...How ever am really curious to get the item in my lovely wife....b'cos am on a business trip so i want you to know that once the money orders has been received ...you're going to have it cashed at your bank and deduct your money for ther item then send balance to my shipper's information via MoneyGram/ Western Union in other for them to come for the pick-up asap...Hope this is clear to you frank....
Have a nice day..
Curtis.



Curtis, you want to get "the item in my lovely wife???" It's a YAKIMA LOAD WARRIOR , you foxy devil! You are buying a luggage rack to "get in your lovely wife?" If you can get that bastard in your lovely wife, she's gotta be build like some kind of earth-moving machine!


Here's my latest reply:


Curtis, because of my financial bind, I'm going to have to insist on cash for this transaction. Sorry, but I cannot wait 6 weeks for the money order to clear. Hope this is OK for you.

Tell you what: Send the money order to your shipper and have him cash it; he can give me the $200 for the rack, and you can keep the extra money, OK?


Completely random hijack here, but I just want to point out that the Yakima LW is a great rack. I've got one on my Xterra and it's tough as nails, easily holds more weight than it's rated for, and doesn't make any noticeable wind noise, even on the interstate.

Hijack over.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 10:37:01 PM EDT
[#38]
I posted up 2 truck parts for $80 and I got one of these. How are people so dumb?
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 10:56:01 PM EDT
[#39]
I feel so......deprived.  Never got one of these.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 11:40:19 PM EDT
[#40]
When I was young and dumber then I am now I almost fell for this exact scam on E-bay.

Luckily a banking friend of mine was able to explain it to me before they got my item and my cash.
Link Posted: 8/16/2008 1:39:21 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The latest communication from him (Curtis, the buyer):


Ohhh you amazed me by saying you'll keep the money orders for 6 weeks?? What do you mean? All b'cos i want to buy an item...How ever am really curious to get the item in my lovely wife....b'cos am on a business trip so i want you to know that once the money orders has been received ...you're going to have it cashed at your bank and deduct your money for ther item then send balance to my shipper's information via MoneyGram/ Western Union in other for them to come for the pick-up asap...Hope this is clear to you frank....
Have a nice day..
Curtis.



Curtis, you want to get "the item in my lovely wife???" It's a YAKIMA LOAD WARRIOR , you foxy devil! You are buying a luggage rack to "get in your lovely wife?" If you can get that bastard in your lovely wife, she's gotta be build like some kind of earth-moving machine!


Here's my latest reply:


Curtis, because of my financial bind, I'm going to have to insist on cash for this transaction. Sorry, but I cannot wait 6 weeks for the money order to clear. Hope this is OK for you.

Tell you what: Send the money order to your shipper and have him cash it; he can give me the $200 for the rack, and you can keep the extra money, OK?


Completely random hijack here, but I just want to point out that the Yakima LW is a great rack. I've got one on my Xterra and it's tough as nails, easily holds more weight than it's rated for, and doesn't make any noticeable wind noise, even on the interstate.

Hijack over.


Oh I agree, it is tough as nails. Mine is even outfitted with an electric, remote-controlled antenna raiser! That's why I'm selling it for a premium.

Did you notice a decrease in gas mileage when you used yours empty? I lost about 2 mpg or about 10%.
Link Posted: 8/16/2008 1:41:04 PM EDT
[#42]
This clown just doesn't give up!

Here's his latest:


On 8/16/08, curtis raymond <[email protected]> wrote:
You we;ve talk thisover before you went aheadand sell the item....Soiwant you to know this well,once the money orders asrrives kindly cash it out and remit your money and deduct $10 and have the rest sent to my mover's information b'cos i have alot of item to be picked up..
Hope this is clear to you?


And here's my reply:


No, I think that the only fair thing to do is to send the money order back to you. And please, don't threaten me with your 'hammer of dead,' either, OK?
Link Posted: 8/16/2008 1:43:48 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
I posted up 2 truck parts for $80 and I got one of these. How are people so dumb?


He can respond to hundreds of ads per month and it costs him nothing. But if he hits just ONE sucker, he's made a day's wages!

And, yes, some people ARE that dumb. I wish I could get ahold of some of Obama's supporter's addresses...
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 8:05:38 AM EDT
[#44]
223 Putter


I LOL'd....

Link Posted: 8/20/2008 9:04:35 PM EDT
[#45]
Well, he's back. I thought this guy was finished with me after I sent him the following:


No, I think that the only fair thing to do is to send the money order back to you. And please, don't threaten me with your 'hammer of dead,' either, OK?


Today I received TWO replies:



Hello Frank Symptoms...I want to assure you that the payment will definately get to you and once the payment is received i want you to cash it out  straight away and deduct your money plus the offer and send the rest of the balance to the mover's information VIA WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER and once the money is confirmed and received by them they will defiantely come for the pick-up of the item asap.

Below is the information needed to send balance :


Receiver's Name  : Robinson Rojas

Receiver's City  : Madison

Receiver's State : New Jersey

Receiver's Zip Code  : 07940

After making the sending the money to this information,you will have to send me the following informations about the transfer.

The MTCN  Number
Senders Name and Address
Total Amount you send

Once the money is received the mover's will definately come for the pick-up of the item next day.
I will wait to hear from you upon receipt of this mail.

Thank you.
Curtis.



Hello,
       How are you today?Hope you're doing great...am so much sorry for not emailing you  quiet some days for now,I went on a business trip  that was why  i could not able to mail you......My assistant told me that she re-issued the payment it wasn't money order that she re-issued a CHECK to you b'cos the money orders was missing on the road to delivery............I would like to know if you have received the payment??If you have received it i need to you take it to your bank or any grocery stores around you have have the payment cashed out and deduct your money.
  I will send you the information to send the rest of the balance after i contact the shipper for their western union information so that the money can be sent to them and picked up and as soon as the money has been picked up they will definately come for the shipping of the item asap.Hope you have great day.
I will wait to read from you today.
Thx,
Curtis.


I guess he just wants to do business with me sooo much, he won't give up till he gets his money out of me.

This time... I think I will let the Hivemind decide how to answer him. Be sure you'fe read the ENTIRE thread to date, then submit your suggestions on how to deal with him. Note that he has my home address.  Let's send him off with a bang!

ETA


After making the sending the money to this information,you will have to send me the following informations about the transfer.

The MTCN Number
Senders Name and Address
Total Amount you send



What is the MTCN number?
Link Posted: 8/31/2008 10:24:35 AM EDT
[#46]
He's still trying:


Hello Frank,How are you doing?Pls i want to know if you've received
the payment??Kindly get intouch with me soon.
Have a nice day..
Thx.

Curtis.

Link Posted: 8/31/2008 9:36:55 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
The latest communication from him (Curtis, the buyer):


Ohhh you amazed me by saying you'll keep the money orders for 6 weeks?? What do you mean? All b'cos i want to buy an item...How ever am really curious to get the item in my lovely wife....b'cos am on a business trip so i want you to know that once the money orders has been received ...you're going to have it cashed at your bank and deduct your money for ther item then send balance to my shipper's information via MoneyGram/ Western Union in other for them to come for the pick-up asap...Hope this is clear to you frank....
Have a nice day..
Curtis.



Curtis, you want to get "the item in my lovely wife???" It's a YAKIMA LOAD WARRIOR , you foxy devil! You are buying a luggage rack to "get in your lovely wife?" If you can get that bastard in your lovely wife, she's gotta be build like some kind of earth-moving machine!


Here's my latest reply:


Curtis, because of my financial bind, I'm going to have to insist on cash for this transaction. Sorry, but I cannot wait 6 weeks for the money order to clear. Hope this is OK for you.

Tell you what: Send the money order to your shipper and have him cash it; he can give me the $200 for the rack, and you can keep the extra money, OK?


Completely random hijack here, but I just want to point out that the Yakima LW is a great rack. I've got one on my Xterra and it's tough as nails, easily holds more weight than it's rated for, and doesn't make any noticeable wind noise, even on the interstate.

Hijack over.


Oh I agree, it is tough as nails. Mine is even outfitted with an electric, remote-controlled antenna raiser! That's why I'm selling it for a premium.

Did you notice a decrease in gas mileage when you used yours empty? I lost about 2 mpg or about 10%.


Hmmm. That sucks. I don't blame ya for wanting to get rid of it.

That's actually something I was concerned about, since the shape of my Xterra is already kinda bulbous and the rack sits up high, so I paid attention to it and I couldn't tell any difference. I did remove my factory fairing when I put it up, though. I don't know if that made any difference, but since I didn't see a decrease in MPG I left the rack on.  

Link Posted: 8/31/2008 9:39:06 PM EDT
[#48]
Sounds very educated.
Link Posted: 8/31/2008 9:41:32 PM EDT
[#49]
I am getting real sick of the idiots on craigslist.  Between the trade offers and lowballs and inquiries with no followups.  I have sold a few things on there but have gotton so many emails from complete jackasses.  When something is for sale for $200, $50 cash in most cases will not be an acceptible offer.
Link Posted: 8/31/2008 9:57:30 PM EDT
[#50]
I would probably just tell him it already sold to somebody for cash and just forget about the nigerian.



Or you can tell him to mail you a VISA gift card with $200 credit on it. Once you get the VISA gift card you can call the 1800# on the back and verify the ammount. or something.

Tell him you need a picture of him standing infront of his house holding a sign saying "I live ARFCOM" hahahah.
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