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Posted: 3/19/2006 9:54:47 PM EDT
[#1]
ibtp
buckshot. birdshot will not penetrate to cause reliable injury, and a slug will overpenetrate. that said, buck is NOT a magic bullet that will instantly stop bad guys and not overpenetrate. buck penetrates simiarly to a light pistol bullet, meaning it WILL overpenetrate dry wall walls with more than enough energy to hurt people beyond the wall. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 9:58:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Slug, 00 Buckshot, Slug, 00 Buckshot, Slug
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Posted: 3/19/2006 9:59:33 PM EDT
[#3]
I just want to see the results.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 9:59:46 PM EDT
[#4]
00 Buck, Brenekee Slug. repeat. Knock em down nail em to the floor
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:02:16 PM EDT
[#5]
I'd just call the police and hide in a closet.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:03:00 PM EDT
[#6]
5.56x45mm
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:03:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Get rid of the shotgun, and use a rifle.
If you MUST use a shotgun, use 00 buckshot. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:05:44 PM EDT
[#8]
00
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:07:34 PM EDT
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Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:11:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:13:31 PM EDT
[#11]
An AR
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:19:34 PM EDT
[#12]
00/000 buck
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:21:09 PM EDT
[#13]
Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows? |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:23 PM EDT
[#14]
That, or Stan Bulmer and the Extreme Shock guy! |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:32 PM EDT
[#15]
00 or #1 buck.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:46 PM EDT
[#16]
That's pretty much my line of thinking... I know some will say #1 buck is the best, and others use the "tactical" stuff - but I have about a case of Remington 2 and 3/4" OO buckshot that I got a smokin deal on, patterns decently out of my shotguns - and I figure that if I need to use it, I'll be just fine... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:24:51 PM EDT
[#17]
I use 2 3/4" .00 Buck.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:28:56 PM EDT
[#18]
Dragonsbreath? Not only burn the badguy to death, but you can torch your entire house at the same time.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 10:39:22 PM EDT
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Most on this board are well informed, so you ain't likely to get the birdshot answer you're looking for here either. Lots of cops carry shotguns for AP use. How many of them do you think load up with birdshot? ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=13&t=28057 ETA: By the looks of the poll results, you are the only 1 of 37 who has voted birdshot. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 1:52:47 AM EDT
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No that Ayoob guy. They did tests with birdshot and buckshot to measure penetration with the best effect on humans. They concluded #4 was the best compromise. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 2:18:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2006 2:35:11 AM EDT
[#22]
I've seen people flee the scene of a shooting where birdshot is used. (bangers buy it because it's the cheapest 12 ga ammo out there) It leave NASTY wounds but isn't incapacitating. Even contact wounds are not thru and thru.
Buckshot is the way to go. 
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Posted: 3/20/2006 2:41:25 AM EDT
[#23]
I voted bird shot just to skew the results.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 2:49:48 AM EDT
[#24]
It's just my personal opinion but I think you're investing too much thought into this. Just load your SG with 00 buck and feel safe about it.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:37:48 AM EDT
[#25]
# 4 buck -Winchester XX to be specific.IMHO.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:41:42 AM EDT
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I have both Federal Low Recoil Tactical 9 Pellet 00 Buckshot (6 rounds) and Remington Low Recoil Law Enforcement 1 oz. Slug (5 rounds) in the ammo carriers on my 590 Mossy.
So I have a choice depending upon what I want to do. If I need to put a round through my bedroom door to engage a target on the other side, I'll probably load the slug. If I want to shoot down the stairwell to the landing below, I might use either the 00 Buck or the slug. I can keep my options open depending upon the tactical situation. This is one of the advantages of the shotgun.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:41:57 AM EDT
[#27]
Tag for some more crazy ass suggestions.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 4:56:39 AM EDT
[#28]
I'd use a mix of different rounds:
1st shot..........rock salt/ pepper spray just in case there were identification problems, hostage or collateral damage 2nd & 3rd.......00 buckshot 4th & 5th.......Slug (just incase he was a BMF and was able to survive and run away!) for distance! ..........but that's just me! |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 5:21:15 AM EDT
[#29]
I like to load as follows:
1- Birdshot 2-Buckshot 3 - Slug 4- Buckshot 5- Slug 6- Buckshot 7-Slug If I have multiple targets in the hall I figured birdshot won't kill them but it will hit all of them. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 5:43:09 AM EDT
[#30]
I would just rack the shotgun, should scare the criminals into leaving.
but seriously I agree with slug, 00 Buck, slug, 00 Buck, slug. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 5:44:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Birdshot is a terrible defense load.
See the following: www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm It's not like we haven't plowed this ground before. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 5:46:36 AM EDT
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No reputable shotgun instructor recommends mixing rounds in the magazine. In a firefight, you are not going to remember what is next up. Load 00 Buck. It will do the job. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 5:55:22 AM EDT
[#33]
Yup - as usual, O_P is on the mark... I figure I'm pretty safe with all OO buck in my defensive shotgun - and if they're far enough away for me to need a slug, the threat's probably passed, anyways... OR, I'll have time to transition to a rifle - most likely an AK clone, or an FAL - then, it's ON, BABY!!! - georgestrings |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:02:16 AM EDT
[#34]
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:20:36 AM EDT
[#35]
...for Quail at close range. For bad guys, use 00 Buckshot. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:25:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:30:27 AM EDT
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That Pirhana load! A load full of metal shards.
A turkey load first for me. #4 shot. If that doesn't do the job and they are still a threat, 00 buck. After seeing all the info here, I may change my mind though. There was once a time where I thought I would only incapacitate the threat i.e. leg shot. That thought lasted about 30 secs. If you're in my home, and don't stop at a verbal warning, I will just assume you would be willing to hurt myself or my family. And, I'm not about to let you sue me for shooting you afterward. You get the point. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:31:09 AM EDT
[#38]
I bet those Yankees don't even know what Skillet Shooting quail is.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:32:38 AM EDT
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Same here... |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:32:55 AM EDT
[#40]
www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm some interesting reading on the subject
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:35:00 AM EDT
[#41]
I bet you're right. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 6:36:32 AM EDT
[#42]
I said slugs, but only because I live in the middle of nowhere and overpenetration isn't a problem.
My real choice is m193. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 7:11:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Anyone use the short shells?
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Posted: 3/20/2006 7:18:33 AM EDT
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I have a 20 gauge under the bed loaded with #4 nitro mag shells. I figure that will get the job done.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 7:58:51 AM EDT
[#45]
Are you sure he was not referring to #4 buckshot? |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 8:02:16 AM EDT
[#46]
w00t!
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Posted: 3/20/2006 8:02:41 AM EDT
[#47]
00 Buck.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 8:05:09 AM EDT
[#48]
+1, i'm pretty sure it was buckshot he was talking about. #4 buck penetrates almost exactly 12" in gelatin while having a much larger wound diameter than 00 buck. |
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Posted: 3/20/2006 8:18:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Actually, #1 buckshot is the best compromise. The hard part is just fiding some. Higher pellet count then 00, but since its .30 caliber, it has better penetration then #4.
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Posted: 3/20/2006 8:22:20 AM EDT
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+1 |
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