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Posted: 3/19/2006 9:54:14 PM EDT
Well...lets hear it.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:54:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 9:57:32 PM EDT by Napoleon_Tanerite]
ibtp

buckshot.

birdshot will not penetrate to cause reliable injury, and a slug will overpenetrate.

that said, buck is NOT a magic bullet that will instantly stop bad guys and not overpenetrate. buck penetrates simiarly to a light pistol bullet, meaning it WILL overpenetrate dry wall walls with more than enough energy to hurt people beyond the wall.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:58:19 PM EDT
Slug, 00 Buckshot, Slug, 00 Buckshot, Slug
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:59:33 PM EDT
I just want to see the results.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:59:46 PM EDT
00 Buck, Brenekee Slug. repeat. Knock em down nail em to the floor
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:02:16 PM EDT
I'd just call the police and hide in a closet.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:03:00 PM EDT
5.56x45mm
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:03:33 PM EDT
Get rid of the shotgun, and use a rifle.
If you MUST use a shotgun, use 00 buckshot.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:05:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:07:34 PM EDT
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.

They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:11:57 PM EDT
Flechettes


Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:13:31 PM EDT
An AR
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:19:34 PM EDT
00/000 buck
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:21:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.



Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.



Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows?



That, or Stan Bulmer and the Extreme Shock guy!
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:32 PM EDT
00 or #1 buck.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:23:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Get rid of the shotgun, and use a rifle.
If you MUST use a shotgun, use 00 buckshot.




That's pretty much my line of thinking... I know some will say #1 buck is the best, and others use the "tactical" stuff - but I have about a case of Remington 2 and 3/4" OO buckshot that I got a smokin deal on, patterns decently out of my shotguns - and I figure that if I need to use it, I'll be just fine...



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:24:51 PM EDT
I use 2 3/4" .00 Buck.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:28:56 PM EDT
Dragonsbreath? Not only burn the badguy to death, but you can torch your entire house at the same time.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:39:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 10:41:18 PM EDT by triburst1]

Originally Posted By Msokol13:
Well...lets hear it.



Most on this board are well informed, so you ain't likely to get the birdshot answer you're looking for here either. Lots of cops carry shotguns for AP use. How many of them do you think load up with birdshot?

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=13&t=28057


ETA: By the looks of the poll results, you are the only 1 of 37 who has voted birdshot.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:52:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.



Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows?



No that Ayoob guy. They did tests with birdshot and buckshot to measure penetration with the best effect on humans. They concluded #4 was the best compromise.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:18:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:35:11 AM EDT
I've seen people flee the scene of a shooting where birdshot is used. (bangers buy it because it's the cheapest 12 ga ammo out there) It leave NASTY wounds but isn't incapacitating. Even contact wounds are not thru and thru.

Buckshot is the way to go.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:41:25 AM EDT
I voted bird shot just to skew the results.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:49:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 4:37:48 AM EDT
# 4 buck -Winchester XX to be specific.IMHO.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 4:41:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 4:43:19 AM EDT by Coolio]
I have both Federal Low Recoil Tactical 9 Pellet 00 Buckshot (6 rounds) and Remington Low Recoil Law Enforcement 1 oz. Slug (5 rounds) in the ammo carriers on my 590 Mossy.
So I have a choice depending upon what I want to do. If I need to put a round through my bedroom door to engage a target on the other side, I'll probably load the slug. If I want to shoot down the stairwell to the landing below, I might use either the 00 Buck or the slug. I can keep my options open depending upon the tactical situation. This is one of the advantages of the shotgun.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 4:41:57 AM EDT
Tag for some more crazy ass suggestions.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 4:56:39 AM EDT
I'd use a mix of different rounds:

1st shot..........rock salt/ pepper spray just in case there were identification problems, hostage or collateral damage

2nd & 3rd.......00 buckshot

4th & 5th.......Slug (just incase he was a BMF and was able to survive and run away!) for distance!


..........but that's just me!
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:21:15 AM EDT
I like to load as follows:

1- Birdshot

2-Buckshot

3 - Slug

4- Buckshot

5- Slug

6- Buckshot

7-Slug

If I have multiple targets in the hall I figured birdshot won't kill them but it will hit all of them.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:43:09 AM EDT
I would just rack the shotgun, should scare the criminals into leaving.




but seriously I agree with slug, 00 Buck, slug, 00 Buck, slug.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:44:53 AM EDT
Birdshot is a terrible defense load.

See the following:

www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm

It's not like we haven't plowed this ground before.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:46:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
I like to load as follows:

1- Birdshot

2-Buckshot

3 - Slug

4- Buckshot

5- Slug

6- Buckshot

7-Slug

If I have multiple targets in the hall I figured birdshot won't kill them but it will hit all of them.

Just a note.....

No reputable shotgun instructor recommends mixing rounds in the magazine. In a firefight, you are not going to remember what is next up.

Load 00 Buck. It will do the job.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:55:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
I like to load as follows:

1- Birdshot

2-Buckshot

3 - Slug

4- Buckshot

5- Slug

6- Buckshot

7-Slug

If I have multiple targets in the hall I figured birdshot won't kill them but it will hit all of them.

Just a note.....

No reputable shotgun instructor recommends mixing rounds in the magazine. In a firefight, you are not going to remember what is next up.

Load 00 Buck. It will do the job.




Yup - as usual, O_P is on the mark... I figure I'm pretty safe with all OO buck in my defensive shotgun - and if they're far enough away for me to need a slug, the threat's probably passed, anyways... OR, I'll have time to transition to a rifle - most likely an AK clone, or an FAL - then, it's ON, BABY!!!



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:02:16 AM EDT
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:20:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!



...for Quail at close range.

For bad guys, use 00 Buckshot.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:25:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By markm:
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!



...for skillet shooting Quail at close range.

For bad guys, use 00 Buckshot.




Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:30:27 AM EDT
That Pirhana load! A load full of metal shards.

A turkey load first for me. #4 shot. If that doesn't do the job and they are still a threat, 00 buck. After seeing all the info here, I may change my mind though. There was once a time where I thought I would only incapacitate the threat i.e. leg shot. That thought lasted about 30 secs. If you're in my home, and don't stop at a verbal warning, I will just assume you would be willing to hurt myself or my family. And, I'm not about to let you sue me for shooting you afterward. You get the point.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:31:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By markm:
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!



...for skillet shooting Quail at close range.

For bad guys, use 00 Buckshot.







I bet those Yankees don't even know what Skillet Shooting quail is.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:32:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I use 2 3/4" .00 Buck.



Same here...
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:32:55 AM EDT
www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm some interesting reading on the subject
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:35:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

I bet those Yankees don't even know what Skillet Shooting quail is.



I bet you're right.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 6:36:32 AM EDT
I said slugs, but only because I live in the middle of nowhere and overpenetration isn't a problem.
My real choice is m193.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 7:11:56 AM EDT
Anyone use the short shells?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 7:18:33 AM EDT
I have a 20 gauge under the bed loaded with #4 nitro mag shells. I figure that will get the job done.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 7:58:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDOC:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.



Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows?



No that Ayoob guy. They did tests with birdshot and buckshot to measure penetration with the best effect on humans. They concluded #4 was the best compromise.



Are you sure he was not referring to #4 buckshot?

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:02:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
Bird shot out of a Coach gun can't be beat!



w00t!
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:02:41 AM EDT
00 Buck.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:05:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Most experts will recommend #4 birdshot for in home defense.
They have the new frangible rounds that shatters on contact with a hard object.



Are these same experts selling beef jerky at gunshows?



No that Ayoob guy. They did tests with birdshot and buckshot to measure penetration with the best effect on humans. They concluded #4 was the best compromise.



Are you sure he was not referring to #4 buckshot?




+1, i'm pretty sure it was buckshot he was talking about. #4 buck penetrates almost exactly 12" in gelatin while having a much larger wound diameter than 00 buck.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:18:52 AM EDT
Actually, #1 buckshot is the best compromise. The hard part is just fiding some. Higher pellet count then 00, but since its .30 caliber, it has better penetration then #4.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:22:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I use 2 3/4" .00 Buck.



+1
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