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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:13:20 PM EDT
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F-8 crusader.
ETA: Best at gunning down innocent people, drunks or just ambushing unwitting targets? |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:14:53 PM EDT
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Being from Missouri, I gotta go with Jesse James .
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:15:34 PM EDT
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John Wesley Hardin
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:16:06 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:20:09 PM EDT
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You realize that the legendary showdowns and duels of the wild wild west aren't based in reality right?
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:20:40 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:21:20 PM EDT
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John Wesley Hardin Based upon the book he wrote while he was in prison. Most of it is probably BS. The source I read put his kills at closer to 13 than his claimed 44. Most of his known kills are more like murder than a gunfight. He claimed to have gotton the drop on Wild Bill, but the only source for that was his book written after Bill was dead. In reality if he tried the stunt he claimed while Bill had the drop on him, he would have ended up dead. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:22:46 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:22:56 PM EDT
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Wild Bill is one of the few to actually have had a mano y mano showdown, I'll go with him.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:23:51 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. See, now a woman with a brain and factual knowledge is a damn sexy thing to see. 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:25:28 PM EDT
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You realize that the legendary showdowns and duels of the wild wild west aren't based in reality right? There were some duels. Quite a few in California, in fact. I don't think there is any known fast draw duel, however. The closest to the movie ideal was Wild Bill's gunfight with David Tutt. It was fought in the town square or center, but wasn't a planned duel. Tutt fired twice and Wild Bill fired once, killing Tutt from about 75 paces. Not bad shooting for cap and ball revolvers. Wild Bill was the best, based upon verifyable gunfights. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:28:04 PM EDT
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You realize that the legendary showdowns and duels of the wild wild west aren't based in reality right? Yep, I'm talking about the real people, not how they were portrayed in Hollywood. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:29:40 PM EDT
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You realize that the legendary showdowns and duels of the wild wild west aren't based in reality right? There were some duels. Quite a few in California, in fact. I don't think there is any known fast draw duel, however. The closest to the movie ideal was Wild Bill's gunfight with David Tutt. It was fought in the town square or center, but wasn't a planned duel. Tutt fired twice and Wild Bill fired once, killing Tutt from about 75 paces. Not bad shooting for cap and ball revolvers. Wild Bill was the best, based upon verifyable gunfights. Duel was probably the wrong word for what I meant.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:31:41 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. It was borrowed. But I don't know of any of his fights aside from the famous one. IIRC, Doc fired two shots with the shotgun, missing once and inflicting a fatal wound once, at close range. The shotgun pattern was only several inches wide. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:32:38 PM EDT
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One of the reasons he liked a scattergun...
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. See, now a woman with a brain and factual knowledge is a damn sexy thing to see. 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:34:49 PM EDT
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I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. It was borrowed. But I don't know of any of his fights aside from the famous one. IIRC, Doc fired two shots with the shotgun, missing once and inflicting a fatal wound once, at close range. The shotgun pattern was only several inches wide. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:39:24 PM EDT
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Duel was probably the wrong word for what I meant. Here in CA, the guy who wrote the legislation banning duels was later killed in one. They had duels with bowie knives, swords, pistols, Mississippi rifles, and just about anything else. The Mississippi rifle was common in this application, a devistating weapon of war used for dueling . . . During the cowboy period, there were few duels. Cowtown gunfights usually involved whisky and an escalating saloon argument. There were fastdraw fights, but I don't know of any that were duels. Also, no one seemed to care who drew or shot first (this is one of the biggest differences between the real old west and the movies, IMO). There was a case where two men got in a gunfight (probably in a saloon), and one was wounded. The wounded man survived, and came to town to kill the man who wounded him. He saw his prey, unarmed, crossing a street and began to stalk him. When the prey saw him, he ran, only to be shot four times in the back. The judge ruled self defense; the fight wasn't over; you can't sevearly wound a man and not expect him to not respond. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:39:27 PM EDT
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I always thought of Tom Horn as one of the best real gunfighters with 39 kills. Then again maybe I just picked him because Steve McQueen played him in the movie.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:43:15 PM EDT
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I always thought of Tom Horn as one of the best real gunfighters with 39 kills. Then again maybe I just picked him because Steve McQueen played him in the movie. I never heard the claim that he had 39. I have read his MO used in some of his kills. Get about 200 yards away within view of the prey's cabin. When he walks through the door, shoot him. Horn was more sniper than anything, based upon what I know. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:43:57 PM EDT
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Wild Bill wins by a mile. At least, as far as legend goes. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:46:54 PM EDT
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Wild Bill wins by a mile.
At least, as far as legend goes. He wins based upon known facts. He also benifitted from some wild claims, but he had something like 6 confirmed kills including several face to face one on one fights that are verified. Others no doubt killed more, but not in the same way. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 5:25:52 PM EDT
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I always like reading about Hardin, even if he only had 9 real kills. I think most of them were before he was 21. As an added bonus, Cash wrote a great song about him.
Wild Bill is also some interesting reading because he did so many things. Scout, lawman, gambler, actor, ect. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 5:26:35 PM EDT
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Left off Porter Rockwell
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:52:40 PM EDT
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Bat Masterson
" Just as some folk are born poets, so others are born shots, and Mr. Masterson, from the first, evinced a genius for firearms. With either rifle or pistol he proved himself infallible, and of all who ever plied trigger he has wasted the least lead" http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-batmasterson.html |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:35:06 PM EDT
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Some of the best (or blood thirsty or crazy) are seldom remembered today.
John "Clay" Allison probably killed about 15 men. Jack Slade and Ben Thompson were crazy dangerous killers as was Thompson's brother Billy. Nashville Franklin "Buckskin Frank" Leslie killed 10 to 13 men. James B. Miller, aka: Killin' Jim, Killer Miller, Jim the Killer, Deacon Miller, etc was a suspect in over 40 murders. Captain John Miller by reports killed 32 men. Mart Nelson killed 7 in one town in New Mexico. John B. Omohundro, aka: Texas Jack was noted for hunting horse thieves and leading Indian massacres. Commodore Perry Owens killed 4 men in less than 2 minutes as an Arizona sheriff. Lawmen (REAL lawmen) like Chris Madsen, Bill Tilgman, and Heck Thomas never bragged or told how many they'd killed but it was a few. The James and Youngers were more famous for shooting unarmed bystanders during their robberies. However, based on public performance before crowds of witnesses, Wild Bill Hickok was the verifiable best. No one knows how many he killed in the bloody Border War in Missouri and Arkansas, but he performed at the top during his Kansas cow town days as a lawman. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:40:57 PM EDT
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Wyatt Earp. Lived by the gun, died an old man in his bed. Not too many gun men go out that way. I'd say longevity is the mark of a great gunfighter.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:44:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I think Doc Holliday was supposed to be pretty good Doc was fast and couldn't aim for shit. History, learn it. He had the best hat in the movie though |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:44:56 PM EDT
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Snake Plissken.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:45:27 PM EDT
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Doc Holiday
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:48:14 PM EDT
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Charles Travis Postelwaite
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:50:56 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:52:20 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters. To many names that shouldn't be mentioned yet
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:55:49 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters. I nominate Jim Simone of the Clevleand, Ohio PD (recently retired). 11 bad guys shot, 5 killed. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:57:35 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters. I nominate Jim Simone of the Clevleand, Ohio PD (recently retired). 11 bad guys shot, 5 killed. I know people that have killed more than that in an hour, and they post here 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:00:03 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters. I nominate Jim Simone of the Clevleand, Ohio PD (recently retired). 11 bad guys shot, 5 killed. I know people that have killed more than that in an hour, and they post here Going man to man in a straight up gunfight, or throwing rounds down range along with half a dozen other guys? |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:01:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wild Bill is one of the few to actually have had a mano y mano showdown, I'll go with him. Isn't there where he shot the guy in the heart from 75 yards away? |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:04:29 PM EDT
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You realize that the legendary showdowns and duels of the wild wild west aren't based in reality right? Nor is 90% of Arfcom pop history lately. Pulp fiction novels and fairy tales appeal to many. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:07:43 PM EDT
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Wild Bill is one of the few to actually have had a mano y mano showdown, I'll go with him. Isn't there where he shot the guy in the heart from 75 yards away? Correct, 1 shot from an 1851 Colt Navy. It was in Springfield Missouri on July 21, 1865. The night before Wild Bill played a poker game with Davis Tutt, Bill contrary to some stories won about $200, Tutt then tried to provoke Bill by Reminding him of $40 he still owed for a horse deal, Bill paid him, but then Tutt demanded another $35 which he claimed Bill owed him from a previous game, Bill disputed that, saying it was only $25, Tutt then stole Bills pocket watch off the table, and said that he would keep it until Bill paid him, Bill refused, and Tutt said he would walk through town the next day wearing Bills watch, bill threatened to shoot him if he did. The next day Tutt upped it to $45, and prepared to walk across the square, Bill appeared, and warned him again not to, then Tutt drew his pistol, and fired at bill, his shot missing, and going between Bills Legs, Bill then calmly drew his pistol, and fired once at a range of 75 yards, killing Tutt. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:10:49 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a thread about the best modern-day gunfighters. I nominate Jim Simone of the Clevleand, Ohio PD (recently retired). 11 bad guys shot, 5 killed. I know people that have killed more than that in an hour, and they post here Going man to man in a straight up gunfight, or throwing rounds down range along with half a dozen other guys? One on one, whether the other person always knew they were in a gun fight or not may be a different story 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:14:09 PM EDT
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Josey Wales
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:40:12 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery."
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:46:03 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I haven't heard the phrase "keeping it real" used in this thread in reference to any of the wild west outlaws yet. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:51:55 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I haven't heard the phrase "keeping it real" used in this thread in reference to any of the wild west outlaws yet. The last thread we had about Jesse James, I fully expected someone to post "fight the power" though. I find it interesting which groups of people are "allowed" - or even expected - by the peanut gallery to hate and distrust the government, or commit violent crimes, and which ones are not. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:54:18 PM EDT
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Which one died of old age?
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:55:28 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I haven't heard the phrase "keeping it real" used in this thread in reference to any of the wild west outlaws yet. The last thread we had about Jesse James, I fully expected someone to post "fight the power" though. I find it interesting which groups of people are "allowed" - or even expected - by the peanut gallery to hate and distrust the government, or commit violent crimes, and which ones are not. I missed that thread. I don't see anyone advocating it here, but just talking about which one was best with a gun. ETA: How do I find myself defending General Discussion, for God's sake? Your arguments must be really off tonight if I'm taking their side. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:57:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Which one died of old age? Wyatt Earp |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:59:39 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I didn't say it but I was thinking it. Many of those killed by the gun men were law men. Post a modern occurence about someone shooting a few law men and see what happens. Hell, look at current Mexico. A lot of towns in Mexico are being run just like an old west outpost. Start a thread asking who your favorite zeta assasin is and see what happens. ––-I know the times are different and a lot of these gunmen were lawmen. Also, a lot of the lawmen were simply the fastest draw, or the most cold blooded guy in town. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 10:02:43 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I haven't heard the phrase "keeping it real" used in this thread in reference to any of the wild west outlaws yet. The last thread we had about Jesse James, I fully expected someone to post "fight the power" though. I find it interesting which groups of people are "allowed" - or even expected - by the peanut gallery to hate and distrust the government, or commit violent crimes, and which ones are not. I missed that thread. I don't see anyone advocating it here, but just talking about which one was best with a gun. ETA: How do I find myself defending General Discussion, for God's sake? Your arguments must be really off tonight if I'm taking their side. I didn't realize I was arguing. I thought I was just making an observation. I can remember in the '90s some talking head on TV complaining about the violence and guns in music these days, as I casually glanced at my Marty Robbins CDs and laughed. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 10:07:14 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I haven't heard the phrase "keeping it real" used in this thread in reference to any of the wild west outlaws yet. The last thread we had about Jesse James, I fully expected someone to post "fight the power" though. I find it interesting which groups of people are "allowed" - or even expected - by the peanut gallery to hate and distrust the government, or commit violent crimes, and which ones are not. I missed that thread. I don't see anyone advocating it here, but just talking about which one was best with a gun. ETA: How do I find myself defending General Discussion, for God's sake? Your arguments must be really off tonight if I'm taking their side. I didn't realize I was arguing. I thought I was just making an observation. I can remember in the '90s some talking head on TV complaining about the violence and guns in music these days, as I casually glanced at my Marty Robbins CDs and laughed. Or the Americans who followed the exploits of Bonny and Clyde, or Dillinger. However, Marty Robbins never called women bitches or ho's and talked about them like they were pieces of meat. At least not in his music. I don't know about in his personal life. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 10:07:17 PM EDT
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I swear, somewhere on the internet there is a similar thread about Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The funny thing is, most arfcommers would dismiss the latter thread as "thug worship" and "savagery." I didn't say it but I was thinking it. Many of those killed by the gun men were law men. Post a modern occurence about someone shooting a few law men and see what happens. Hell, look at current Mexico. A lot of towns in Mexico are being run just like an old west outpost. Start a thread asking who your favorite zeta assasin is and see what happens. ––-I know the times are different and a lot of these gunmen were lawmen. Also, a lot of the lawmen were simply the fastest draw, or the most cold blooded guy in town. Bottom line there was / is a fascination with the whole lawlessness of it - probably peaking in the '50s - early '60s. Most likely, nothing has really changed in human nature, either by this generations fascination with the lawlessness of the ghetto or the lawlessness in Mexico. Somehow, though, we paint the old west lawlessness as "different" and "better." I think your Mexico example is a better example to show how shitty it would really have been in the days of the "outlaws" and of corrupt lawmen and local governments. |
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