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Posted: 9/30/2001 3:17:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 3:20:37 PM EDT by Monel_Funkawitz]
We are looking to get a new handgun, mainly for self defense/home defense, plinking, etc. Main shooter is a 6'0" tall guy, weight around 150lb. This is a tough question, but what is the absolute best handgun for this? So far, we have ruled out a 1911 (Jam happy), Glocks, and anything under 9mm. I was thinking about a 92FS. Any opinions/hints/comments?
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:22:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 3:23:09 PM EDT by styles]
One of my favorites is a S&W 25-2 in 45 auto. You get the reliability of a revolver, the speed of moon clips, and I get ammo sharing with my 1911. A 625 is about the same thing, and there is even a 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Auto which also comes in 45 Colt.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:24:16 PM EDT
If you ruled out Glocks and 1911s, I would go with a SIG.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:27:59 PM EDT
Model 19 .357 Revolver with speedloaders. Versatility, hard to jam, proven and effective design.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:30:13 PM EDT
Sig P220 [pistol]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:30:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Monel_Funkawitz: So far, we have ruled out a 1911 (Jam happy), Glocks, and anything under 9mm.
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I don't know where you got that the 1911 is jam happy, unless you are shooting POS 1911s from questionable makers. I carried a 1911 in the service, as did my father and grandfather, it went bang everytime as long as it had cartridges in it.
I was thinking about a 92FS. Any opinions/hints/comments?
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Decent firearm. 9mm is cheap, but definetly no man-stopper. Beretta has had reliability/breakage issues with its military contract pistols. Accuracy not as good as a moderately tuned 1911. Kimber or Springfield Loaded 1911s will outshoot a Beretta out of the box. Plus, they have .45, .38 Super, and .40 power. "Buy what you will, just don't ask these stupid Ford v. Chevy v. AK v. AR questions."
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:32:22 PM EDT
What about a revolver? Say .357 Mag. Not much to go wrong with it. Will fire all brands of ammo put into it. I like the 6" barrel myself, but also have a 4" and at 50ft makes no difference I can see on paper. My favorite revolver is my S&W 686 with 6" barrel. I also have a 686plus with a 4" barrel, but it the action isn't as smooth. OSA
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:48:39 PM EDT
S&W model 29 - good for anything from hunting to self-defense (with .44 special loads).
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:54:29 PM EDT
S&W Model 19/66, used of course. Lots of diferent ammo available, high percentage stopper in 125gr JHP config. Not only can it be used for self defense, it can also be used for hunting and competition. Cheap to reload, with prolific components everywhere. Waterdog
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:08:08 PM EDT
kimber 45 auto. they are flawless.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:12:24 PM EDT
Jam happy? The 1911 is probably the most reliable semi hand gun. Only been around for damn near 100 years. US Army hand gun for something like 70 years! Give me a break.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:46:50 PM EDT
0"we"??? who is the other person? Handgun selection is a mighty personal choice....suggest that both of you agree on the purchase. Highly recommend that you both go to a range that rents guns and try out several different calibers and types. I like handguns with decocking safeties....its a personal choice. Me...I own two handguns, a 92FS and a .40 S&W. I like both, but they each handle and shoot differently. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what the caliber or type of handgun is....if you can't hit what you aim at. If you become a serious firearm owner, you'll end up with several anyway, so don't stress out too much over the first purchase. If your primary goal is home defense, then a 12 gauge tactical shotgun with an 18 inch barrel, something like a Remington 870 express, is hard to beat. You can't go wrong with that. The sound of a pump action being racked will send bad guys running everytime without having to fire a shot. No 1 or 00 buck is cheap and hard to miss with. Bottom line, guns are like tools, you gotta have several tools in the tool box to fit the job. I have 2 handguns, a tactical shotgun, and an M-4 to cover all the bases. I consider pistols as they are intended to be, as a sidearm. I won't go into a fight armed with only a pistol if I can help it. hope this helps....
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:27:28 PM EDT
well, rg00red, I have to disagree wtih the beretta part, I have had NO problems with my 92FS at all, and I've run it up to about the 4000 round mark. Not one jam, not one failure of any kind, and it is VERY accurate. Plus, its as smooth as butter, it looks better than almost every other pisol out on the market *second only to 1911's*, and it has never failed me. Just dont go shooting the nastiest +p rounds every time you go to the range, and you will be fine. Even if you do, you should be ok, given the ammo the SEALs used was even nastier than submachine gun ammo. If you *still* have a problem with the slide breakage problem, get the brigadier model, it is reinforced in every area that the SEAL's had problems with. Also, if the 9mm is *too weak* (aka shot placement issues/go to the range) then you can get the 96 model, which is the same gun, in 40. They also make a brigadier model in the 96 series, so you can shoot nastier loads in .40 as well. I would bet my life on my 92FS ANY day. I would not trade it for any other handgun if the shtf...unless it was a MK23...lol You cant go wrong with the beretta.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:32:39 PM EDT
CZ75 or CZ85. Very well made. Very reliable. John
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:37:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 5:44:18 PM EDT by pdm]
G19. 147gr Hydra-shock X 15.....ruled out or not. add Tritiums. Swim it, jump it, low crawl it. It always works. nuff said. Edit: I just read your post again. Consider this, A Glock (17 or 19) with a 32 round mag and an insight tech Tac light. Friend, you are looking at a very serious Home defense package. Drop the light and the big mag and you've got a great carry gun. I was raised on 1911s (Own a vickers amongst others) but I swear by my G19. That thing just always works which means a lot to me. Good luck and good hunting. NRA, GOA, ILA, GABBA GABBA HEY paul
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:39:19 PM EDT
Sig 220 Beretta 92FS CZ 75B
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:01:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 6:01:42 PM EDT by Marksman14]
Not many people suggest this gun ever...I guess thats just because its "implied"...who knows. but along with my 92fs, I plan to add an HK USP to my collection soon. Nobody recommended it yet, but I would take it anyday... Its got the best of all worlds. The reliability of a Glock, and the features of say...a beretta. Polymer frame...safety, decocker, external hammer, GOOD trigger pull, etc. USP and beretta get my vote.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:08:28 PM EDT
HK USP .45 full size with Hydra-Shok 230gr
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:26:24 PM EDT
Kimber .45 not jam happy by a long shot. I had a bad opinion of .45's from my experiance with badly maintained WWII era ones while in the army. The Kimber is outstanding quality, reliable, and accurate. It taught me a lesson about first impressions. The 92fs is a good comprimise, if you don't like the recoil of the .45 and you dont mind firing 15 shots to stop the perpetrator. It is reliable and easy to shoot.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:04:24 PM EDT
If I only had one handgun it would be my Colt Trooper 4 inch. It does everything.Wadcutters for fun or 38 special, +P for more power or .357 for long range.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:05:19 PM EDT
The DA revolver is much easier to clean than the 1911. I really think the 1911 is more of a Intermediate/experts gun.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:07:38 PM EDT
SIG 226
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:17:49 PM EDT
Sig is a good one, I've had a 228 and now own a 229 and they have been 100% reliable as well as super accurate. 1911's sometimes have a problem but they are well worth the extra effort to get them right. Most the time its just a misadjusted extractor or junk magazines. I've got a Kimber and Springfield and both are great but I would give the nod to Kimber.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:24:49 PM EDT
People who Know use H&K. Take your pick from any of the H&K family in .45 ACP (USP or USP Compact or if you have Bux to spare and don't plan on Concealed Carry the .45 tactical or even the SOCOM) I have never had a failure of any kind in over 2000 rounds, and would stake my life on the USP. Whatever you get, remember: "A 9mm is simply a .45 set on "stun"
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:31:05 PM EDT
HS2000 HKUSP (any caliber) Beretta 92FS Sig 226 Browning HP (FN) These all work great. I'd use any of them for home defense,,, but, Nothing beats the 12 guage pump [:D]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:49:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:57:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheWind: If I only had one handgun it would be my Colt Trooper 4 inch. It does everything.Wadcutters for fun or 38 special, +P for more power or .357 for long range.
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What TheWind says. It's easy to feed and no mags to deal with. coyote3
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:54:59 AM EDT
S&W Model 66, 4 inch barrel, stainless steel, .357 Magnum – just about the most versatile handgun made.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 1:21:31 AM EDT
I wouldn't go so far as to say 1911's are prone to jam, but there have been a number of problems with the moderately priced 1911 match guns (not as much with the $2k+ models or the looser, non-match models). There is also a known weakness with the 1911 extractor, but this can be fixed in almost every case. See [url]www.1911forum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi[/url] for more information. I certainly would not rule out Glock, but if so, HK and Sig have a lot of good autos.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 3:17:16 AM EDT
S&W .44 Magnum Mountain Revolver. my .02 Tyler
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 3:52:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dale007: Jam happy? The 1911 is probably the most reliable semi hand gun.
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Thanks I haven't had my belly-laugh for the day. No automatic handgun has given me more reliability problems than the 1911 model.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 4:07:51 AM EDT
The one that will effectively blow my brains out so I don't have to look at another thread on this dead, dead, dead horse topic......... uy a raven or a lorcin - they are the very best - anybody says any different is full of shit - heard it straight from my brother's mother's only other son...................
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 5:59:51 AM EDT
Hey guys! I REALLY like my Walther P-99 in .40 cal. Conceals well, no external protrusions to get caught on clothing, butter smooth trigger, custom configurable handgrips, and lots of other little things. I'd try one out before deciding which one to buy. A warning for Monel...: This pistol, like the Glock, requires some training and handling skills since it does not have a "traditional" locking external safety. Not for the newby...but a very effective and accurate firearm. Oh...and they aren't cheap either. Not as high as an HK USP (Great pistol too.) but more than a Glock. Around the Sig P-220 range. Finally, I agree with retrodog...if home defense is the goal, go with a 12 gauge pump shotgun. I use the Mossberg M-590 with the special stock that holds 4 extra rounds and a very nice ghost ring sight system. If I can't defend my home with 13 shots of magnum 12s, I am in real trouble. Good luck. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:34:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:31:51 AM EDT
Colt1991A1 45 Auto. I've never had a jam,Feels good in Hand and hits the mark. What else would you want? [X]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:39:10 AM EDT
HK USP .45 - I have two, a Compact for daily carry (rides in my Eagle briefcase) and a .45 Tactical with Knight suppressor and Sure-Fire tac light for when I'm feeling really nasty. Kidding aside, HK or Glock is the way to go. The Tac is probably a bit much if you don't intend to get a suppressor, but the compact is a great little gun. Much more comfortable in the hand than a Glock 30. QS
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:50:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 8:46:49 AM EDT by ARben]
Originally Posted By PitViper: "A 9mm is simply a .45 set on "stun"
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What? What happens if you're "stunned" in the head or the chest? Do you get up and laugh it off? I love lots of guns, but I especially love my 92FS. The problems the Beretta had in the military were ammo related. (SEALS putting thousands upon thousands of rounds of near proof loads through a pistol tends to increase wear)
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:07:09 AM EDT
Do any of you that claim the 1911 is jam happy actually ever owned a quality 1911 or shot one? If the 1911 is such a piece of junk why was it kept around so long? Why would every instructor at facilities like Thunder Ranch, Gun Site, Etc use the 1911 both for teaching and for personal use?
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:22:01 AM EDT
Well it depends on whether or not you want to conceal. Glocks are nice if they fit your hand. They are relatively cheap, quite reliable and you can abuse them without guilt. Unfortunately they don't fit my hand. My favorites are the Sig Classic line and the HK USP line. Regarding caliber, I suggest 9mm, 40 cal or 45 ACP. With quality JHP ammo, all will do the job equally well. Ammo for the 9mm is very cheap, but I find the 45 the most fun to shoot. I'd probably pick a sig 229 in 40, USP compact in 40 or a USP fullsize in 45. The main thing is to try before you buy, rent at the range and make sure it feels right. As mentioned, you can't go wrong with a 357 double action revolver either. Smith and wession are my favorite wheel gun.
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