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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:13:55 PM EST
Here's the deal..... after 5 years my DiamlerChysler product is about paid off. It's had such poor resale value I couldn't even get rid of it up to this point & reliability has been less than stellar. In the past I've owned a couple European cars that also have been plagued with reliability problems. (Usually electrical) I'm tired of it. Here's my requirements:

1. Japanese make
2. 2005 model
3. 4 door sedan
4. Automatic transmission
5. Under $25k

I'll probably keep the car 3-5 years & put around 15k a year on it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:15:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 9:16:10 PM EST by GrH_Revelation]
I HATE IMPORTS!!!

"Why... Hewwo Mista Yamamoto.. Awww.. Yes... I am werry intwested in a car that sounds like a fart can and can be easily compacted by the supwewior engineewing of a SUV!"
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:16:32 PM EST
Japanese =
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:17:51 PM EST
I see this going well.

Foriegn cars I have had to mess with I didnt like, I also dont like SUVs though
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:22:34 PM EST
Honda all the way.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:24:10 PM EST
Mazda 6 with a V6.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:27:21 PM EST
camry
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:28:26 PM EST
Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord. The nod is for the HOnda Accord because I've heard that Toyota has been have oil leaks due to undersized cooling passages in the cylider head.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:28:35 PM EST
2005 Subaru Legacy 4dr Sedan 2.5 i Limited
MSRP Price: $26,120
Invoice Price: $24,369
CarsDirect Price: $24,894
www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=94596&acode=USB50SUC011B0&restore=false

Only real problem is that the factory warranty sucks, but they are very reliable cars. And you get AWD for the winter.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:37:41 PM EST
I would go with the Honda Accord...There is a reason so many of them are sold.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:10:29 PM EST
Maxima.

Nobody else builds a V6 that comes close.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:15:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 10:18:09 PM EST by Morpheus]
The 2005 Altima has been revised and improved for this 2005 model year. You can get a 4-cylinder or a V6. They are one of the more fun to drive cars in this category, unlike the generic driving appliances such as the Accord or Camry.

Oh yeah, and it's engine, transmission, and final assembly are all made in Tennessee, not Canada or Mexico like some of the "American" brands or like Germany's Daimler-Chrysler.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:21:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ratters:
2005 Subaru Legacy 4dr Sedan 2.5 i Limited
MSRP Price: $26,120
Invoice Price: $24,369
CarsDirect Price: $24,894
www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=94596&acode=USB50SUC011B0&restore=false

Only real problem is that the factory warranty sucks, but they are very reliable cars. And you get AWD for the winter.



+1

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:22:35 PM EST
Camery

And for the last time

NISSAN IS CO-OWNED BY THE FUCKING FRENCH
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:41:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:
Mazda 6 with a V6.



+100

It is a GREAT car. One of the best shifting 5sp manuals in an import I have ever felt. The Nissan Altima V-6 with 5sp would be my 2nd pic.

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:51:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 10:51:58 PM EST by _Ugly_]

Originally Posted By GodBlessTexas:

Originally Posted By Ratters:
2005 Subaru Legacy 4dr Sedan 2.5 i Limited
MSRP Price: $26,120
Invoice Price: $24,369
CarsDirect Price: $24,894
www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=94596&acode=USB50SUC011B0&restore=false

Only real problem is that the factory warranty sucks, but they are very reliable cars. And you get AWD for the winter.



+1

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...



+2

Really... I'm sold on the Subaru. Reliable, and a great all weather buggy.


edited to say... but not Japanese.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:55:33 PM EST
Accord or Camry - can't go wrong with either.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:00:11 PM EST
Accord all the way.....camry looks too ugly and it's got more problems than the accord will ever have...

think about it.....the best seller midsize passenger car in the U.S....
1. reliability=honda/toyo/nissan
2. resale=honda/toyo/nissan

domestics=okay to poor reliability(don't flame guys, I know that you guys only like domestics, but you do know that deep inside it's got reliability problems

domestics resale=almost worth nothing even though it's only a few yrs old ( not talking about the $$ domestics though)
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:02:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:04:37 PM EST
Mazda 6 cause everyone has a frigen honda. Get the 5-door.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:16:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARChoo:
Mazda 6 cause everyone has a frigen honda. Get the 5-door.



A buddy of mine has got the 5 door Mazda 6. Nice little car.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:52:07 AM EST
Or get a slightly used Lexus or Acura.

Accord and Camry, though, can't be beat.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:15:21 AM EST
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:17:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




Well I own 2 GM products, but like Campybob says, Im only driving old junk cars from now on.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:25:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 2:27:04 AM EST by BigJ491]

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




I'll buy american cars when americans start making cars that are comparible in quality, and can compete with the longevity of their foreign counterparts.

I buy Honda. Honda is roughly 80% american, and they are built about 80 miles from my house. I support my neighbors just the same.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:26:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 2:30:37 AM EST by Skammy]
Well its not a sedan but its japanese!
just throwing this out there for you to see..

It's an Izusu Axiom
Auto
250HP 0-60 mph, 7.6 sec
24K



Assembled in Indiana..

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:29:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Morpheus:
The 2005 Altima has been revised and improved for this 2005 model year. You can get a 4-cylinder or a V6. They are one of the more fun to drive cars in this category, unlike the generic driving appliances such as the Accord or Camry.

Oh yeah, and it's engine, transmission, and final assembly are all made in Tennessee, not Canada or Mexico like some of the "American" brands or like Germany's Daimler-Chrysler.



I agree. The Altima is a great handling car and it is actually roomier than the Accord.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:31:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




A Honda made in Ohio, a Nissan made in Tennessee, or a Chevy made in Mexico. The money may go to an American in the end, but the jobs don't.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 3:52:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 4:05:57 AM EST by legalese77]

Originally Posted By Wave:
From personal experience...Nissan Maxima SE



accord...where can you get a new maxima for under 25k?

p.s. to you American jobs moaners and groaners the accord is built in Marysville Ohio and 85%+ of the parts are sourced in Canada and the U.S.

p.p.s. I think the Accord 6 comes very close to the Maxima 6 (Maxima starts at $27,100). The accord 6 is a 240bhp affair @ 3.0 liters and runs on the cheap gas if you like while the Nissan 6 in the Maxima is what? 255bhp? @3.5 liters...I dunno if it requires the good stuff. Granted, the Maxima has a much broader powerboand and more torque as a result of the extra displacement but it also starts @ $27,100.00 and gets poorer economy....the Accord, fully loaded would probably not top $27,100 although it truly would not be the performer the Maxima is... I looked @ an Altima in '03 and it compared pretty favorably to the Accord @ the time but w/ the Altima I could get either leather or the v6 for the same price I could get leather and the v6 in the Accord...so I followed the credo "get both" and picked the Accord.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 4:17:45 AM EST
Accord

Camry

Mazda 6

All very good cars. You won't be disappointed.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 4:20:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 4:25:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




Honda and Toyota have brought more manufacturing jobs to the US in the past 20 years than GM, Ford and Chrysler combined. Over 80% of the cars they sell in NA, they make in NA. They have also required their Japanese based suppliers to set up operations in the US to support their operations.

The reason manufacturing jobs are declining in the USA is primarily unions. Non-union manufacturers like Toyota and Honda are among the most efficient and profitable in the world. Union manufacturers in the US are only surpassed by the Socialists in Western Europe in their economic inefficiency.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:13:51 AM EST
For that money you can get a Chevy Imapala with a 3.8, and maybe a LeSabre or even Crown Vic.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:20:10 AM EST
Mitsubishi Galant.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:22:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Skibane:
Maxima.

Nobody else builds a V6 that comes close.



+1
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:23:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By legalese77:

Originally Posted By Wave:
From personal experience...Nissan Maxima SE



accord...where can you get a new maxima for under 25k?



all over

TXL
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:28:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




This post is beyond the idiotic.

Since I work for a Tier 1 auto industry supplier, I happen to have a little more knowledge of this business than most.

Over 85% of the parts in Japanese cars assembled in the US ARE MADE IN THE US BY AMERICAN WORKERS.

In some cases the percentage is over 95%.

Your argument is dismissed out of hand.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:28:51 AM EST
Dude,

Spend $5 for a month subscription to consumer reports.com. Once there you will see that Toyota and Lexus are the most reliable cars in the world.

New: Toyota Camery

I would suggest buying a 3 year old Lexus GS300 or Acura RL. Both are fun to drive, in your price range, will last forever and you don't take the ass whoopin you do on buying new.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:31:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ratters:
2005 Subaru Legacy 4dr Sedan 2.5 i Limited
MSRP Price: $26,120
Invoice Price: $24,369
CarsDirect Price: $24,894




Agreed.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:35:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord. The nod is for the HOnda Accord because I've heard that Toyota has been have oil leaks due to undersized cooling passages in the cylider head.



What he said BUT not sure on the oil. I have a 03 Toyota Corolla S. Wish I could have the Camry. That is what I rent when I travel.

Had a Mazda 626 once. Very nice car BUT not good in the snow for some reason? Did not seem as solid as the Honda or Toyota.

I had a Honda civic before that - 200,000 miles without a hitch and sold it for damn near half what I paid for it about 9 years after I bought it.

All this about US etc. They are all mixed anymore. Bought the wife a Mercury Villager. Big POS, at 70,000 it started bleeding at 75,000 it died. My mom-in-law had a Dodge Caravan - Same damn thing. Now the wife drives a Toyota Sienna. It is just starting to hit its' stride at 70,000.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:39:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gartchen:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord. The nod is for the HOnda Accord because I've heard that Toyota has been have oil leaks due to undersized cooling passages in the cylider head.



What he said BUT not sure on the oil. I have a 03 Toyota Corolla S. Wish I could have the Camry. That is what I rent when I travel.

Had a Mazda 626 once. Very nice car BUT not good in the snow for some reason? Did not seem as solid as the Honda or Toyota.

I had a Honda civic before that - 200,000 miles without a hitch and sold it for damn near half what I paid for it about 9 years after I bought it.

All this about US etc. They are all mixed anymore. Bought the wife a Mercury Villager. Big POS, at 70,000 it started bleeding at 75,000 it died. My mom-in-law had a Dodge Caravan - Same damn thing. Now the wife drives a Toyota Sienna. It is just starting to hit its' stride at 70,000.

Good luck.



Funny, my Dakota is one of the highest % American made vehicles on the road (engine, tranny, final assy all in the US), and just passed the 70K mark. Other than a blown resistor in the ventilation fan circuit board last year, it has been flawless.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:40:06 AM EST
Mazda 6 with the V6. Made in Michigan.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:42:38 AM EST
i have a honda accord my mom has a toyota camry. these are the best cars in that price range by far. no other car even comes close in fit, finnish, reliability, resale value. check around the web you will see that these cars are best sellers every year. one of those choices will be something you will never regret.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:50:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By Skibane:
Maxima.

Nobody else builds a V6 that comes close.



+1



+2.

I have a 1995 Maxima SE with 170k miles. It still runs great and virtually maintenance free. (and I drive it 90 miles every day)

Gas milage is OK (23-24 mpg highway) and as someone mentioned, it does require premium gas.

I would recommend buying a 2-3 yr used car over new. Considering how long these cars last, you won't take as much of a hit on depreciation and still have a car that'll last for years.

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 6:02:40 AM EST
Jeez, guys...he didn't ask what your political views were.

Nissan, Toyo, Subaru, Honda, Mazda, all have good products.

I have owned Toyo [still got it] and a Mazda 626, both were great vehicles.

For 25k, you can get a really nice import. I hear alot of good stuff about the Altima and Maxima. The camry is a little too pedestrian for me, as is the accord, although they are decent cars as well.

Subaru has alot to offer that the others don't, AWD being the most attractive to me, as well as turbo.

The new mazda 6 seems pretty cool, don't know much about 'em.

I vote Nissan or Subaru...like somebody else said, if you are open to buying a lightly used car, you may want to check out Lexus. Very nice cars. Infiniti might warrant a look as well, I have driven both, no complaints about either, although I lean towards Lexus because I favor Toyota.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 6:21:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 6:31:19 AM EST by legalese77]

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By legalese77:

Originally Posted By Wave:
From personal experience...Nissan Maxima SE



accord...where can you get a new maxima for under 25k?



all over

TXL



I repeat, where? I was at the Nissan site this morning and the MSRP for a BASE Maxima is $27,100. Assuming no options, that means a $2,100.00 discount is necessary just to get the sticker (nm tax, title and license) to $25k, much less under it. The EX v6 Accord Sedan MSRPs for $26,700 but you could get into a v6 Sedan for under $23,800 (MSRP for v6 LX)

I do stand corrected on the hp, the Nissan is 265hp/255 lb/ft @5800
The Honda cranks out 240@6250 and 212@5000 actually making its peak torque at lower rpms. The Maxima requires premium and someone here gave figures of about 24mpg ( I cannopt confirm accuracy) and the Accord will run on cheap stuff... I get between 28-32 depending on he type of driving but haven't gotten less than 28 in the 34k miles I've driven it. No warranty work has been necessary. I suspect a displacement bump would easily allow the Honda Vtec to surpass the Nissan 3.5... for reference, see the 3.2 260hp engine found in many Acuras based on the same desing found in the Honda.

If you have the extra moolah to get into a Maxima, it will surely be a sportier car to drive than the Honda, if you have the extra moolah. IMO, the Altima is a closer comparison.

edit: cars direct says: Target Price with selected options: $25,340 (no TTL)
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:26:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




UAW Spends $2.3 Million on Kerry Commercials
Automotive News
The UAW is spending $2.3 million on TV and radio ads to sway voters and boost support for Sen. John Kerry’s presidential campaign. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said Monday that the commercials will begin airing on Monday, Oct 18. The union is paying for the ads through contributions to its Voluntary Community Action Program, a political action committee within the auto workers union. Republican critics have accused the union in the past of using member dues to support Democratic candidates. Though the UAW and other unions tend to favor Kerry, the auto industry has shown greater financial support for the president. A greater number of industry executives attended the Republican convention in August than turned out for the Democratic convention in July. The UAW gave its endorsement of the Massachusetts senator in March despite previous clashes on fuel economy standards.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:30:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Morpheus:

Originally Posted By CavVet:
The very next time anyone on arfcom opens their piehole to bitch about no good paying jobs in America, this thread is officaially fucking tagged for directing them to where the blame lies.



kommie pinkos...




UAW Spends $2.3 Million on Kerry Commercials
Automotive News
The UAW is spending $2.3 million on TV and radio ads to sway voters and boost support for Sen. John Kerry’s presidential campaign. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said Monday that the commercials will begin airing on Monday, Oct 18. The union is paying for the ads through contributions to its Voluntary Community Action Program, a political action committee within the auto workers union. Republican critics have accused the union in the past of using member dues to support Democratic candidates. Though the UAW and other unions tend to favor Kerry, the auto industry has shown greater financial support for the president. A greater number of industry executives attended the Republican convention in August than turned out for the Democratic convention in July. The UAW gave its endorsement of the Massachusetts senator in March despite previous clashes on fuel economy standards.



Fuckin' hate the UAW.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:32:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 11:33:04 AM EST by Morpheus]

Originally Posted By Guns_N_Shizzle:
Camery

And for the last time

NISSAN IS CO-OWNED BY THE FUCKING FRENCH



Yeah, and they just had American construction firms built a 2 Billion dollar assembly plant in Mississippi and hired 6,000 American workers to build cars there. DAMN THEM!!!
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:34:03 AM EST
Please do not put my American flag on your imported car.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:36:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By shootr:
Please do not put my American flag on your imported car.



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