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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:56:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBO: A.22 doesn't give you enough feedback on your natural shooting position. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBO: Originally Posted By Justcause: Start with a good .22 Shoot as far as you can with it You will develop all the skills you need and it will be cheaper. Once you master that then you can move up to a large caliber and just shoot. You will already be trained on how https://www.snipershide.com would be a good place to start A.22 doesn't give you enough feedback on your natural shooting position. But it’s great to learn the dials and dope on your scopes. For cheap. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:07:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Morlawn66]
[#2]
Had a 6.5 CRDM built on a 700 action I had , never went past a 1000 yds w/ it . In 2016 in a short action that was it . I would like to go up to a mile but not w/ that rifle. I shoot alone and that is a problem , need to buy a target cam to spot shots .
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:12:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: el_hombre]
[#3]
I've been researching this to death as I'm getting started in PRS this next year. I'm leaning towards a RPR in 6 Creed and a Vudoo to practice with.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:13:19 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Get a RPR in 6.5CM. Seems reasonable |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:20:24 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Get a RPR in 6.5CM. You have to start at the beginning. The RPR and 6.5 Creedmoor is a good place to start. Work on the 100 yard line until you can shoot 1/2 MOA groups on a consistent basis. Work on your load. Then move to the 600 yard line and learn to read the wind. About that time it might be time for a new barrel. Then you can start all over with 1000 yard shooting. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:25:58 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: Had a 6.5 CRDM built on a 700 action I had , never went past a 1000 yds w/ it . In 2016 in a short action that was it . I would like to go up to a mile but not w/ that rifle. I shoot alone and that is a problem , need to buy a target cam to spot shots . Around 800 you should be able to spot yourself. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:27:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: HKG3S]
[#7]
14.5x114mm. If it is worth playing the “Big Caliber” game …. go all in or go squat to pee.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:28:41 PM EST
[#8]
260 140 grain smk
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:30:30 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justcause: Start with a good .22 Shoot as far as you can with it You will develop all the skills you need and it will be cheaper. Once you master that then you can move up to a large caliber and just shoot. You will already be trained on how https://www.snipershide.com would be a good place to start I can’t imagine better advice. Nobody wants to spend the time…but that is time VERY well spent. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:31:24 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: This is excellent advice. Take a 22 out to 200, 300, even 400. You'll learn a lot for not much money. Then go shop for a bigger gun. Came here to say, I bought a Ruger American to shoot at 1000+ and took it to the 100 yard range once and now I have a Savage Mark II that'll be going out instead until I'm satisfied I wouldn't just be turning expensive ammo into noise  (I'm confident in the Ruger getting to 1000+ yards, much less so in myself) |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:34:32 PM EST
[#11]
Buy a decent 6.5 Creedmoor and by the time you are able to outshoot it you’ll have a much better idea of what you want to move up to.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: What caliber do F class open shooters use (1000 yards)? Not 6.anything! What’s the point of posting something like this and not listing what rounds they use? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:36:25 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Not sure I'd call 338LM a barrel burner. You can expect 3500-6000rds of accurate fire, depending on the load/powder and how many rounds you're putting through it in a compressed timeframe. That's not all that different from the short action 6 and 6.5 offerings you're going to have to push to get to 1500yds and beyond consistently. While folks talk about burning out barrels, the cost of the pipe is pretty immaterial once you look at the cost of the ammo to burn it out and the expenses of traveling/training to shoot all of those rounds. Of course, that's assuming you're not just stepping out on to the back porch and slinging 1000-2000yds whenever you want. ETA: OP, if you want to be anywhere near consistent in your goals at 2 miles, you're looking at Cheytac cartridges and others like it where you're pushing 300+ grain projectiles with over 100 grains of powder. Checkout articles on the King of Two Mile (KO2M) match to see what folks are running. There's also KO1M, where 300PRC, 338LM, and others are competitive. AI all the things if you're handloading. I had no idea people were getting that many rounds out of 338 Lapuas. Most magnum stuff isn’t that high from what I’ve read. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:40:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: dbrad197]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I had no idea people were getting that many rounds out of 338 Lapuas. Most magnum stuff isn’t that high from what I’ve read. I shoot pretty mild loads and my last barrel got 3k. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:42:51 PM EST
[#14]
Some of the responses in here.....
 .OP : "I'm new to long range....." GD : "Long Range starts at 300 Norma. You gotta burn 100 grains of powder to ever hope to be like Chris Kyle!!!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:43:38 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pro_Patria_431: Around 800 you should be able to spot yourself. I have a cheap digiscope kit and just record my long shots on my phone Out here in dry AZ it’s pretty easy to see hit/misses at least to 1k though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:44:20 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: .300 PRC, .300 Norma Mag, or .338 Lapua Magnum When I built my one-mile rig I went with 338LM as 300 PRC wasn't a thing, and 300 Norma Mag didn't have a solid supply of brass from anyone besides Norma. If doing it today I'd go 300 PRC. I handload, but you can buy 300 PRC off the shelf that'll get you to 1500yds and beyond with some consistent impacts. ETA: while 6.5 Creed and other short action cartridges can get you a mile, they start to get really inconsistent when the wind picks up. They're also a major pain in the ass to spot as the lighter bullets moving relatively slowly by the time they get out there don't make much splash on steel to call hits or in the dirt to spot misses. Yay for 5 dollar Tigger pulls.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:44:27 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: I shoot pretty mild loads and my last barrel got 3k. Was the throat burnt out, rifling? Throat, would it have been better to have the chamber cut off and then redone? Did the accuracy fall off due to being shot out? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:44:42 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pro_Patria_431: Around 800 you should be able to spot yourself. That is the case , I have problems at 1000 yards . |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:46:03 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: What caliber do F class open shooters use (1000 yards)? Not 6.anything! |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:47:13 PM EST
[#20]
There's an argument for .308 just because of ammo availability, but the correct answer is 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:50:02 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mk-211: Was the throat burnt out, rifling? Throat, would it have been better to have the chamber cut off and then redone? Did the accuracy fall off due to being shot out? The throat did. I’m sure I could have had the chamber trimmed and would have been good to go for another couple k I think, but honestly I wanted a different thread pitch on the muzzle and I wanted to increase 3” in length to eek out some extra velocity, so I was ready to ditch the barrel when it started opening up. My standard load opened up from .8 to 1.1 moa average and seems to be worse every range trip. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:52:46 PM EST
[#22]
And to be clear I’m not advocating for 338 for OP, I’m here to shill for 6mm gaymoor actually. I shoot at around 5000’ ASL and can hit 1400-1500 very well with it.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:03:00 PM EST
[#23]
6.5 creed for sure. Ruger PR good platform.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:03:02 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: I'd go 300 PRC  Metoo, a little more kasmack |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:04:08 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: And to be clear I’m not advocating for 338 for OP, I’m here to shill for 6mm gaymoor actually. I shoot at around 5000’ ASL and can hit 1400-1500 very well with it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365303/IMG_3117-3034391.jpg Nice! I should've kept my 7mm Valkyrie upper but it wasn't to be. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:10:44 PM EST
[#26]
The hot cool thing in 1000yd f-class is 7/6.5 PRC
IOW 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm 7mm bullet outperforms 6.5 and Actual 7 PRC or 300PRC is considered too much power to be optimum. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:11:04 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Quintin: There's an argument for .308 just because of ammo availability, but the correct answer is 6.5 Creedmoor. Bought a .308 RPR just for that reason and barrel life . |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:27:57 PM EST
[#28]
Originally Posted By Smd226: I want to start shooting past 1000 yards I k ow I’ll need a lot of practice before I get into it but white everything getting more expensive by the day I want to get what I can when I can. What’s a good caliber to start with? It will be target shooting only. Pros-in-the-Know say .308 all …. day …. long. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:33:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: DistanceX]
[#29]
What/how do you plan on shooting?
A .22 is a great trainer. If you're going to shoot at paper, there are reduced size targets that can be used at 100 or 200 yards to simulate 800/900/1000 yard targets. What you lose in recoil management, you gain in developing follow-through. The .22 LR bullet is going slow enough in the barrel that you can pull it off target while it's traveling. You state that you have a .308 that you're currently using. Palma shooting requires use of .308 (you can use .223), and if you follow International rules (most Palma shooters do), a 155 grain bullet as the heaviest bullet you can shoot. Palma barrels (30-32 inch long and 1-12, 1-13 twist) are typically driving the 155gr bullets at least 2950 fps, and often over 3000. That said, it's still a .308 and it's like throwing a brick downrange. . . And it's iron sights only. That's a lot of text to say that you could still use your .308 and practice with it in the wind up to 1000 yards. To be decent with it will require you to be able to evaluate the downrange conditions very well. If you're also going to go down the position shooting/sling supported route, then it's also a check on your position shooting ability, as little slips in sight alignment/picture will throw you out. While you decide on a round for shooting past 1000 yards, some cheap reduced distance practice with a .22 and time behind a .308 up to 1000 honing the wind shooting skillset would be good. Indeed, such practice may help you decide on what you want, beyond a bunch of strangers on the internet telling you (including me). ETA, just 'cause. My 16 year old at a 1000 yd match, recently.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:36:25 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: Bought a .308 RPR just for that reason and barrel life . |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:38:06 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Lol at the responses in here. If you have something relevant to add, please do. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:39:47 PM EST
[#32]
Get an off the shelf 338 Lapua Mag or a single shot .50 to get your feet wet. If not your cup of tea or you decide to go another direction with your rig, reselling either of those would be pretty easy.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:40:28 PM EST
[#33]
Do you reload?
If so, and you can pay the entry fee I would say either 338 LM or 300 NM |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:42:13 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: What caliber do F class open shooters use (1000 yards)? Not 6.anything! You're so confident in your wrongness it's almost astounding. 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:42:13 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Get a RPR in 6.5CM. Pretty good for entry level, I have one. Swapped the barrel for a WOA 26", Timney trigger, Harris bipod, and a modified Magpul PRS stock (I cut down the buffer tube and stock as it was a bit too long) Had a Leupold Mark 6 scope and switched to a Vortex. Omega brass, H4350 powder, Hornady 140's, Winchester primers. I tried using Berger 140's and they would not group for anything. Tried several powder charges, different seating depths, nothing worked as good as the Hornady ELD's. I have not tried the Berger hybrids though When I am on my game I am hitting sub moa. My last visit to K&M Precision Rifle in TN I was hitting the plate at 1200. My scope was struggling to see at that distance though |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:08:16 PM EST
[#36]
Get a 6.5 Creedmoor to start off then work up from there. I have a Savage 110 tactical and a Vortex Venom scope, and you can do a LOT with that combo.
If you want to shoot a mile or more and have some kinetic energy on target, get a 300 PRC. I have one of those too and it’s an AWESOME cartridge with a very efficient design, and is loaded with purpose built long range projectiles in factory cartridges. That’s something you can’t find as easily with legacy hunting cartridges like the 300 win mag or 7 mag. Don’t get a 338 Lapua or 50 BMG to start without figuring what’s allowed where you want to shoot. The ranges in my area don’t allow anything bigger than 300 PRC. No 338 Lapua/ 408 Chey Tac/ 50 BMG type stuff allowed. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:20:55 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mk-211: Nice! I should've kept my 7mm Valkyrie upper but it wasn't to be. Yeah that round looks really fun, it’d be a blast to reload for. I’m trying really hard to talk myself out of an 8.6 BO just to see how far I can get subs to go consistently. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:33:42 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Enigma102083: You're so confident in your wrongness it's almost astounding. https://accurateshooter.net/pix/swn2020fopcart.png You're using a 10-1 ratio of 7 to 6 to prove he's wrong? the ratio is probably up since 2020 7 something is the clear choice now. Even a lot of 6 guys say something like "If the wind is light I can win." |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:50:24 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I had no idea people were getting that many rounds out of 338 Lapuas. Most magnum stuff isn’t that high from what I’ve read. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Not sure I'd call 338LM a barrel burner. You can expect 3500-6000rds of accurate fire, depending on the load/powder and how many rounds you're putting through it in a compressed timeframe. That's not all that different from the short action 6 and 6.5 offerings you're going to have to push to get to 1500yds and beyond consistently. While folks talk about burning out barrels, the cost of the pipe is pretty immaterial once you look at the cost of the ammo to burn it out and the expenses of traveling/training to shoot all of those rounds. Of course, that's assuming you're not just stepping out on to the back porch and slinging 1000-2000yds whenever you want. ETA: OP, if you want to be anywhere near consistent in your goals at 2 miles, you're looking at Cheytac cartridges and others like it where you're pushing 300+ grain projectiles with over 100 grains of powder. Checkout articles on the King of Two Mile (KO2M) match to see what folks are running. There's also KO1M, where 300PRC, 338LM, and others are competitive. AI all the things if you're handloading. I had no idea people were getting that many rounds out of 338 Lapuas. Most magnum stuff isn’t that high from what I’ve read. If I remember correctly the Finns (maybe the Swedes) expected minimum 4,000rds out of their military 338LM rifles. Been a bit since I read up on all that as I’ve had my 338LM for a few years now. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:51:09 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Yay for 5 dollar Tigger pulls. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: .300 PRC, .300 Norma Mag, or .338 Lapua Magnum When I built my one-mile rig I went with 338LM as 300 PRC wasn't a thing, and 300 Norma Mag didn't have a solid supply of brass from anyone besides Norma. If doing it today I'd go 300 PRC. I handload, but you can buy 300 PRC off the shelf that'll get you to 1500yds and beyond with some consistent impacts. ETA: while 6.5 Creed and other short action cartridges can get you a mile, they start to get really inconsistent when the wind picks up. They're also a major pain in the ass to spot as the lighter bullets moving relatively slowly by the time they get out there don't make much splash on steel to call hits or in the dirt to spot misses. Yay for 5 dollar Tigger pulls. Not when you roll your own 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:53:15 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Not when you roll your own Damn straight, learn to reload and make better ammo cheaper! |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:53:35 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: And to be clear I’m not advocating for 338 for OP, I’m here to shill for 6mm gaymoor actually. I shoot at around 5000’ ASL and can hit 1400-1500 very well with it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365303/IMG_3117-3034391.jpg I yearn for 5000’ ASL. I wish I’d gotten into long range shooting when I lived in AZ. NoVA is a basement compared to the wide open spaces and thin air out west
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:01:06 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trollslayer: I don't know anything about your finances but I can say that adopting cartridges like 338 LM, 50 BMG, etc. and the rifles that go with them, can be VERY expensive. In addition, they can be punishing to shoot. I wouldn't consider these unless I was going well beyond 1,000 yards. If you are shooting paper targets and steel and only want to go to 1,000 yards, 6mm and 6.5 mm will get you there with ease. I use 6 mm XC, many others use 6 mm Creedmoor. I have used 260 Rem, as well. With these cartridges, you will get excellent barrel life, too. Heck, even 308 with the right bullet and load will get you there but that cartridge is at its limits when going out to 1,000 yards. P.S. - It's not as difficult as you think to get there. Spot on. Get there with something you already have or something relatively affordable and accessible first. If you find that you've reached the limit of your gear upgrade or buy another at that point. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:01:30 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: I yearn for 5000' ASL. I wish I'd gotten into long range shooting when I lived in AZ. NoVA is a basement compared to the wide open spaces and thin air out west Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By dbrad197: And to be clear I'm not advocating for 338 for OP, I'm here to shill for 6mm gaymoor actually. I shoot at around 5000' ASL and can hit 1400-1500 very well with it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365303/IMG_3117-3034391.jpg I yearn for 5000' ASL. I wish I'd gotten into long range shooting when I lived in AZ. NoVA is a basement compared to the wide open spaces and thin air out west My house is at 5400 ASL, and it definitely makes a difference! |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:12:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#45]
Jesusmoor for paper punching and ringing steel 1000-1300 and maybe a bit beyond. It’s common to find when you need to, recoil is nice, the rifle won’t have to be too heavy, and not too hard on barrels. It makes for an excellent hybrid hunting/tactical/target rifle. Probably wouldn’t want to try taking medium-large game further than 700ish where energy starts to dip under 900 ftlb.
7 or 300 PRC for delivering usable energy around 1000, but they’ll ring steel at a mile. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:13:58 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Get a RPR in 6.5CM. I only know what I’ve read but right now this would be my suggestion. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:14:06 PM EST
[#47]
Is there really that big of a difference between .308 and 6.5 CM?
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:16:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: ALASKANFIRE]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smd226: Is there really that big of a difference between .308 and 6.5 CM? Yes and it only gets bigger the further you get. Plenty have shot 308 to 1000 with the right conditions and bullets but pretty much nobody chooses 308 to shoot 1K+ |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:18:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Efl15]
[#49]
6.5C is what I use for PRS. If I were to get into something bigger, it'd be 300 PRC or 300 Norma magnum.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:24:36 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smd226: Is there really that big of a difference between .308 and 6.5 CM? Yes, a lot ballistically. But the .308 fans won't admit it. You can pull up many comparison articles that support the fact that the 6.5 is superior to the .308. That doesn't mean that the .308 is a bad cartridge, it just means that there are newer cartridges that easily outperform it. https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/top-6-long-range-competition-cartridges/363484 |
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