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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:20:03 AM EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/index.html

I was just sitting here reading with CNN in the background and I heard him say if you abort every black baby crime rate would drop.

I could not believe it I just had to laugh about it. but I think he is in deep $#!%.

What say you?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:22:24 AM EDT
Can you name any race that this wouldn't apply to?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:30:18 AM EDT
Me thinks that if you aborted all babies of any race, creed, religon or sex, ther crime rate would drop. Less people = Less crime. Simple math to me. BUt yeah he's more than likely gonne be in some deep KaKA.

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Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:34:26 AM EDT
Wow. That was pretty goddamn stupid.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:37:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:
Wow. That was pretty goddamn stupid.



What he said. Whatever trouble he gets is richly deserved.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:38:36 AM EDT
He's right actually, blacks comprise a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates relative to their percentage in the general population. But hey, there is hope. The Latinos (especially the illegals) are stealing/murdering hard to catch up to them.

Don't forget about baby Cape Cod White! www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/09/28/on_cape_evacuee_gives_birth_to_a_son_and_a_new_dream/
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:40:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
He's right actually, blacks comprise a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates relative to their percentage in the general population. But hey, there is hope. The Latinos (especially the illegals) are stealing/murdering hard to catch up to them.

Don't forget about baby Cape Cod White! www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/09/28/on_cape_evacuee_gives_birth_to_a_son_and_a_new_dream/



Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:45:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:46:39 AM EDT
I'm sure the libs will be taking his quote out of context. He was trying to make a point about the claim that legalized abortion has caused a decrease in crime and how he believed that was hardly a justification for legalized abortion.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:52:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?



I meant to imply that you were the first to that point to say what you thought as opposed to feigning disgust, therefore appearing to have "missed" the Kool-Aid pitcher as it was being passed around-
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:53:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?



So where you going when you get off work? A clan meating? While I do agree with the base of your statement. Aborting all black babies would not solve the problem. You would more than likely see a decrease followed by a steady increase in crime. Then a shrp rise in the number of white convicted felons. I think you're way off here.

Dave
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:59:09 AM EDT
Glad I ain't black. Save da chidrenz! HEE HEEYEEEEEE.....OWHHH!

Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:02:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By skpp108:
I meant to imply that you were the first to that point to say what you thought as opposed to feigning disgust, therefore appearing to have "missed" the Kool-Aid pitcher as it was being passed around-

That's worth some Kool-Aid, alright! Hehe!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:02:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 5:03:48 AM EDT by Gunner1X]

Originally Posted By Maxim_Mag:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?



So where you going when you get off work? A clan meating? While I do agree with the base of your statement. Aborting all black babies would not solve the problem. You would more than likely see a decrease followed by a steady increase in crime. Then a shrp rise in the number of white convicted felons. I think you're way off here.

Dave



So you're saying that the blacks are the ones that are getting all the good crimes?
I didn't realize that there was an affirmative action crime program in place.

ETA Laughing guy
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:03:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 5:04:52 AM EDT by Grunteled]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/index.html

I was just sitting here reading with CNN in the background and I heard him say if you abort every black baby crime rate would drop.

I could not believe it I just had to laugh about it. but I think he is in deep $#!%.

What say you?




He said that in response to a question about abortion lowering the crime rate and therefore being good to legalized. He said it to illustrate the point that yes, if you kill off a significant number of any population you will reduce it's crime rate, that doesn't make killing them a solution. But go on.... saying he advocated killing black babies is just soooooo much more dramatic.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:05:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
He said that in response to a question about abortion lowering the crime rate and therefore being good to legalized. He said it to illustrate the point that yes, if you kill off a significant number of any population you will reduce it's crime rate, that doesn't make killing them a solution. But go on.... saying he advocated killing black babies is just soooooo much more dramatic.



+1

I heard what Bennet said and this thread puts his words way out of context.
This is how fucktards start internet rumors.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:06:08 AM EDT
It seems parts Ireland have a high crime rate and it's almost exclusively white.

Our problem with crime is more coincidently black. Generation after generation has been taught that the white man is out to get them and is keeping them down. Add the public assistance to the mix and you have the 9th Ward where few members of any black family has held a job in decades. Why work?

Do the same thing to any other ethnic group and the outcome would be the same.



Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:08:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxim_Mag: So where you going when you get off work? A clan meating? While I do agree with the base of your statement. Aborting all black babies would not solve the problem. You would more than likely see a decrease followed by a steady increase in crime. Then a shrp rise in the number of white convicted felons. I think you're way off here. Dave
No, I'm not. Remember, blacks represent a disproportionate number. So a rise in white convicted felons actually helps my point out because it would even out the percentages.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:09:26 AM EDT
CNN didn't publish the whole quote, it's out of context. He was on FOX last night. He and his wife waste alot of money ond time on blacks.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:10:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:

I heard what Bennet said and this thread puts his words way out of context.
This is how fucktards start internet rumors.


Absolutely correct. However, you guys could have withheld the facts just a little bit longer while I enjoyed the slobbering, wild-eyed, politically correct feeding frenzy that was beginning to fill my morning with mirth and merriment.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:11:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxim_Mag:


So where you going when you get off work? A clan meating? While I do agree with the base of your statement. Aborting all black babies would not solve the problem. You would more than likely see a decrease followed by a steady increase in crime. Then a shrp rise in the number of white convicted felons. I think you're way off here.

Dave



so what you're saying is, there are tens of thousands of white "felons in waiting", just itching for their chance when the brothers aren't there anymore? So, in reality, crimes committed by blacks are actually keeping us evil honkey racist mofos® in line? That's certainly an interesting theory.

BTW, it's Klan with a "K". Many people of Scottish ancestry go to "clan" meetings all the time.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:11:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bchboy1206:
www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/index.html

I was just sitting here reading with CNN in the background and I heard him say if you abort every black baby crime rate would drop.

I could not believe it I just had to laugh about it. but I think he is in deep $#!%.

What say you?



Link made hot.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:14:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Grivo_Mak:
It seems parts Ireland have a high crime rate and it's almost exclusively white.

How many blacks live in Ireland? Few/none? So it looks like if you don't have blacks in a population, then the crime rate matches the population in general, right?

C'mon now, we're Americans and we all need to face up to the fact that blacks represent a disproportionate number of American criminals.

You guys need to stop worrying. I'm not going to go out there and take time, money, and effort out of my day to abort black babies because my taxes are already wasted on them via Socialist Welfare. Cops, judges, lawyers, prison guards, and other members of our criminal justice system need jobs, too.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:14:55 AM EDT
Bill was by no means advocating such a thing, but was using an illustration of absurdity in the middle of his radio show. This is, true to form, being blown all out of proportion by the libbie loonies who are desperate to McCarthy anyone they can get their hands on.

That being said, it was a frickin' stupid thing for Bill to say. He has been around Washington long enough to know how the game is played.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:15:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxim_Mag:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?



So where you going when you get off work? A clan meating? While I do agree with the base of your statement. Aborting all black babies would not solve the problem. You would more than likely see a decrease followed by a steady increase in crime. Then a shrp rise in the number of white convicted felons. I think you're way off here.

Dave




What, you think that there are people out there, waiting to commit a crime to keep the statistics up?
Did I miss the memo asking me to stand by to commit a felony because we are about to experience a drop in the crime rate?

Grab a clue man.

TXL
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:16:56 AM EDT
These are figures from 1999 kinda old but some things change....others never do.
Major Findings of
The Color of Crime

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:17:45 AM EDT
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma.

Do a google search on the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger. She, Adolph Hitler and Joseph Mengele had a lot in common. She wanted to sterilize those that were "undesirable or unfit".

Here are some quotes from the website Blackgenocide.org,

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the "unfit." Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword:

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them.

It appears to me that Mr. Bennett was only paraphrasing the abortion industry's mission statement. He should be commended for exposing their underside.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:17:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoppy:
Can you name any race that this wouldn't apply to?



Why Yes...
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:20:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gigmike:
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma. ... It appears to me that Mr. Bennett was only paraphrasing the abortion industry's mission statement. He should be commended for exposing their underside.

Nice points!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:21:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
He said that in response to a question about abortion lowering the crime rate and therefore being good to legalized. He said it to illustrate the point that yes, if you kill off a significant number of any population you will reduce it's crime rate, that doesn't make killing them a solution. But go on.... saying he advocated killing black babies is just soooooo much more dramatic.



+1

I heard what Bennet said and this thread puts his words way out of context.
This is how fucktards start internet rumors.



I think he could have used more tact. His statement, in or out of context, will be misquoted and rearranged because he used the dreaded "B" word and "abort all". I think many people and other "Fucktards" will be on him fast...

Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:22:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wraithtouch:
These are figures from 1999 kinda old but some things change....others never do.
Major Findings of
The Color of Crime

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.



I find it dificult to believe that some people are so uncomfortable with these FACTS that they deny they exist--Even on this board. Guess you can guess who never lived around a large black population...
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:24:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gigmike:
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma.

Do a google search on the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger. She, Adolph Hitler and Joseph Mengele had a lot in common. She wanted to sterilize those that were "undesirable or unfit".

Here are some quotes from the website Blackgenocide.org,

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the "unfit." Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword:

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them.

It appears to me that Mr. Bennett was only paraphrasing the abortion industry's mission statement. He should be commended for exposing their underside.



Total Bullshit!!

Did you notice all the 16 yo's holding 3 babies at the convention center...Where the baby daddy?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:25:50 AM EDT
Sometimes it's not a good idea to tell the truth.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:26:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gigmike:
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma.





Dangit man, that's the first thing I thought of when I clicked on this thread.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:30:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JosieWales: I find it dificult to believe that some people are so uncomfortable with these FACTS that they deny they exist--Even on this board. Guess you can guess who never lived around a large black population...
Some people keep paddling up the Denial River. If you really want more info to back those up, find a black professional family who have their act together. You will find out that they despise ghetto blacks because their behaviour reflects badly on them.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:31:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By gigmike:
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma.





Dangit man, that's the first thing I thought of when I clicked on this thread.



A while back there was a study that attributed our lower crime rates to the number of abortion of "at risk" (pc libbie term for black) babies.

Nobody got all bent out of shape then.....
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:34:19 AM EDT

Rush called on "my friends, the responsible Republicans" to rebuke the former Cabinet official by backing a House resolution condemning his remarks as "outrageous racism of the most bigoted and ignorant kind."



For a minute there i thought that was Rush Limbaugh who said that. Huh, fat chance o' that. I'm sure he'll defend him on his show. Too bad Bennett did'nt know ' what a Rush' Limbaugh was popping pills when he was Drug Czar , he could've busted him and sent him to an island like Rush said all druggies should go.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:36:42 AM EDT
Clearly you did not hear the entire dialogue. His words are being taken out of context to bash him and conservatives in general.

Sorry...nothing more for you here...move along.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:41:55 AM EDT

Total Bullshit!!

Did you notice all the 16 yo's holding 3 babies at the convention center...Where the baby daddy?


Yes, I saw them but I don't understand your point. I suppose I could draw a generalization of the whole race, but as that happens all to often to us redneck, flannel wearing, paranoid gun owners I'll pass.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Do you think this is an accident? The darlings of the left and defenders of the mythical constitutional right to privacy are committing genocide here in America. The left goes nuts about Wal Mart preying on the poor. What about this?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:44:17 AM EDT
OF course leftist cnn got it completely WRONG.

He was speeking about how immoral it would be to do such a thing!!!

Stupid F'n leftist pukes at cnn - probably misquoted Mr. Bennett on purpose!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:50:13 AM EDT
living in a large city, i have to aknoledge blacks role in crime is disportionate. my two closest friends to this day are black,

the most interesting aspect of this is how the crime rate of the neiborhod that i great up in shot up expotinaly after they were relocated from the projects to various locations in the city, this was just an average working class area that was basically all white, and no its about 50-50, with a crime rate that is just crazy, from the time I left for the Marines in 1998 and when I finnshed up in 2002 things did a 180,

about a week ago, 4 blacks robbed at gun point a family that was walking around at the community park

I would love to see sombody explain this dramatic change in four years

I am not saying that whites would never do somehting like this, i am just saying that befor blacks were added to this equation, things like this were not common, now they are
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:53:52 AM EDT
well, let me be the first to say...

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ibtl! or at least beat dolomite and kogashuko calling everybody honky racist kkk rednecks...
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:33:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 6:38:39 AM EDT by Nimrod1193]

Originally Posted By skpp108:

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:

Originally Posted By skpp108:
Somebody on this thread missed their morning Kool-Aid....

You don't think blacks compose a disproportionate number of convicted criminals and inmates? You don't think latinos are catching up? You didn't know that Cape Cod White is a black baby from a welfare mom with 13 kids from multiple fathers?



I meant to imply that you were the first to that point to say what you thought as opposed to feigning disgust, therefore appearing to have "missed" the Kool-Aid pitcher as it was being passed around-



The problem with this statistic (and with Mr. Bennett's analogy) is that is based on something that is completely irrelevant. If I were to be able to wave a magic wand and turn everyone in the U.S. into a blond-haired, blue-eyed caucasian, it would have absolutely no impact on crime, because it would not change what is in the person's heart.

A woman once asked my wife if it concerned her that, because she was a black woman, she had a higher likelihood of contracting AIDS. My wife told her that she was an idiot to say that, because my wife's likelyhood of contracting AIDS was no greater that hers. This is because my wife doesn't engage in the behaviors that increase her exposure to AIDS, and the amount of melanin in her skin doesn't have anything to do with it.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:02:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Nimrod1193:
The problem with this statistic (and with Mr. Bennett's analogy) is that is based on something that is completely irrelevant. If I were to be able to wave a magic wand and turn everyone in the U.S. into a blond-haired, blue-eyed caucasian, it would have absolutely no impact on crime, because it would not change what is in the person's heart.

A woman once asked my wife if it concerned her that, because she was a black woman, she had a higher likelihood of contracting AIDS. My wife told her that she was an idiot to say that, because my wife's likelyhood of contracting AIDS was no greater that hers. This is because my wife doesn't engage in the behaviors that increase her exposure to AIDS, and the amount of melanin in her skin doesn't have anything to do with it.




I disagree. Color is NOT irrelevant. It COULD be irrelevant. But that would mean that black families would be on average THE SAME as white families in terms of HOW THEY RAISE their children. And right freakin' now, they are NOT raising their kids with the same respect for law, education, etc as the average white family. So your analogy is off. Now... if you took a black family and a white family and instilled them with the same set of values AND put them in the same neighborhood AND gave them similar income AND isolated the black family from the pressures that come from OTHER BLACKS to "stick it to the man" or "stop playing whitey" (stop working hard and being successful)... ONLY THEN would both families have the same chances of being productive citizens. We are SO far away from that it's not even funny. Don't you get it? Black culture in the present time wants NOTHING to do with success, education, culture, etc. It's COOL to be a renegade, law-breaker, whatever. That's going to cause a problem in society.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:01:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 8:02:35 AM EDT by Nimrod1193]

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
...
Now... if you took a black family and a white family and instilled them with the same set of values AND put them in the same neighborhood AND gave them similar income AND isolated the black family from the pressures that come from OTHER BLACKS to "stick it to the man" or "stop playing whitey" (stop working hard and being successful)... ONLY THEN would both families have the same chances of being productive citizens.
...



You just admitted my point; that the likelihood of someone becoming a criminal has nothing to do with their skin color, but rather has to do with the culture that they are raised in. I would be willing to bet that if they could do a study of caucasians raised in the same "ghetto culture" (and they do exist), you would find a very similar crime rate. And the pressures that blacks face don't just come from within their own race, they also come from people with statistical studies who tell my sons that, simply because of the color of their skin, they are probably going to be a criminal anyway; so what's the point of trying to achieve anything? That attitude is just as asinine as my wife being told that she is more likely to contract AIDS simply because she is black.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:07:51 AM EDT
As a reminder for some of you folks that forgot. Bill Bennet was the Drug czar GWB I's administration. It was at his behest and that of the Heritage Foundation that GWB I inmplement the 1989 imported assualt weapons ban. GWB didn't know squat about guns and neither did Bennett, so they went to the Heritage Foundation who didn't know either, but it sounded like a good idea at the time.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:16:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Nimrod1193:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
...
Now... if you took a black family and a white family and instilled them with the same set of values AND put them in the same neighborhood AND gave them similar income AND isolated the black family from the pressures that come from OTHER BLACKS to "stick it to the man" or "stop playing whitey" (stop working hard and being successful)... ONLY THEN would both families have the same chances of being productive citizens.
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You just admitted my point; that the likelihood of someone becoming a criminal has nothing to do with their skin color, but rather has to do with the culture that they are raised in. I would be willing to bet that if they could do a study of caucasians raised in the same "ghetto culture" (and they do exist), you would find a very similar crime rate. And the pressures that blacks face don't just come from within their own race, they also come from people with statistical studies who tell my sons that, simply because of the color of their skin, they are probably going to be a criminal anyway; so what's the point of trying to achieve anything? That attitude is just as asinine as my wife being told that she is more likely to contract AIDS simply because she is black.



Not really, you’re chasing each other's tails. What you say is true, except that a far larger portion of the black population include themselves in the thug culture and see it as their identity. Nobody is (well most aren't) saying that something in the pigment of their skin causes them to be criminals, but on average you CAN predict a higher crime rate based on the presence of a large black population. Mr. Bennett's statement is true on it's face on the average, on the individual level you are correct in that one person being black is not a causation for behavior.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:19:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 8:42:00 AM EDT by Red_Label]

Originally Posted By Nimrod1193:
You just admitted my point; that the likelihood of someone becoming a criminal has nothing to do with their skin color, but rather has to do with the culture that they are raised in. I would be willing to bet that if they could do a study of caucasians raised in the same "ghetto culture" (and they do exist), you would find a very similar crime rate. And the pressures that blacks face don't just come from within their own race, they also come from people with statistical studies who tell my sons that, simply because of the color of their skin, they are probably going to be a criminal anyway; so what's the point of trying to achieve anything? That attitude is just as asinine as my wife being told that she is more likely to contract AIDS simply because she is black.



I guess we have a tomato/tom-ah-toe thing going here. I reiterate my point that BY VIRTUE OF [CURRENT] REALITY, statistically they DO have a higher likelyhood of criminal behaviour because of their skin color. Does that mean that your kids will be crinimals? Heck no! That's how you raise them. If YOU raise them to think that they don't have a chance because of whitey's bigotry, THEN they will likely fail. But I doubt you'll do that. And comparing someone who tells your sons they will fail because of the color of their skin, to the peer pressure they will suffer to "be black" is wrong. The peer pressure will likely hold MUCH more sway than some social commentator telling them they're more likely to fail. My assertions that blacks are more likely to find themselves on the wrong side of the law is purely based on statistics (FACTS) that look at the race as a whole. What your children choose to do is entirely based upon how you raise them and even more so, the desires of their hearts. This whole thing could easily be reversed where the whites were the slaves, and the whites suffered the effects of racism and bigotry (and would be if many black leaders had their way). But in our reality, it is not. So don't shoot the messenger who says that STATISTICALLY blacks are more likely to engage in criminal activity, because it's a simple fact of life at this point.

I HOPE THAT CHANGES. I measure a man by his deeds, not his skin. There are MANY blacks who've acheived great things and I admire them. Like Condi Rice, Walter Williams, Thomas Seol, JC Watts, and even Bill Cosby. Too bad that MOST black leaders (and even plenty of whites) and most blacks in general would rather look to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Ludacris, Snoop Dog, etc as their role models. Bill Cosby has been saying this same stuff for years and gets labeled as a traitor for telling the truth. Until blacks as a whole stand-up and starting taking responsibility for their actions and their future, they are hosed. Hard to argue with any of that.


BTW... I have MORE respect for blacks who are successful (whether they are celebs are just people who live good lives) BECAUSE the cards are stacked so against them. But let's be honest about those cards here... it's many black leaders and celebs who are telling black children that they cannot make it. And other blacks put pressure on them not to make it cause it is uncool. The days of "whitey" being a black's biggest enemy are gone. These days, other blacks are a black's worst enemy and are working against their success. But if I went out and told these truths in the media, I would be castrated. The old saying "the truth shall set you free" has NEVER been more correct. And likewise, beleiving lies will only doom a person to bondage.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:33:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By gigmike:
Wait a minute, Planned Parenthood has been successfully targeting blacks for abortions for years! They've located their abortion mills in predominantly poor inner city neighborhoods. How many do you see in suburban office buildings or strip malls? In western Washington they are all located in what are considered "black areas" of Seattle and Tacoma.





Dangit man, that's the first thing I thought of when I clicked on this thread.



Me too...makes you wonder why the Democrats are mostly "pro choice"...
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:45:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bchboy1206:

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
He said that in response to a question about abortion lowering the crime rate and therefore being good to legalized. He said it to illustrate the point that yes, if you kill off a significant number of any population you will reduce it's crime rate, that doesn't make killing them a solution. But go on.... saying he advocated killing black babies is just soooooo much more dramatic.



+1

I heard what Bennet said and this thread puts his words way out of context.
This is how fucktards start internet rumors.



I think he could have used more tact. His statement, in or out of context, will be misquoted and rearranged because he used the dreaded "B" word and "abort all". I think many people and other "Fucktards" will be on him fast...




Bennetts only mistake was assuming he was dealing with people who could think, understand words, and complex concepts… This thread is proving him wrong.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:48:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wraithtouch:
These are figures from 1999 kinda old but some things change....others never do.
Major Findings of
The Color of Crime

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.




Stating facts is racist.




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