Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
PSA
Member Login

Site Notices
9/17/2020 5:59:48 PM
Posted: 9/10/2013 1:22:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 4:29:04 PM EDT by SnoopisTDI]


John Garrison, president and CEO of Bell Helicopter, said: ‘We are very excited about teaming with Lockheed Martin on the V-280. Lockheed Martin is a premier defence and aerospace contracting company celebrating 100 years of success. Their experience and innovation, combined with their strong business relationships serving their customers at the US Department of Defense and other government agencies, will help us provide the highest levels of maturity and technical readiness required for Future Vertical Lift missions.’
View Quote

















ETA:  Google image search for V280 may be NSFW.


 
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:25:13 PM EDT
Here's to my 401k!

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:28:09 PM EDT
I'll try to find some pics of the full scale mockup when I get home. Not having much luck on my phone.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:29:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 1:30:31 PM EDT by NotAFudd]
So V-22's that launch drones, that launch missiles

ETA: And windows to see the sights
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:30:11 PM EDT
Cool.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:30:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:31:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 1:32:48 PM EDT by Dog1]
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:33:02 PM EDT
Tilt rotors are the future, the speed and range capability gap created when one service has it and the other does not hurts in the tanks in the Pentagon.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:36:19 PM EDT
Looks like they went with a different design with respect to the tilt feature.  I hope it proves to be more reliable!
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:39:50 PM EDT
How would it replace the AH 64?  Where would you put the rockets and whatnot that wouldn't hit the rotors?  

Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:42:15 PM EDT
-> Look up V-280 on google images

-> See gigantic breasts
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:42:20 PM EDT
One night an osprey snuck up on a Blackhawk in the hangar, the next morning they rolled the door open and found this...
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:43:14 PM EDT
Interesting design.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:44:01 PM EDT
I wonder what the eventual unit cost will be?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:44:58 PM EDT
Is that the Blackhawk fuselage, or is it designed from scratch?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:45:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 1:46:06 PM EDT by CitizenQ]
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Is that the Blackhawk fuselage, or is it designed from scratch?
View Quote



Reuse designs we already have to save money? What govt have you been watching.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:45:45 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By swede1986:
I wonder what the eventual unit cost will be?
View Quote


15x more than the budget.

Aviator
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:48:26 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:
-> Look up V-280 on google images

-> See gigantic breasts
View Quote


One is bigger than the other
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:52:06 PM EDT
Wonder why they teamed with Lockmart instead of Boeing?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:53:20 PM EDT

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Merlin:


Wonder why they teamed with Lockmart instead of Boeing?

View Quote
Boeing teamed with Sikorsky on the X2.

 
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:54:37 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:



Reuse designs we already have to save money? What govt have you been watching.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Is that the Blackhawk fuselage, or is it designed from scratch?



Reuse designs we already have to save money? What govt have you been watching.


Was Sikorsky okay with that?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 1:56:04 PM EDT
looks like they addressed the problem with the jet exhaust pointing down in VTOL mode.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 2:53:24 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:


One is bigger than the other
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:
-> Look up V-280 on google images

-> See gigantic breasts


One is bigger than the other


BIG being the operative word.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 3:03:06 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:


One is bigger than the other
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:
-> Look up V-280 on google images

-> See gigantic breasts


One is bigger than the other


So what? I am sure they taste the same.  
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 4:30:03 PM EDT

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By CitizenQ:


-> Look up V-280 on google images



-> See gigantic breasts
View Quote
Damn, I forgot all about that.  I made that mistake at work once!  I added a NSFW warning in the OP.

 
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 4:34:47 PM EDT
im curious how they will handle the nacelle conversion...the actuators we use now are......uh....yeah
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 4:47:51 PM EDT
It looks much prettier (and less complicated) than the push-prop helicopter abominations competing.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 4:53:51 PM EDT
That's hot...

Kharn

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 4:58:33 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By GreyHat:
It looks much prettier (and less complicated) than the push-prop helicopter abominations competing.
View Quote


any links to the pics?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:00:17 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Aviator:


15x more than the budget.

Aviator
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Aviator:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
I wonder what the eventual unit cost will be?


15x more than the budget.

Aviator


It's cool; I'm sure there's another couple of billion lying around under the couch that Obama didn't use on free phones or advertisements for illegals.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:02:26 PM EDT
Trying to replace both the apache and the Blackhawk?

Remind me how many times this has been tried and failed in other fields?
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:09:33 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By inzane123:


Looks like a Blackhawk and an Osprey had sex.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes




More like a Beech Bonanza and UH-60 running a train with the Osprey as lucky Pierre.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:13:12 PM EDT

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MadCowRacer:


Trying to replace both the apache and the Blackhawk?



Remind me how many times this has been tried and failed in other fields?
View Quote
The AH-1 and UH-1 pull it off quite well.

 
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:18:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 5:23:05 PM EDT by USMC6177]
Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
John Garrison, president and CEO of Bell Helicopter, said: ‘We are very excited about teaming with Lockheed Martin on the V-280. Lockheed Martin is a premier defence and aerospace contracting company celebrating 100 years of success. Their experience and innovation, combined with their strong business relationships serving their customers at the US Department of Defense and other government agencies, will help us provide the highest levels of maturity and technical readiness required for Future Vertical Lift missions.’
View Quote


http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/bell-lockheed-martin-team-v-280-valor/




ETA:  Google image search for V280 may be NSFW.
 
View Quote

Makes sense.  LM can't integrate 60s forever. If this kicks off I am employed for another 20 years.  Go team LM/Bell
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:21:12 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Merlin:
Wonder why they teamed with Lockmart instead of Boeing?
View Quote

Boxes instead of Aircraft.  LM already teams with Sikorsky for the Navy ASW Helicopters
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:40:16 PM EDT
Why not just use more V-22's? I don't get it.  The V-280 just looks like a bigger V-22, the X2 looks completely different more like a fast helicopter for transporting VIPs around or somethin.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:47:41 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Chairborne:
One night an osprey snuck up on a Blackhawk in the hangar, the next morning they rolled the door open and found this...
View Quote


Now I see it
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:52:49 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
Why not just use more V-22's? I don't get it.  The V-280 just looks like a bigger smaller V-22, the X2 looks completely different more like a fast helicopter for transporting VIPs around or somethin.
View Quote


V-280 looks more like a 609, with different nacelle treatment.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:56:21 PM EDT

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By swede1986:


I wonder what the eventual unit cost will be?
View Quote
Too god-damned much. We're broke.



 
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 5:59:35 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By FedDC:
How would it replace the AH 64?  Where would you put the rockets and whatnot that wouldn't hit the rotors?  

View Quote

apparently on the bottom:
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 6:02:11 PM EDT

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Sheddy:


Why not just use more V-22's? I don't get it.  The V-280 just looks like a bigger V-22, the X2 looks completely different more like a fast helicopter for transporting VIPs around or somethin.
View Quote
No, the V-280 will be smaller, faster, and more agile than a V-22.  It's a fast-moving Blackhawk and Apache replacement.

 



I don't know a lot about the X2, but at this point - it's just a concept.  They built a demonstrator and flew it about 20 hours.  It did have impressive performance, but it was built for a short life to meet a couple vary narrow goals.  When you scale that to what the Army wants, add in all the mission requirements, mil standards, etc., a few years of SDD... will it still perform?  We don't know.




On the other hand, the Osprey has proven itself, and this is the next generation, which should only be better.




Yeah, I might be a little biased.  But between the two, the Valor seems like the low-risk option.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 6:05:04 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
No, the V-280 will be smaller, faster, and more agile than a V-22.  It's a fast-moving Blackhawk and Apache replacement.  

I don't know a lot about the X2, but at this point - it's just a concept.  They built a demonstrator and flew it about 20 hours.  It did have impressive performance, but it was built for a short life to meet a couple vary narrow goals.  When you scale that to what the Army wants, add in all the mission requirements, mil standards, etc., a few years of SDD... will it still perform?  We don't know.

On the other hand, the Osprey has proven itself, and this is the next generation, which should only be better.

Yeah, I might be a little biased.  But between the two, the Valor seems like the low-risk option.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
Why not just use more V-22's? I don't get it.  The V-280 just looks like a bigger V-22, the X2 looks completely different more like a fast helicopter for transporting VIPs around or somethin.
No, the V-280 will be smaller, faster, and more agile than a V-22.  It's a fast-moving Blackhawk and Apache replacement.  

I don't know a lot about the X2, but at this point - it's just a concept.  They built a demonstrator and flew it about 20 hours.  It did have impressive performance, but it was built for a short life to meet a couple vary narrow goals.  When you scale that to what the Army wants, add in all the mission requirements, mil standards, etc., a few years of SDD... will it still perform?  We don't know.

On the other hand, the Osprey has proven itself, and this is the next generation, which should only be better.

Yeah, I might be a little biased.  But between the two, the Valor seems like the low-risk option.


So if the Apache(Boeing) and Blackhawk(Sikorsky) are on the line and they're partnered up.  I'm sure they'll have a competitive offering when all is said and done.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 6:08:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2013 6:09:50 PM EDT by 0612Devil]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By astro_wanabe:

apparently on the bottom:
http://sjdrimages.com/Mb/UserUploads/h40Ofs6EEy2C35.jpg
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By astro_wanabe:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
How would it replace the AH 64?  Where would you put the rockets and whatnot that wouldn't hit the rotors?  


apparently on the bottom:
http://sjdrimages.com/Mb/UserUploads/h40Ofs6EEy2C35.jpg


Well on our way I see...

Top Top