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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:12:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 11:16:35 AM EDT by winddummy82]
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/
BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions.





Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment."





Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing.



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Originally Posted By winddummy82:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/


BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions.

Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment."

Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing.

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Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:16:53 AM EDT
I wish they had it here, not so much for kids but for adults, friend is CNA for hospice and if most of those people had an option, they would take an early exit instead of suffering and waiting to die.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:16:54 AM EDT
Post-partem abortion?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:19:20 AM EDT
In before suspects call this this "wanton murder of children" or some such nonsense.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:20:40 AM EDT
I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure wouldn't want to live out my life as a pain wracked vegetable.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:20:47 AM EDT
If you are dying and are in excruciating pain, who is to blame you for ending it?


Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:20:53 AM EDT
Cant imagine having to help your kid make that decision.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:21:27 AM EDT
Too bad it doesn't include the spawn from hell of parents that bring misbehaving children into restaurants and other public places.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 11:32:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By piccolo:
Too bad it doesn't include the spawn from hell of parents that bring misbehaving children into restaurants and other public places.
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Euthanasia is only putting someone out of their misery, it doesn't cover putting them out of your misery.
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Originally Posted By blackrifleman556:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure wouldn't want to live out my life as a pain wracked vegetable.
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Originally Posted By Doucheatron3000:


Euthanasia is only putting someone out of their misery, it doesn't cover putting them out of your misery.
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Originally Posted By Doucheatron3000:
Originally Posted By piccolo:
Too bad it doesn't include the spawn from hell of parents that bring misbehaving children into restaurants and other public places.


Euthanasia is only putting someone out of their misery, it doesn't cover putting them out of your misery.

Putting them out of your misery is justifiable homicide.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:18:26 PM EDT
Secular Europe's killers gonna kill.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:19:11 PM EDT
I'll round up dozens at the local walmarts and movie theaters, if we can get this implemented in Florida.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:19:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.
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FPNI.  They're gonna die anyway, their parents concur, they understand what's going on.  Why prolong the suffering?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:19:49 PM EDT
don't see much wrong with that.

there's doctors here that will do it for kids or adults.

it's called "are you still in pain?" - (up dose of morphine)
"how about now?" - (up dose of morphine)
"now?" - (up dose of morphine)

oh look, his/her heart stopped. he/she must have been in a lot of pain.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:20:27 PM EDT
Hopefully this opens the door for euthanasia for youth in Asia
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:20:42 PM EDT
Their country, their laws.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:21:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
In before suspects call this this "wanton murder of children" or some such nonsense.
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Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
In before suspects call this this "wanton murder of children" or some such nonsense.


Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Secular Europe's killers gonna kill.


and there you have it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:23:51 PM EDT
The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized
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Those letters would be hard to read, and a compilation of them would be so horrible.
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Originally Posted By blackrifleman556:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure wouldn't want to live out my life as a pain wracked vegetable.
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That law won't do any good in such a case. It says the child has, "...to possess the capacity of discernment."
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:26:53 PM EDT
Pathetic
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:29:46 PM EDT
We call that Abortion here in America.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:31:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/


BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions.

Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment."

Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing.

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I don't know how I feel about this. Sometimes I hate the world I live in though.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:32:15 PM EDT
I don't understand how anyone is opposed to death with dignity.


Suffering is not blessed or nobel,it's pure shit.

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Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:32:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ScopeScar:


Those letters would be hard to read, and a compilation of them would be so horrible.
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Originally Posted By ScopeScar:
The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized


Those letters would be hard to read, and a compilation of them would be so horrible.



Don't worry. Someone will come a long and publish it.

Never underestimate the tastelessness of the American Public.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:35:42 PM EDT
I don't see a problem with this.  If the parents are also in agreement, it's got to be a bad situation.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:51:53 PM EDT
On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always  had a big lead.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:52:50 PM EDT
Their country their rules.

Just means more Belgian chocolate for the rest of us.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:55:27 PM EDT
This is one of the things from Europe that we should copy.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 1:00:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
Their country their rules.

Just means more Belgian chocolate for the rest of us.
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Funny!

'And in breaking news...Humanity has just cured cancer!'

Ooops.

Chris
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:27:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:33:17 PM EDT
Sounds like murder to me?



My kid is acting up in school, smoking dope and getting suspended, So let me Euthanize him or her..



Sounds like a abunch of Nihilists Moralists.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:36:14 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:





Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:



Originally Posted By winddummy82:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/





BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions.



Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment."



Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing.





Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.


I don't know if Oregon's Death With Dignity law applies to minors or not, but I do know that there is not a single case of it being abused.



Every single person who has exercised their legal option to end their life voluntarily is one that I agree wholeheartedly with their decision.



You might not choose to end your life under any circumstance but IMO there are fates worse than death.



 
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Originally Posted By John_McClane:


FPNI.  They're gonna die anyway, their parents concur, they understand what's going on.  Why prolong the suffering?
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.


FPNI.  They're gonna die anyway, their parents concur, they understand what's going on.  Why prolong the suffering?


Does that standard apply to hood rats/bangers? They gonna die anyway and their parent knows it.
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Originally Posted By guntrk:
Sounds like murder to me?

My kid is acting up in school, smoking dope and getting suspended, So let me Euthanize him or her..

Sounds like a abunch of Nihilists Moralists.
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Do you realize this is as stupid as " the only reason to own an assault rifle is to kill people" ?



Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:15:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fullpower:
On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always  had a big lead.
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Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism.

Thanks for playing kid.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:17:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By piccolo:



Don't worry. Someone will come a long and publish it.

Never underestimate the tastelessness of the American Public.
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Originally Posted By piccolo:
Originally Posted By ScopeScar:
The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized


Those letters would be hard to read, and a compilation of them would be so horrible.



Don't worry. Someone will come a long and publish it.

Never underestimate the tastelessness of the American Public.


And here is some proof...
Originally Posted By piccolo:
Too bad it doesn't include the spawn from hell of parents that bring misbehaving children into restaurants and other public places.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:17:45 PM EDT

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:19:12 PM EDT
It's a very difficult decision, but one people should be able to make legally.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/


BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions.

Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment."

Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing.



Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway.



I'd have to agree.

Now...what does it provide to avoid abuse?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:20:01 PM EDT
I don't see the problem.  My Uncle resides in Holland and is currently dying of lung cancer.  As I understand it, he is officially throwing in the towel as of last week.  



It doesn't seem to be a bad way to deal with it; he gets to set up his funeral the way he wants, have friends and family visit and then simply check out, without slowly wasting away in excruciating pain.  It's the only control he has left over the situation.




In principle I don't see why children don't deserve the same.






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Well, it's true. Don't they all have swords over there? Plus all those martial arts and whatnot.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:24:15 PM EDT
I know the issue here deals specifically with children, but it is a travesty that assisted suicide/euthanasia is illegal in the US.

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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
I don't understand how anyone is opposed to death with dignity.


Suffering is not blessed or nobel,it's pure shit.

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There's no dignity in any death.
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:

There's no dignity in any death.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
I don't understand how anyone is opposed to death with dignity.


Suffering is not blessed or nobel,it's pure shit.

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There's no dignity in any death.

Yes, but some are especially undignified.  Personally I feel that this is a great idea.  If you're terminally ill and suffering greatly there's no point in life sometimes.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:43:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By swede1986:


Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism.

Thanks for playing kid.
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Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Fullpower:
On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always  had a big lead.


Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism.

Thanks for playing kid.


Thak you Swede

I am in charge of my own body and so are my wife and son (although obviously as a minor he does not have full say).

The same way I would advise anybody here not to use heroin or eat deep fried chicken every day but I sure as hell dont want a moral buisybody making a law againt it.    
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