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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:09:50 AM EDT
[#1]
Very interesting...
I would buy one, but I wouldn't sell my AR to get one. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:11:41 AM EDT
[#2]
.. not again
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:13:51 AM EDT
[#3]
This is about the 6th thread on this in the past 2 weeks.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:13:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: .. not again [lol]I was thinking the same thing. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:22:36 AM EDT
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[url]www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf[/url]
the charts pictured here are fucked up M4: - 8.85lbs [red]no f'in way[/red] - (price, for military, carbine only) $900 [red]not even to civilians[/red] - reliability: <6,000 rounds with regular cleaning and lubrication [red]yeah.. without cleaning and lube.. not with[/red] XM8: - component service life: >20,000 rounds (M4 only 8,000) - reliability: 20,000 rounds without cleaning and lube without stoppages or parts failures thats just the first couple out of many |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:26:48 AM EDT
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Gesus not another one...
HK pulling the same kind of con job as RCBS. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:26:55 AM EDT
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I know there were other threads but I don't rem seeing the charts, or especially the Jane's article linked up.
Man I miss the old search feature... |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:29:01 AM EDT
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As much as I am a fan of H&K products, I would not get an XM8. I think they are ugly.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:36:09 AM EDT
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I welcome the change. yes i will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that i love.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:37:55 AM EDT
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Now they're making space guns that make ARs look like K98s.
Looks like a robust weapon. But I'm just too traditional. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:38:33 AM EDT
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Even *IF* the armed forces switch to the XM8, us lowly civies will never see one offered to us. Maybe some bastardized SL8 type thing or a neutered version, but who want's that.
I'll take my AR's thank you very much and I am working towards an M16 as funds allow. [:D] The AR15/M16 is the last civilian offering of a military weapon we will ever see. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:39:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: I welcome the change. yes i will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that i love. IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone? |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:41:16 AM EDT
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As a civilian, I can say that for my part, if they offered it to me, I'd turn it down.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:51:50 AM EDT
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Isn't that the gun that Pacino used in HEAT?
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:52:32 AM EDT
[#15]
I'd get one.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:55:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I welcome the change. Yes I will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that I love. IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone? I am confidant there will be one, and because my collection is to consist of a copy of every civilian available firearm possible (except any glockb) |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:57:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I welcome the change. Yes I will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that I love. IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone? I am confidant there will be one, and because my collection is to consist of a copy of every civilian available firearm possible (except any glockb) oh.. ok [:D] |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:57:51 AM EDT
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Who gives a rat's ass what it looks like???
If it's lighter, more adaptable, and more reliable than the M16 family - why not use it? HK makes it seem that the Army has already adopted it for limited procurement as an M4 replacement in '05... |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:58:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd get one. As would I. I actually like the way it looks [shock], and it seems to be very controlable from the video I have seen. However. I DO NOT think that it does anything significantly better than an AR15/M16. I would not give up my AR for one, and I dont see it replacing the M4/M16. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:00:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Who gives a rat's ass what it looks like??? If it's lighter, more adaptable, and more reliable than the M16 family - why not use it? HK makes it seem that the Army has already adopted it for limited procurement as an M4 replacement in '05... its not more adaptable it hasnt been field tested long enough for battle usage.. IMHO |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:01:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: As would I. I actually like the way it looks [shock], and it seems to be very controlable from the video I have seen. However. I DO NOT think that it does anything significantly better than an AR15/M16. I would not give up my AR for one, and I dont see it replacing the M4/M16. I agree. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:04:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: [url]www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf[/url] the charts pictured here are fucked up M4: - 8.85lbs [red]no f'in way[/red] - (price, for military, carbine only) $900 [red]not even to civilians[/red] - reliability: <6,000 rounds with regular cleaning and lubrication [red]yeah.. without cleaning and lube.. not with[/red] XM8: - component service life: >20,000 rounds (M4 only 8,000) - reliability: 20,000 rounds without cleaning and lube without stoppages or parts failures thats just the first couple out of many I remember hearing the same story about the M16 when it was first issued to troops in VietNam. From what I heard the story goes that they didn't need cleaning kits & supplies because they were suppose to be so trouble & maintence free. I withhold my judgement. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:06:40 AM EDT
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[Ahnold Terminator Voice] "A Laser Pulse Rifle in the 20 Megawatt range........" [End Ahnold Terminator Voice]
No thanks.......too much plastic. It does remind me of "STARSHIP TROOPERS" though. What's next? |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:09:46 AM EDT
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I'd buy it in an instant.
But I think for the forseeable future all XM-8's would be offered by HK only. There wouldn't be the robust, competitive market that exists for AR clones. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Gesus not another one... HK pulling the same kind of con job as RCBS. You mean RBCD. RCBS makes reloaders and associated accessories. |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:15:27 AM EDT
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Goldangit! That thing looks like it was made by Mattel*.
Rumor officially started by me, on this date. All rights reserved. [:D] |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:16:12 AM EDT
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I have some more Christmas lights to hang this afternoon, and a run to the post office before work.
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:20:00 AM EDT
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NEWS FLASH! TOYS R US got one more batch in just in time for christmas!Get your's before the U.S millitary gets them all!!!
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:26:48 AM EDT
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Same old HK propaganda, third or fourth time that this press release has been put out in the last 18 months. [rolleyes]
[beathorse] |
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Posted: 12/16/2003 11:29:26 AM EDT
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I hope they're developing a new 5.56 round to go with it, because the muzzle velocity out of the 12.5" carbine barrel is going to be about 2800 fps, and a whole lot lower out of the 9" compact carbine barrel. That's going to give you a pretty short fragmentation range.
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