Beef against part-timers?

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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:22:28 PM EDT

First off, I am not fully certified. Just Part Time II. I work 2 mornings a week and if another officer in my department has a difficult call or needs help... I respond any chance I get. Now the other officers in my department (only 4 - small town), love having me around. No one is forced to work over time when someone has to take off and I'm usually always around to help. But I've had problems with some of the county deputies.

Several times, one of the senoir deputies has told me to leave. One time direct, other times more like "We've got this HINT HINT".

More in depth, we had a suicide attempt in city limits. Only 1 officer on duty. The suspect was armed to his teeth... The officer arriving to the call requested back up. (I had my radio in my truck). Well, he kept asking and non of the dupties were near by... so I radio in and respond.

I get there just before one of the deputies arrived (with his partner). He came in and looked at me and said, "We've got enough people here, you can step out." Which the officer of my dept was kinda pissed about it, but had other things on my mind.

So I went outside and decided to deal with crowd control (don't you just love your curious civis?) But within 10-15 minutes, prolly 80% of the country dept was there. All inside the house, WTF? I guess I can take it in stride. I mean if their senior deputy said I was 1-to-many, but allowed 11 of his dept inside... So by his theory: 13 County Deputies < ME!!!

This is more or less a rant, but do you fully certified guys look down on the half-certs? or more so those in other departments? I know there has been a lot of auxillary screw ups in the world.

I guess the part I hate the most is the since of arrogance some of the deputies around here carry.

Posted: 10/5/2005 7:27:46 PM EDT

[#1]

Im not even a cop and I look down on you half certs....

sorry, good luck to ya!!

Posted: 10/5/2005 9:37:32 PM EDT

[#2]

Man, I don't know what part of the state you are in, but where I am we love our part time and reserve officers. Even though they might only have the part-time training, most of them know what they are doing. We don't ever turn down back-up.

Posted: 10/6/2005 6:37:21 AM EDT

[#3]

This sounds more like SD versus PD friction than a case of anti-part-timer syndrome. SD owns the scene, they probably don't want PD stepping on them.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but some depts behave this way when there's overlapping jurisdiction between city and county.

Posted: 10/6/2005 7:14:53 AM EDT

[#4]

Hey Sin, Luckily here in NJ our part-time II's (SLEO II) go through the same class as full time guys, just at night(5 hours) instead of the day and it spreads out a little longer.(9 months)

We have full police powers arrest/carry but we just do it on a part time basis. Not too many people look down on the class II's here because we do the same shit they do and are there to watch there backs. We will fill in shift's, patrol, do traffic duty, and some are extra just for crowd control.

The nice thing is when we get hired full time we do not have do go back to the academy it's waived. (in most towns) It's also a great stepping stone into getting hired, and alot of other states will look at a class II cert and pick them up right away.

I'm just curious how many hours is your class II training class?

Quoted:
First off, I am not fully certified. Just Part Time II. I work 2 mornings a week and if another officer in my department has a difficult call or needs help... I respond any chance I get. Now the other officers in my department (only 4 - small town), love having me around. No one is forced to work over time when someone has to take off and I'm usually always around to help. But I've had problems with some of the county deputies.

Several times, one of the senoir deputies has told me to leave. One time direct, other times more like "We've got this HINT HINT".

More in depth, we had a suicide attempt in city limits. Only 1 officer on duty. The suspect was armed to his teeth... The officer arriving to the call requested back up. (I had my radio in my truck). Well, he kept asking and non of the dupties were near by... so I radio in and respond.

I get there just before one of the deputies arrived (with his partner). He came in and looked at me and said, "We've got enough people here, you can step out." Which the officer of my dept was kinda pissed about it, but had other things on my mind.

So I went outside and decided to deal with crowd control (don't you just love your curious civis?) But within 10-15 minutes, prolly 80% of the country dept was there. All inside the house, WTF? I guess I can take it in stride. I mean if their senior deputy said I was 1-to-many, but allowed 11 of his dept inside... So by his theory: 13 County Deputies < ME!!!

This is more or less a rant, but do you fully certified guys look down on the half-certs? or more so those in other departments? I know there has been a lot of auxillary screw ups in the world.

I guess the part I hate the most is the since of arrogance some of the deputies around here carry.

Posted: 10/6/2005 8:22:51 AM EDT

[#5]

well, if it was your departments scene then you can tell the county guy to pound sand.

Back when I first started we had alot of friction between us and HPD. It's gotten tons better since then but for example. I was dispatched to an accident, at that time our dept policy required us to refer accidents to Houston PD. I'm holding the scene and have all the info and the CRB-3 form already filled out. The HPD officer arrives and I hand him the form all filled out. He looks at it, wads it up, and throws it on the ground. I say some choice words to him and leave.

Posted: 10/6/2005 9:37:39 AM EDT

[#6]

Reserves, Special Deputies, whatever you call them, fill a viatl role in many agencies, large or small. In bigger departments, they are often tasked with crowd and traffic control for major events. When I worked the road, I loved them for that. It allowed me to stay on patrol and make lockups.

In smaller agencies, they augment the sworn staff, ie: an extra gun on your scene. I loved them for that, too. I'll take whatever backup I can get. Sure, some of the reserve officers did not have as much experience, and they didn't want to make arrests (so they didn't have to go to court), but I always thought they were a big help, and they certainly were enthusiastic and willing to help any way they could.

Posted: 10/6/2005 9:43:21 AM EDT

[#7]

Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

Posted: 10/6/2005 9:56:40 AM EDT

[#8]

Talk to your chief and ask him/her where you stand, chain of command wise, in regard to the county deputies. If they don't figure into your chain of command, then you can (in a polite, professional manner) tell them to pound sand.

At my department, we have unpaid auxiliary officers and they are sworn and certified (in Virginia, you are either certified or not, there are no levels). Regular officers on the department out rank them on any scene within the city, but the auxiliary officer would "out rank" a county officer at any scene in outr jurisdiction. But since there is no visible distinction between auxiliary and regular officers, nobody knows who is regular or not anyways.

As far as the county deputies telling you to take off goes, reply with something like "Thanks...... but I'm going to stick around so I can learn how you professionals do it."

Hopefully, you will eventually get a full certification and the point will be moot...

!

Posted: 10/6/2005 10:15:06 AM EDT

[#9]

ryann, you have a good point, but such a blanket statement is bull shit. It depends on the department. A cop from Washington D.C. with a couple years under their belt will have experienced more than a small town cop in Virginia will experience in 20 years.

We have had new officers with 5+ years come to our department and they have not been able to hack it. Some even came from bigger, better funded departments, and they couldn't make it past probation.
And yet, we have had many of our auxiliaries who have gone on to full-time positions within our department as well as other departments and they have done very well.

Just because a cop is paid and does it as a full time job doesn't mean they are good at it....and I think that deep down, you know this is true.... despite what your "union" values lead you to believe.

It all comes down to training, certification and motivation to do a good job.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

Posted: 10/6/2005 10:51:54 AM EDT

[#10]

What an asinine statement, it's guys like you who Sin is complaining about in the first place.
Some part-timers/reserves want to be full time but either don't have the time, or the luck to get into a agency right away and are working there way up.

Other guys just might not want to work full time, they love there normal job's get paid well and just want to help out when they can, some.. they just always wanted to be a cop so it's the only way.

sorry, nothing personal.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:00:21 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
What an asinine statement, it's guys like you who Sin is complaining about in the first place.
Some part-timers/reserves want to be full time but either don't have the time, or the luck to get into a agency right away and are working there way up.

Other guys just might not want to work full time, they love there normal job's get paid well and just want to help out when they can, some.. they just always wanted to be a cop so it's the only way.

sorry, nothing personal.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:02:42 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
ryann, you have a good point, but such a blanket statement is bull shit. It depends on the department. A cop from Washington D.C. with a couple years under their belt will have experienced more than a small town cop in Virginia will experience in 20 years.

We have had new officers with 5+ years come to our department and they have not been able to hack it. Some even came from bigger, better funded departments, and they couldn't make it past probation.
And yet, we have had many of our auxiliaries who have gone on to full-time positions within our department as well as other departments and they have done very well.

Just because a cop is paid and does it as a full time job doesn't mean they are good at it....and I think that deep down, you know this is true.... despite what your "union" values lead you to believe.

It all comes down to training, certification and motivation to do a good job.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

I ain't in a union Pee-Wee, and you're right some departments do things differently, the fact is I have enough qualifications to be employed by a department that doesn't send a hobbyist as my backup.

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:12:08 AM EDT

[#13]

Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".

Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:27:59 AM EDT

[#14]

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ryann, you have a good point, but such a blanket statement is bull shit. It depends on the department. A cop from Washington D.C. with a couple years under their belt will have experienced more than a small town cop in Virginia will experience in 20 years.

We have had new officers with 5+ years come to our department and they have not been able to hack it. Some even came from bigger, better funded departments, and they couldn't make it past probation.
And yet, we have had many of our auxiliaries who have gone on to full-time positions within our department as well as other departments and they have done very well.

Just because a cop is paid and does it as a full time job doesn't mean they are good at it....and I think that deep down, you know this is true.... despite what your "union" values lead you to believe.

It all comes down to training, certification and motivation to do a good job.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

I ain't in a union Pee-Wee, and you're right some departments do things differently, the fact is I have enough qualifications to be employed by a department that doesn't send a hobbyist as my backup.

I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:41:53 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".
Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Ful timers annoy the reserves? The reserves are guests of the full timers, if they don't like it....
A brotherhood is born of trust and experience, not just lookalike clothing.
Is this forum full of part timers, reserves and wannabes?

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:43:38 AM EDT

[#16]

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ryann, you have a good point, but such a blanket statement is bull shit. It depends on the department. A cop from Washington D.C. with a couple years under their belt will have experienced more than a small town cop in Virginia will experience in 20 years.

We have had new officers with 5+ years come to our department and they have not been able to hack it. Some even came from bigger, better funded departments, and they couldn't make it past probation.
And yet, we have had many of our auxiliaries who have gone on to full-time positions within our department as well as other departments and they have done very well.

Just because a cop is paid and does it as a full time job doesn't mean they are good at it....and I think that deep down, you know this is true.... despite what your "union" values lead you to believe.

It all comes down to training, certification and motivation to do a good job.

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

I ain't in a union Pee-Wee, and you're right some departments do things differently, the fact is I have enough qualifications to be employed by a department that doesn't send a hobbyist as my backup.

I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!

How cute, a dog shooting reference-this is getting like GD.
Sorry I hurt your part time playatbeingacop feelings, but the question was asked.

Posted: 10/6/2005 11:51:34 AM EDT

[#17]

Here we go again.

More than half of our reservists are ex or retired captains, chiefs, SWAT, TOs, arrest control instructors, dets, etc. Do I want them in my car? You bet your ass.

To the young guys, just pay your dues and press on.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:07:37 PM EDT

[#18]

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Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".
Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Ful timers annoy the reserves? The reserves are guests of the full timers, if they don't like it....
A brotherhood is born of trust and experience, not just lookalike clothing.
Is this forum full of part timers, reserves and wannabes?

Perhaps....just like it seems to also have an asshole or two that think they are the be-all end-all of LE.

Over 80% of the regular full-time officers on my department (about 60 people) started off as auxiliary officers. That pretty much speaks for the quality of the program.

You have apparently worked for some departments that couldn't recruit, equip and train good, high quality reserve/auxiliary officers. Your loss.....

Oh....and the "guest" comment is great.

Way to paint every department with the same brush, oh great one. Auxiliary/reserve officers around here patrol on their own, unless still in FTO.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:18:53 PM EDT

[#19]

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Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".
Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Ful timers annoy the reserves? The reserves are guests of the full timers, if they don't like it....
A brotherhood is born of trust and experience, not just lookalike clothing.
Is this forum full of part timers, reserves and wannabes?

Perhaps....just like it seems to also have an asshole or two that think they are the be-all end-all of LE.

Over 80% of the regular full-time officers on my department (about 60 people) started off as auxiliary officers. That pretty much speaks for the quality of the program.

You have apparently worked for some departments that couldn't recruit, equip and train good, high quality reserve/auxiliary officers. Your loss.....

Oh....and the "guest" comment is great.
Way to paint every department with the same brush, oh great one. Auxiliary/reserve officers around here patrol on their own, unless still in FTO.

To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:36:31 PM EDT

[#20]

If I was in a stuation that another officer fucked up, on duty or not, I'd raise hell whether they were full-time or volunteer.....whats your point? That you wouldn't complain if it was a regular officer that was a fuckup in that situation?

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Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".
Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Ful timers annoy the reserves? The reserves are guests of the full timers, if they don't like it....
A brotherhood is born of trust and experience, not just lookalike clothing.
Is this forum full of part timers, reserves and wannabes?

Perhaps....just like it seems to also have an asshole or two that think they are the be-all end-all of LE.

Over 80% of the regular full-time officers on my department (about 60 people) started off as auxiliary officers. That pretty much speaks for the quality of the program.

You have apparently worked for some departments that couldn't recruit, equip and train good, high quality reserve/auxiliary officers. Your loss.....

Oh....and the "guest" comment is great.
Way to paint every department with the same brush, oh great one. Auxiliary/reserve officers around here patrol on their own, unless still in FTO.

To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:42:59 PM EDT

[#21]

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If I was in a stuation that another officer fucked up, on duty or not, I'd raise hell whether they were full-time or volunteer.....whats your point? That you wouldn't complain if it was a regular officer that was a fuckup in that situation?

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Sure certain reserves are going to annoy you but guess what alot of full timers annoy the reserves, so we should hate them all?

As for your lawyer example, well yes if he know's his shit why not?

You cocky guys are whats wronge with LE.

It's always sad when you have a fellow brother thinking he is high and mighty. Be nice to the part timers one might have to save your punk ass sometime.

It's called a "brotherhood" for a reason, and yes part timers are part of our "Brotherhood".
Quoted:

Sin asked-tough shit if he didn't like the answer. I've done this job well over two decades, and on more than one occasion I've been rocking along handling a situation only to have some reserve butt into my conversation and get his two cents in. You wanna do this job, do it for real or find another hobby. Would you trust your ass legally to a part time lawyer?

Ful timers annoy the reserves? The reserves are guests of the full timers, if they don't like it....
A brotherhood is born of trust and experience, not just lookalike clothing.
Is this forum full of part timers, reserves and wannabes?

Perhaps....just like it seems to also have an asshole or two that think they are the be-all end-all of LE.

Over 80% of the regular full-time officers on my department (about 60 people) started off as auxiliary officers. That pretty much speaks for the quality of the program.

You have apparently worked for some departments that couldn't recruit, equip and train good, high quality reserve/auxiliary officers. Your loss.....

Oh....and the "guest" comment is great.
Way to paint every department with the same brush, oh great one. Auxiliary/reserve officers around here patrol on their own, unless still in FTO.

To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

Umm the odds are higher that the hobbyist cop, without real time-full time experience, would screw the call up to a higher degree than a professional full time officer. The fact that he wasn't a real cops in the first place would exacerbate the situation, in my mind.
Aren't I bigoted against those who play at what I do for a living? I'm such a lil stinker.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:45:29 PM EDT

[#22]

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To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

It must be nice to have 2999 back-up officers just waiting on you to call. Unfortunately, those of us in smaller communities or rural areas do not have that luxury. We train our part-time and reserves, and depend on them for assistance. They are not play cops, they are guys that for whatever reason do not chose or are unable to do the job full-time for a check. Prime example is one of our reserves. He makes about 2 1/2 times what I make on his "day job". He then puts in usually 32 hours a week working with us for no pay. He does this because he wants to serve his community, and yet he is able to give his family a better standard of living than any full-time officer in the county. Cannot fault him for that.

Tell me you don't think that a full-time officer is also capable of screwing up a call at times.

For what it's worth, I've been on the job 10 years, my family does depend on this check, and I most respectfully don't agree with you.

Posted: 10/6/2005 12:55:50 PM EDT

[#23]

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To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

It must be nice to have 2999 back-up officers just waiting on you to call. Unfortunately, those of us in smaller communities or rural areas do not have that luxury. We train our part-time and reserves, and depend on them for assistance. They are not play cops, they are guys that for whatever reason do not chose or are unable to do the job full-time for a check. Prime example is one of our reserves. He makes about 2 1/2 times what I make on his "day job". He then puts in usually 32 hours a week working with us for no pay. He does this because he wants to serve his community, and yet he is able to give his family a better standard of living than any full-time officer in the county. Cannot fault him for that.

Tell me you don't think that a full-time officer is also capable of screwing up a call at times.

For what it's worth, I've been on the job 10 years, my family does depend on this check, and I most respectfully don't agree with you.

FWIW, spread 2999 cops out over a city of a million plus, over 6 patrol divisions, throw in the manpower spread over 3 shifts plus all the investigative and admin positions, and I don't have 2999 cops as a "luxury" to back me up.
If you're comfortable with cover that hasn't made a full time committment to maybe be the difference between you going home or to the morgue, then more power to you. Myself, I have more respect for the rookie with his first day on the job (as an FTO, I've had a lot in my car) with a committment than I do some armed civilian observer. But that's just me.

Posted: 10/6/2005 6:16:14 PM EDT

[#24]

I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!

How cute, a dog shooting reference-this is getting like GD.
Sorry I hurt your part time playatbeingacop feelings, but the question was asked.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings....ouch man. youre ruthless i should probably see a counselor.

Lets re-cap shall we,

your a 20 year vetern, supercop, and have no use for anyone other than other supercops (doesnt indule rookies with less experience than a reserve as long as they are getting paid).

Sounds to me like you got a chip on your shoulder, not because these guys are less qualified (many of them have more experience than the full timers) but rather becuase they chose another profession and that profession probably makes more money than you...

You think if they aren't gettin their check from the same place you are that you're putting more on the line? Yep, i'm a reserve you got me. My FTO and Capt is a FORTY year veteran who's retired from two depts. think you've got more experience than him? I start the academy in march (on my own dime) which is EXACTLY the same academy the Full timers go to spread out every other weekend for over 14 months. Think thats not a commitment? You can sling all the insults you want at part timers. I dont think anyone here is going to lose any sleep over your opinion, its just a shame you might meet someone who wants to be a reserve or otherwise and your the impression they'd get of a "typical cop".

I'm off to bed now, i gotta go to my regular old silly job tomorrow at 7 and then I patrol 3rd shift tomorrow night so better get some sleep.

To anyone thinking about being a reserve, dont sweat it. I havent met a single deputy or city cop that was anything but helpful and appreciatave for any help we provide.

stay safe boys...

Posted: 10/6/2005 10:55:00 PM EDT

[#25]

I work for the Stae Of Illinois full time as a coreections officer, I work part time as a police officer in a town of about 5,000. I make three times as much for the state as I do the pd. I went to pti and I am state certified. I have seen both full time officers and part time officers who werent worth a crap. we rely on part time officers alot. To me it doesn'tmatter who is backing me up. There are screw ups in all walks of life so you just take the good with the bad. I go to training as much as possible. I dont know what else to say, I just know we are all in this job together and when you start to seclude your brothers you push the people away who might be backing you up when you need it the most. Stay safe JC

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:06:46 AM EDT

[#26]

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To each his own, you have your opinion & I have mine. If I was off duty and needed a cop bad in the town I live in (I work for a 3,000 officer department, we don't seem to have too much trouble finding real cops or reserves) and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call, I'd raise hell until I couldn't speak.
Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

It must be nice to have 2999 back-up officers just waiting on you to call. Unfortunately, those of us in smaller communities or rural areas do not have that luxury. We train our part-time and reserves, and depend on them for assistance. They are not play cops, they are guys that for whatever reason do not chose or are unable to do the job full-time for a check. Prime example is one of our reserves. He makes about 2 1/2 times what I make on his "day job". He then puts in usually 32 hours a week working with us for no pay. He does this because he wants to serve his community, and yet he is able to give his family a better standard of living than any full-time officer in the county. Cannot fault him for that.

Tell me you don't think that a full-time officer is also capable of screwing up a call at times.

For what it's worth, I've been on the job 10 years, my family does depend on this check, and I most respectfully don't agree with you.

In our rural county in Northern Mi we have a low budget and a small SD, without Reserves the night shift guys are out there alone. Some of our reserves are idiots but so are some of the "certified" guys. Alot of us who do Reserve work take it very seriously and do it for the community as we do not get paid and we also buy all our own equipment. I have yet to see anyone on 4-12 or 12-8 turn down a Reserve partner...

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:46:36 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!

How cute, a dog shooting reference-this is getting like GD.
Sorry I hurt your part time playatbeingacop feelings, but the question was asked.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings....ouch man. youre ruthless i should probably see a counselor.

Lets re-cap shall we,

your a 20 year vetern, supercop, and have no use for anyone other than other supercops (doesnt indule rookies with less experience than a reserve as long as they are getting paid).

Sounds to me like you got a chip on your shoulder, not because these guys are less qualified (many of them have more experience than the full timers) but rather becuase they chose another profession and that profession probably makes more money than you...

You think if they aren't gettin their check from the same place you are that you're putting more on the line? Yep, i'm a reserve you got me. My FTO and Capt is a FORTY year veteran who's retired from two depts. think you've got more experience than him? I start the academy in march (on my own dime) which is EXACTLY the same academy the Full timers go to spread out every other weekend for over 14 months. Think thats not a commitment? You can sling all the insults you want at part timers. I dont think anyone here is going to lose any sleep over your opinion, its just a shame you might meet someone who wants to be a reserve or otherwise and your the impression they'd get of a "typical cop".

I'm off to bed now, i gotta go to my regular old silly job tomorrow at 7 and then I patrol 3rd shift tomorrow night so better get some sleep.

To anyone thinking about being a reserve, dont sweat it. I havent met a single deputy or city cop that was anything but helpful and appreciatave for any help we provide.

stay safe boys...

Hmmm in your mind I'm supercop because I take what I do seriously enough to put my money where my mouth is? At least a brand new full time rookie's making the committment,. You get your little feewings hurt way too easily, you don't sound like you'd pass the psychological test for a full service police department.
In most police circles, it takes 5 years for an officer to become a well rounded veteran-stretch that out how long with a reserve before he's competent?
Have fun with the varsity team, I'm getting bored with this.

Posted: 10/7/2005 4:49:44 AM EDT

[#28]

What an asshole, since when is a part timer a play cop?
Last I checked a gun and a badge are not toy's.
I thank god we don't have dick heads like you in my agency.

Quoted:
and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call

Posted: 10/7/2005 5:42:52 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!

How cute, a dog shooting reference-this is getting like GD.
Sorry I hurt your part time playatbeingacop feelings, but the question was asked.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings....ouch man. youre ruthless i should probably see a counselor.

Lets re-cap shall we,

your a 20 year vetern, supercop, and have no use for anyone other than other supercops (doesnt indule rookies with less experience than a reserve as long as they are getting paid).

Sounds to me like you got a chip on your shoulder, not because these guys are less qualified (many of them have more experience than the full timers) but rather becuase they chose another profession and that profession probably makes more money than you...

You think if they aren't gettin their check from the same place you are that you're putting more on the line? Yep, i'm a reserve you got me. My FTO and Capt is a FORTY year veteran who's retired from two depts. think you've got more experience than him? I start the academy in march (on my own dime) which is EXACTLY the same academy the Full timers go to spread out every other weekend for over 14 months. Think thats not a commitment? You can sling all the insults you want at part timers. I dont think anyone here is going to lose any sleep over your opinion, its just a shame you might meet someone who wants to be a reserve or otherwise and your the impression they'd get of a "typical cop".

I'm off to bed now, i gotta go to my regular old silly job tomorrow at 7 and then I patrol 3rd shift tomorrow night so better get some sleep.

To anyone thinking about being a reserve, dont sweat it. I havent met a single deputy or city cop that was anything but helpful and appreciatave for any help we provide.

stay safe boys...

Hmmm in your mind I'm supercop because I take what I do seriously enough to put my money where my mouth is? At least a brand new full time rookie's making the committment,. You get your little feewings hurt way too easily, you don't sound like you'd pass the psychological test for a full service police department.
In most police circles, it takes 5 years for an officer to become a well rounded veteran-stretch that out how long with a reserve before he's competent?
Have fun with the varsity team, I'm getting bored with this.

you should be because you suck at it...

no in my mind your a dick, in your mind your a supercop becuase you think you better than everyone else. and you keep saying you hurt my feelings? are you that concerned? btw, reserves here go through the exact same hiring procedures (polygraph, psych test, and interviews) as everyone else, so unless you have anymore brilliant insight i'll just let this one go its way.

Posted: 10/7/2005 5:49:45 AM EDT

[#30]

I'm with you lostwildcat, I think this "top cop" aka dickus is confusing part time officers with volunteers or something.

Quoted:
Quoted:
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I know whats going on here...a part timer didnt know you were such an experience po-po and he shot your dog and ran off with your wife didnt he!HowSorry I hurt your part time playatbeingacop feelings, but the question was asked.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings....ouch man. youre ruthless i should probably see a counselor.

Lets re-cap shall we,

your a 20 year vetern, supercop, and have no use for anyone other than other supercops (doesnt indule rookies with less experience than a reserve as long as they are getting paid).

Sounds to me like you got a chip on your shoulder, not because these guys are less qualified (many of them have more experience than the full timers) but rather becuase they chose another profession and that profession probably makes more money than you...

You think if they aren't gettin their check from the same place you are that you're putting more on the line? Yep, i'm a reserve you got me. My FTO and Capt is a FORTY year veteran who's retired from two depts. think you've got more experience than him? I start the academy in march (on my own dime) which is EXACTLY the same academy the Full timers go to spread out every other weekend for over 14 months. Think thats not a commitment? You can sling all the insults you want at part timers. I dont think anyone here is going to lose any sleep over your opinion, its just a shame you might meet someone who wants to be a reserve or otherwise and your the impression they'd get of a "typical cop".

I'm off to bed now, i gotta go to my regular old silly job tomorrow at 7 and then I patrol 3rd shift tomorrow night so better get some sleep.

To anyone thinking about being a reserve, dont sweat it. I havent met a single deputy or city cop that was anything but helpful and appreciatave for any help we provide.

stay safe boys...

Hmmm in your mind I'm supercop because I take what I do seriously enough to put my money where my mouth is? At least a brand new full time rookie's making the committment,. You get your little feewings hurt way too easily, you don't sound like you'd pass the psychological test for a full service police department.
In most police circles, it takes 5 years for an officer to become a well rounded veteran-stretch that out how long with a reserve before he's competent?
Have fun with the varsity team, I'm getting bored with this.

you should be because you suck at it...

no in my mind your a dick, in your mind your a supercop becuase you think you better than everyone else. and you keep saying you hurt my feelings? are you that concerned? btw, reserves here go through the exact same hiring procedures (polygraph, psych test, and interviews) as everyone else, so unless you have anymore brilliant insight i'll just let this one go its way.

Posted: 10/7/2005 6:59:18 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
What an asshole, since when is a part timer a play cop?
Last I checked a gun and a badge are not toy's.
I thank god we don't have dick heads like you in my agency.

Quoted:
and they sent a play cop and he fucked up the call

If they let armed civilians run your department, I'm also glad I'm not with your agency.
(Jack Nicholson) "You can't handle the truth!" (Jack Nicholson)

Graduate up to all nine innings instead of sitting on the bench.

Ya know this thread started with the dude that admitted he wasn't even certified, and he asked the question and I responded. All you insecure drama queens then got your back hair up at the mere thought of a contrary answer....oh well, honesty is my forte.
Go varsity!

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:09:13 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Ya know this thread started with the dude that admitted he wasn't even certified, and he asked the question and I responded. All you insecure drama queens then got your back hair up at the mere thought of a contrary answer....oh well, honesty is my forte.
Go varsity!hr

I'm done with this stupid subject.. it's really a no brainer.. well for most of us

Maybe they havent been through the things you have, and maybe they're not the Supercop you are, but they are members of the same Brotherhood, and they may be the one thing that stands between you and death one day. On that day do you want them to be a Cop?

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:15:27 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Ya know this thread started with the dude that admitted he wasn't even certified, and he asked the question and I responded. All you insecure drama queens then got your back hair up at the mere thought of a contrary answer....oh well, honesty is my forte.
Go varsity!

I'm done with this stupid subject.. it's really a no brainer.. well for most of us

Maybe they havent been through the things you have, and maybe they're not the Supercop you are, but they are members of the same Brotherhood, and they may be the one thing that stands between you and death one day. On that day do you want them to be a Cop?

We finally agree-it is a no brainer.

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:18:47 AM EDT

[#34]

Yes, but don't make the mistake of lumping volunteers in with the "lesser than" crowd.
Our auxiliary officers are volunteers. They all went through the same hiring process as the regular officers (written test , physical ability test, psych exam, medical exam, oral review board and background investigation) . They are all state certified (attend same academy, for the same amount of time as the regular officers). They have to maintain the same in-service training and qualifications and they have to make it through the same 450 hour FTO training as the regular officers. All of this while working a regular job. It takes them, on average, two years in trainng before they are qualified to patrol solo. The auxiliaries on my department also do other things besides patrol. They also do under cover work (for prostitution stings, drug buys, etc...), work as uniformed arrest teams for the narcs, UC surveillence, to name a few. They are also eligible for positions on the SWAT team, Bike Team, Equestrian Squad and Honor Guard. They can go to any school that they want to (except K-9 and the state forensics school).
By the very fact that they are permitted to participate in these activities, it shows that they are capable and dedicated.

By ryann's definition, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps reservists and members of the Army and Air National Guard are not really qualified to be called military, since they only "play" at it.

Oh well. he got the (negative) attention that he so craves.

Quoted:
I'm with you lostwildcat, I think this "top cop" aka dickus is confusing part time officers with volunteers or something.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:01:41 AM EDT

[#35]

You cannot compare mitary reserves with police reserves, that is so apple/oranges that I ain't even gonna go there.
You guys just keep on blowin' the trumpet of the part timers, reserves, auxillarys or whatever ya wanna call 'em....and while the Junior Varsitys doing your job for free, did it ever occur to you that if they didn't exist your department would have to hire more full time officers?
I wonder how these hangers on would feel if full time cops showed up at their real work place, asserted themselves as equals and started doing their jobs for free..............

I believe we're at whats called an impasse on this debate.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:36:40 AM EDT

[#36]

My department currently has 3 openings and another two will open up by January, mainly due to retirements. Add to that the fact that the city council just approved a few more positions. The department only hires certified people. If they don't get any auxiliary officers to take the regular positions, they then hire certified people from the outside. Within the past year, four new people were hired from outside agancies. Of the four, one is left....but he still has to make it through probabtion. Usually, we lose one or two people who move on to bigger, better paying departments, so they pretty much average hiring 2 people every year.

We have people that want to take vacations with their families but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have guys who want to go to a school but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have off-duty details that won't get covered unless an auxiliary officer works it because the regular guys have to work so much O/T that they don't want to work them.

So, you tell me how the auxiliary officers are taking money or jobs away from the regular officers or are preventing the city from creating additional positions.

How are military reserves and police reserves "apples to oranges"?
A typical military reservist works one weekend a month and one two week period a year. So that's about.....lets just say 400 hours a year. The auxiliary officers on my department average between 350 and 1000 hours per year. Looks like apples to apples to me.

This debate is only at an impasse because you are not capable of supporting your "argument".
For someone who claims "I ain't a union pee-wee" you sure act like one.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:56:10 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
My department currently has 3 openings and another two will open up by January, mainly due to retirements. Add to that the fact that the city council just approved a few more positions. The department only hires certified people. If they don't get any auxiliary officers to take the regular positions, they then hire certified people from the outside. Within the past year, four new people were hired from outside agancies. Of the four, one is left....but he still has to make it through probabtion. Usually, we lose one or two people who move on to bigger, better paying departments, so they pretty much average hiring 2 people every year.

We have people that want to take vacations with their families but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have guys who want to go to a school but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have off-duty details that won't get covered unless an auxiliary officer works it because the regular guys have to work so much O/T that they don't want to work them.

So, you tell me how the auxiliary officers are taking money or jobs away from the regular officers or are preventing the city from creating additional positions.

How are military reserves and police reserves "apples to oranges"?
A typical military reservist works one weekend a month and one two week period a year. So that's about.....lets just say 400 hours a year. The auxiliary officers on my department average between 350 and 1000 hours per year. Looks like apples to apples to me.

This debate is only at an impasse because you are not capable of supporting your "argument".
For someone who claims "I ain't a union pee-wee" you sure act like one.

That typical military reservist you're talking about operates as a team member with others on his team, not as a solo individual-that aside, that reserve is also called up and shipped overseas to become a full time soldier/sailor/marine. Reserves, or whatever, simply play at what they do, I don't give a shit how much formal training they get, training is just that, an introduction to the job. The real job is learned hands on, which is why recruits spends as much time on field training as they do in an academy.
Am I supporting my argument? Get it now? I doubt it, because you're so insecure about your LE position that no logic or cogent debate is going to sway you. You and your other brethren have resorted to personal attacks in this debate, and I've tried to refrain from that other than branding you play cops or partimers. Well to be frank, and I'm making a blanket statement here and you could be the exception, only you know, but part time, reserves or whatever you want to call them are simply the second string, the back up or support service if you will to the real full time cops.
Why don't you take one of those full time positions with your department? Can't handle it? If I had to depend on the JV to cover me so I could take a vacation, I'd spend that vacation time looking for a real department to work for.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:23:32 AM EDT

[#38]

I bet alot of guys would love help at there real work place whenever they could get it.. especially if there trained the same way you are.

Quoted:
I wonder how these hangers on would feel if full time cops showed up at their real work place, asserted themselves as equals and started doing their jobs for free..............

I believe we're at whats called an impasse on this debate.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:27:34 AM EDT

[#39]

So, are you saying that your department members don't work as a team?

The auxiliary officers on my dept. are considered part of the same "team" by every squad they work with. When they come into roll-call they are treated just like they were a permanent member of that squad. They get assigned a car and a beat just like the regular officers.
They are required to pull their own weight....and if they aren't capable, they are fired.
Sure looks like they are part of the team don't it.

I'll give you props for trying to support your argument though. Perhaps one day, you will be able to get your insecurities in check and realize that your blanket assessment of part-time, reserve and auxiliary police officers is incorrect. Heh, but I bet hell would have to freeze over first...

Quoted:
Quoted:
My department currently has 3 openings and another two will open up by January, mainly due to retirements. Add to that the fact that the city council just approved a few more positions. The department only hires certified people. If they don't get any auxiliary officers to take the regular positions, they then hire certified people from the outside. Within the past year, four new people were hired from outside agancies. Of the four, one is left....but he still has to make it through probabtion. Usually, we lose one or two people who move on to bigger, better paying departments, so they pretty much average hiring 2 people every year.

We have people that want to take vacations with their families but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have guys who want to go to a school but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have off-duty details that won't get covered unless an auxiliary officer works it because the regular guys have to work so much O/T that they don't want to work them.

So, you tell me how the auxiliary officers are taking money or jobs away from the regular officers or are preventing the city from creating additional positions.

How are military reserves and police reserves "apples to oranges"?
A typical military reservist works one weekend a month and one two week period a year. So that's about.....lets just say 400 hours a year. The auxiliary officers on my department average between 350 and 1000 hours per year. Looks like apples to apples to me.

This debate is only at an impasse because you are not capable of supporting your "argument".
For someone who claims "I ain't a union pee-wee" you sure act like one.

That typical military reservist you're talking about operates as a team member with others on his team, not as a solo individual-that aside, that reserve is also called up and shipped overseas to become a full time soldier/sailor/marine. Reserves, or whatever, simply play at what they do, I don't give a shit how much formal training they get, training is just that, an introduction to the job. The real job is learned hands on, which is why recruits spends as much time on field training as they do in an academy.
Am I supporting my argument? Get it now? I doubt it, because you're so insecure about your LE position that no logic or cogent debate is going to sway you. You and your other brethren have resorted to personal attacks in this debate, and I've tried to refrain from that other than branding you play cops or partimers. Well to be frank, and I'm making a blanket statement here and you could be the exception, only you know, but part time, reserves or whatever you want to call them are simply the second string, the back up or support service if you will to the real full time cops.
Why don't you take one of those full time positions with your department? Can't handle it? If I had to depend on the JV to cover me so I could take a vacation, I'd spend that vacation time looking for a real department to work for.

Posted: 10/7/2005 10:35:37 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

I see, it is a union issue. BTW... you are a civilian.

Posted: 10/7/2005 12:49:29 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
So, are you saying that your department members don't work as a team?

The auxiliary officers on my dept. are considered part of the same "team" by every squad they work with. When they come into roll-call they are treated just like they were a permanent member of that squad. They get assigned a car and a beat just like the regular officers.
They are required to pull their own weight....and if they aren't capable, they are fired.
Sure looks like they are part of the team don't it.

I'll give you props for trying to support your argument though. Perhaps one day, you will be able to get your insecurities in check and realize that your blanket assessment of part-time, reserve and auxiliary police officers is incorrect. Heh, but I bet hell would have to freeze over first...

Quoted:
Quoted:
My department currently has 3 openings and another two will open up by January, mainly due to retirements. Add to that the fact that the city council just approved a few more positions. The department only hires certified people. If they don't get any auxiliary officers to take the regular positions, they then hire certified people from the outside. Within the past year, four new people were hired from outside agancies. Of the four, one is left....but he still has to make it through probabtion. Usually, we lose one or two people who move on to bigger, better paying departments, so they pretty much average hiring 2 people every year.

We have people that want to take vacations with their families but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have guys who want to go to a school but can't unless an auxiliary works some of their time off so their shift won't be short.
We have off-duty details that won't get covered unless an auxiliary officer works it because the regular guys have to work so much O/T that they don't want to work them.

So, you tell me how the auxiliary officers are taking money or jobs away from the regular officers or are preventing the city from creating additional positions.

How are military reserves and police reserves "apples to oranges"?
A typical military reservist works one weekend a month and one two week period a year. So that's about.....lets just say 400 hours a year. The auxiliary officers on my department average between 350 and 1000 hours per year. Looks like apples to apples to me.

This debate is only at an impasse because you are not capable of supporting your "argument".
For someone who claims "I ain't a union pee-wee" you sure act like one.

That typical military reservist you're talking about operates as a team member with others on his team, not as a solo individual-that aside, that reserve is also called up and shipped overseas to become a full time soldier/sailor/marine. Reserves, or whatever, simply play at what they do, I don't give a shit how much formal training they get, training is just that, an introduction to the job. The real job is learned hands on, which is why recruits spends as much time on field training as they do in an academy.
Am I supporting my argument? Get it now? I doubt it, because you're so insecure about your LE position that no logic or cogent debate is going to sway you. You and your other brethren have resorted to personal attacks in this debate, and I've tried to refrain from that other than branding you play cops or partimers. Well to be frank, and I'm making a blanket statement here and you could be the exception, only you know, but part time, reserves or whatever you want to call them are simply the second string, the back up or support service if you will to the real full time cops.
Why don't you take one of those full time positions with your department? Can't handle it? If I had to depend on the JV to cover me so I could take a vacation, I'd spend that vacation time looking for a real department to work for.

If you had any real experience in police work, you'd recognize that the "team" disperses after roll call, and most decisions on the street are made quickly without consultation with the "team."
Most of the incidents I've been involved in that were major started out with just me and the rookie I was training-but you just don't get that do ya junior.
The military, on the other hand, do things as a unit.
Every reserve I've EVER been around wanted to set conditions, such as leave my name out of the report, because I don't get paid for court.
Instead of defending your silly position ad nausem, why don't you just apply to a major full service department that you can afford to work for? Or does the thought of being a smaller fish in a bigger pond intimidate you?
Ok I'll play along just to placate you-you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggonit the full time cops like you!

Posted: 10/7/2005 12:53:48 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

I see, it is a union issue. BTW... you are a civilian.

No it's not a union issue-and in the context of this thread, the civilians are the part timers.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:01:16 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Forgive my candor, BUT-if you wanna do this job, don't play at it as a part time or reserve, put your commitment on the line and make it your bread and butter.
Frankly, it's not a job to do part time, it takes 5 years of full time work for a rookie to graduate to veteran officer. Sorry. Nothing personal.

Cops that work the downtown district of Little Rock that make it to a one year on the streets are considered old hands. The 5 years thing is from where he is at, and he obviously has a holier than thou attitude problem, and would most likely treat you like the deputies do. Don't pay attention to him, or people like him. Do your job to the best of your abilities and let your admin know what's going on, lots of times deputies get on power trips.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:06:59 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Someday when you make this your real job with a check your family depends on, you'll look back on this debate and find yourself agreeing with me.

I see, it is a union issue. BTW... you are a civilian.

No it's not a union issue-and in the context of this thread, the civilians are the part timers.

i thought you were getting bored? for such a supercop you sure do spend a lot of time makin an ass of yourself. just a hint here detective...if everyone around you thinks your a dick but you, you're probably a dick. and you suck at arguing your postion, you dont defend your position, save making accusations and blanket statements against people who could very well be better trained than you. (see my capt a 40 year veteran of 2 depts) at anyrate the rest of your detractors here are doinga pretty good job of calling you out so i'm done.

try to think before you type and try to back up your thoughts with logical statements. otherwise your just another

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:09:30 PM EDT

[#45]

I wonder if Ryann has gotten it through his head yet that everyone thinks he's a DICK and he stands alone in his fucked up point of view.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:28:00 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
I wonder if Ryann has gotten it through his head yet that everyone thinks he's a DICK and he stands alone in his fucked up point of view.

Ha Ha.....the only ones that seem to think I'm a dick are the sensitive 2nd stringers; and oh, how it hurts!

Somebody posted that one year cops in downtown Little Rock are old heads-that got more than a chuckle outta me.
5 years full time boys & boys, then you too can call yourselves veterans.

"Cops that work the downtown district of Little Rock that make it to a one year on the streets are considered old hands..." dusty c

Well, that old clock on the wall tells me I can't chit chat with you grizzeld old head part timers anymore, so be careful out there during your 8 hour a week tour of duty.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:33:19 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I wonder if Ryann has gotten it through his head yet that everyone thinks he's a DICK and he stands alone in his fucked up point of view.

Ha Ha.....the only ones that seem to think I'm a dick are the sensitive 2nd stringers; and oh, how it hurts!

Somebody posted that one year cops in downtown Little Rock are old heads-that got more than a chuckle outta me.
5 years full time boys & boys, then you too can call yourselves veterans.

"Cops that work the downtown district of Little Rock that make it to a one year on the streets are considered old hands..." dusty c

You go work the downtown district of LR and see if you make it a year. Then come back and talk biggun.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:38:53 PM EDT

[#48]

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If you had any real experience in police work, you'd recognize that the "team" disperses after roll call, and most decisions on the street are made quickly without consultation with the "team."
Most of the incidents I've been involved in that were major started out with just me and the rookie I was training-but you just don't get that do ya junior.
The military, on the other hand, do things as a unit.
Every reserve I've EVER been around wanted to set conditions, such as leave my name out of the report, because I don't get paid for court.
Instead of defending your silly position ad nausem, why don't you just apply to a major full service department that you can afford to work for? Or does the thought of being a smaller fish in a bigger pond intimidate you?
Ok I'll play along just to placate you-you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggonit the full time cops like you!

Wow....lotsa teamwork on your dept.
My department works together as a team. We check up on each other during vehicle stops all the time. We jump each others call if we are closer. If they don't dispatch more than one unit we will head to someones call anyway until they say they don't need anyone. We all communicate and work together as a team in order to keep each other safe and better protect our citizens. Even the few slackers and asholes on the department don't have to worry that they will be left high and dry when they need help.

You say that EVERY reserve you have been around has "wanted to set conditions such as leave my name out of the report, because I don't get paid for court."
Did you ever think that they do this because you and your buddies treat them like shit?

Many times the regular officers on my department will practically beg an auxiliary officer to let them take over an arrest (like drunk in pub, disorderly conduct, etc...) and they will usually offer to take over accident reports (and the associated charges) as well, because they have performance objectives to meet (or exceed if their Sgt. is a stat whore).

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, your departments reserve program is disfunctional and not the norm across the whole country? Did you ever think that maybe if you supported your reserve officers that they would do a better job and not pass off reports on you poor guys?

Your arguement is flawed because you refuse to acknowlege the fact that your departments reserve program is flawed and is not representative of the rest of the country. And the likely reason your departments reserve program sucks is because of the other narrow minded individuals on your department like yourself who perpetuate it.

Typical union man....bitch about it but don't lift a finger to improve it.

Posted: 10/7/2005 1:49:24 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I wonder if Ryann has gotten it through his head yet that everyone thinks he's a DICK and he stands alone in his fucked up point of view.

Ha Ha.....the only ones that seem to think I'm a dick are the sensitive 2nd stringers; and oh, how it hurts!

Somebody posted that one year cops in downtown Little Rock are old heads-that got more than a chuckle outta me.
5 years full time boys & boys, then you too can call yourselves veterans.

"Cops that work the downtown district of Little Rock that make it to a one year on the streets are considered old hands..." dusty c

You go work the downtown district of LR and see if you make it a year. Then come back and talk biggun.

Just as I was signing off, I checked and saw this-without trying to sound like boasting junior, I've worked the roughest areas in the 9th largest city in the country for 2 decades. I've got the scars and the hero bars to prove it. I'm sure LR is a rough city, but you could drop it in the middle of downtown Dallas and I doubt you'd find it again-so don't give me that kind of crap, OK?
I don't blame you if you think I'm a dick on this issue, but FWIW I've paid my dues in the big city.
And with that, I'm outta here

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:02:44 PM EDT

[#50]

I'm a reservist with the local SO.

Had to go through the same hiring procedures as the full timers.
Have to do the same continuing education.
I am sworn.
I get paid $30 a month so we are on the county payroll and are eligible for workmans comp, etc..
I have to buy my own stuff except for uniforms.
I outshoot 99.9% of the full timers at qualifying. I have had many compliments from the SWAT guys.

Why I don't go fulltime?

I make four times as much as a full time deputy in my day job.

I'm a wannabe though...

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