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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:32:20 PM EDT
Buddy at my work just bought a bear hunt in Canada. The outfitter says most shots are inside 100 yards.  He is planning on taking a 444 marlin lever action and is looking for a recommendation on bullet selection. My knowledge on lever guns and bullets is almost zero so seeking advice from the hive.

He sold his 45-70 a year ago and out side of a muzzle load 50csl the 444  is his largest caliber. He thought about his browning xbolt 308 but it's a 24 in bull barrel very heavy
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 12:34:22 PM EDT
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It's just a black bear, any bullet that he shoots accurately will get the job done with a 444 marlin
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 12:35:25 PM EDT
[#2]
I always tag bear threads. In.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:42:12 PM EDT
[#3]
For black bear anything should do.

This would do too https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=158
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:44:22 PM EDT
[#4]
I shot mine with a 165gr in a 7mag
Poleaxed that thing. Only went about 10 yards.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:45:25 PM EDT
[#5]
They're really no harder to kill than any other medium sized game. Most anything will work. Where at in canada?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:51:01 PM EDT
[#6]
I'd even be ok with the 240grain Remington stuff. Buffalo bore is as good as it gets.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:52:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Just use a 17HMR.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:53:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Use some tubes of caulk as bait.  Bears bite them.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:53:37 PM EDT
[#9]
Penetration>Expansion
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:01:10 PM EDT
[#10]
The last one I took in Canada was with a long bow and hand made wooden arrows, one shot 27 yards, ran exactly 35 yards and piled up.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:07:13 PM EDT
[#11]
If Buffalo Bore makes a cartridge there's an answer.  Not saying a Black Bear needs a Buffalo Bore grade premium cartridge, but it will certainly work.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:13:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Do not use the 240 grain load!!! I have shot a deer with it and the bullet came apart upon entry, it will not penetrate as it is a pistol bullet.

The 265 grain flat nose load with the bullet made for the cartridge is the minimum factory load to pick.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:13:59 PM EDT
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The last one I took in Canada was with a long bow and hand made wooden arrows, one shot 27 yards, ran exactly 35 yards and piled up.
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In years of guiding I found that bows dropped bears faster than a gun.

And gun you would use for deer you can use for black bears.

I have seen them taken with all the magnum pistols and just about every rifle you can imagine.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:53:15 PM EDT
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I have had very good results with the Hornady 300gn XTP.

I loaded those for myself to be fired out of a 7 1/2" Ruger Redhawk for California bears.

I'm not sure if somebody loads them for a .444 in a commercial offering.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 3:02:56 PM EDT
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I'm not sure if you can kill a bear without using a 6.5 Grendel....

Any one of the bullets on the below page will kill a black bear dead. You don't need to spend Buffalo Bore money to kill a bear with that cartridge. Find one that shoots good out of your gun.

444 Ammo
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:02:29 PM EDT
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Are the Hornady LEVERevolution good to go?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:07:03 PM EDT
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I haven't heard any bad reports about LeverRevolution cartridges.  I can't comment because despite my best efforts my 336 absolutely hates the .30-30 LeverRevolution rounds.  If my rifle liked them, I would have used them.  

I have a pound of the LeverRevolution powder, so someday I'll buy some of the .30 cal FTX bullets and see if I can dial in my own version, mostly because I want to hunt with some fancy plastic tipped bullets in my old 336
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:08:25 PM EDT
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Yes they are and offer good power with more range if that is your thing. Should be flatter shooting but out to 100 yards I'm not sure it would matter very much hunting over bait and that close.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:11:20 PM EDT
[#19]
killed a P&Y black bear last year with my bow... 13 yard shot and it died inside 90 seconds...  ran only 15 feet.

That said - they're thin skinned so i'd be comfortable with anything i used for a white tail... .308 or above?

If i was gun hunting for a bear in canada - the way i expect you guys would be - i would do so with open sights or a red dot.  definitely not a scope unless it absolutely SUCKS IN the light.  My biggest issue was not being able to see my pin at dusk when the bears are most active...
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:16:04 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm one of those guys that thinks a .444 is too much gun for a black bear...unless you want to ruin the hide and the meat. For 100yd shots over bait, a .308 shooting soft nose 168's is more than adequate.  

If you were hunting Kodiak's...that's another issue. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:18:00 PM EDT
[#21]
I would say that's a bit much for a black bear. I hunt both northern MN and Ontario for them and I have seen bears taken down with a 5.56. I don't suggest that but it makes my point. 

As long as he hits the bear within the vital area, he shouldn't have much trouble tracking as it'll more than likely be piled up within 50 yards. 

Happy hunting!
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:20:05 PM EDT
[#22]
The most accurate load he can find....
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:24:04 PM EDT
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Frankly, with .444 Marlin vs. Black Bear this is the best answer.  Any decent hunting bullet will do the job, so pick the cartridge that allows you to put that bullet where it needs to go.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 5:24:19 PM EDT
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I shot mine with a 165gr in a 7mag
Poleaxed that thing. Only went about 10 yards.
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Shot both mine with my 7mag. First one was close at about 15 yards and the other around 40 - 50 yards.
Heard the death moan on the first one, it went maybe 20 yards. Didn't hear the moan on the second and it too went about 20 yards.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:50:47 PM EDT
[#25]
He originally wanted to take his 300blk AR but Im pretty sure they dont allow ARs in canadia

his 444 marlin is iron sights only
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