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Posted: 4/26/2005 5:06:58 PM EDT
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Well I don't think "battle rifle" is a real term from a military standpoint, but it basically means a 30 caliber rifle like a M14 or FAL. An assault rifle has a less powerful cartridge like 5.56 or 7.62x39
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Generally .308 & higher calibres are battle rifles. Garands, M1A's, G3's SKS's & AK-47's.
Assault rifles are M-16's, FNC's, 5.56mm & 5.45mm. |
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Assault rifles use an "intermediate" cartridge, battle rifles use a rifle cartridge and subguns use a pistol cartridge.
rifle cart: 7.62x54mm int cart: 7.62x39mm pistol: 9x18mm Someone will be along with pics shortly. Caliber has NOTHING to do with it. Notice the pistol caliber is the largest. |
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Always thought it was funny that Cooper &Co dogged the assault rifles for there "intermediate" cartridges" when technically 7.62x51 is intermediate to 7.62x63. |
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GOOD POINT |
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"battle rifle" is not a official term or classification for anything.
Using the logic some people use, the M1873 Trapdoor in 45-70 is a "battle rifle" compared to an M1 garand. M1 garands, AR-15s, AK-47, FAL, M14 are all main infantry rifles |
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My assault rifle, the flaming liberal gun grabbers try to take away. My battle rifles kill elk, deer, antelope, etc... |
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Thanks for all the help guys, I just heard the term used a few times and wasn't sure if it was an actual military designation.
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Here is one definition
Battle Rifle - This term is often used to distinguish a full-sized rifle with a full automatic capability from a carbine or assault rifle. Though intended to be fired primarily in semiautomatic, most battle rifles have provisions for emergency full automatic fire. Normally a bipod is not fitted to this type rifle unless it is being employed as an automatic rifle or light machine gun. Arguably the first such weapon was the FG-42 which was issued to elite German paratroopers in W.W.II. More common examples include the American M-14, Belgian FN FAL, and German G-3. That was about what I thought too (M-14, HK G-3 both in .308) This is an interesting website with a little history thrown in with the definitions www.paladinarmory.com/MachineGuns.htm#Battle%20Rifle (and a BOTD) |
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As others have said, its really just a way to differentiate between assault rifles and the older full powered rifles. Though I will tell people my FN49 in 8mm is a Battle Rifle, because it is the real deal. I will not refer to my semiauto ARs and AKs as Assault rifles. They are semiauto carbines. |
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keep in mind that there are two definitions of 'assault rifle:' The political/media definition and the true definition. The political/media definition is applied to practically anything they are trying to outlaw at any given time. The true definition derives from the German word Sturmgewehr -- a select-fire weapon firing an intermediate cartridge.
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7.62 = battle.....Except for 7.62x39, or 7.62x33 (.30carbine) |
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Yep, I use an AK-74 made in China for the Navy Seals. I'm not a SEAL though, I'm one of the doorgunner's on the space shuttle |
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Isnt an Assault Rifle strictly a select fire weapon? anything else is playing into the gun grabbers hands.
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You have a select fire rifle? |
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Assault rifles are also SELECT FIRE!!! |
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Are one of the positions on the selector switch marked "burst" or "auto" on that AK variant? |
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SO, by that definition, an M1 Garand is not a battle rifle. Riiiiggghhhhtttttt!!!!! |
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And that is all there is to it? No select fire, etc? |
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You are correct. I can't believe the number of people on THIS board calling a semiauto rifle an assault rifle because it fires an intermediate cartridge. Some even call them "assault weapons". I might expect that at DU, but not here. |
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Damn LARRYG...I thought you where going to slap us all over this thread.
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ok yeah wasn't going for the gun-grabber media definition that will probably classify a Red Ryder BB gun as an assault weapon at some point in the future....so would it be fair to say that an Assault Rifle can be defined as a select fire rifle with an intermediate cartridge, while a Battle Rifle would just be any auto loading rifle with a more powerful cartridge? (or would you consider a bolt action Springfield to be a battle rifle?
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It means nothing except to the people who think there is a difference because they have a chip on their shoulder.
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IMO....The whole "Battle Rifle" thing is a old gun snob term from the Cooper, Taylor crew. They didn't like 5.56mm and started the BattleRifle vs Assault Rifle thing just to show their distain for 5.56mm.
I think Chairnan Jeff started the "poodleshooter" name about the same time. |
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Actually, assault rifle does have a military and technical definition. Perhaps "battle rifle" is not a defined term, but it does mean something, i.e., the full power rifles firing .308, 30-06, 7.62x54, etc. An M14, even though select fire, is NOT an assault rifle. |
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Yeah, back in the day, it fits what some define as a "battle rifle". |
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I just think WE on this board, and gun owners in general, have to be very careful with what we call an assault rifle. The media and the vultures (anti-gun fantatics) mislabel all types of rifles constantly, we should know better. |
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Actually, I reread it with that very thought in mind,(before your post) and noticed the "most" which I believe is referring to the Garand, happy? ETA: So sorry about my "unworthy" website contribution(I should have edited it, heh) |
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You knave, you. Actually, I missed the "most" and it was there. My bad. |
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No prob |
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And I agree with you |
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"Battle rifle" means as much as "Assault weapon". And to those who coined the phrase, it means "My rifle is better than yours, because yours isn't a BATTLE RIFLE!!" And the answer to that is "Who the hell cares." |
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Perhaps you take it that way, and you do seem to be taking this whole thread personally, but to most, it is just a quick way to differentiate the assault rifles from the larger caliber semi and full auto rifles. I have .30-06, .308, and 5.56 rifles and don't think any are better than any of the others. Each has it's own niche. If I am out on the prairie, I want a Garand or an AR10, or even an AR50, but if I am in the heavy woods or in an urban setting, give me the the M16 or it's cousins. |
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Yeah, he does seem just a little bit wound up........ Hey, Get Both !! |
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Get both? I already have and then some. |
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