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Posted: 9/17/2009 5:50:47 AM EST
Under Baucus' plan, if you don't have health insurance you have to pay an excise tax on your federal tax return. If you don't pay that, they can put you in jail, same as any other tax evader.

Oh, and by the way, your health insurance provider will be required to report your coverage information to the IRS.


http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/091609%20Americas_Healthy_Future_Act.pdf

Title I, Subtitle D, Page 27.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:54:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:54:43 AM EST by Loki41872]
At least in jail I'd have three hots and a cot, a library to work on my masters, a gym to get buff... and free health care!

Come get me bitches!

ETA: And free cable, too!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:26:08 AM EST
What did you expect under Socialism?

Stalin would be laughing at that as a 'great step forward for the people'.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:29:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 6:37:59 AM EST by zizzer600]
I must be reading challenged....Where is it again? I didn't see it in there......


Nevermind found it......
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:30:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 6:30:56 AM EST by Circle_Cutter]
sounds nice
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:32:13 AM EST
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:33:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Loki41872:
At least in jail I'd have three hots and a cot, a library to work on my masters, a gym to get buff... and free health care!

Come get me bitches!

ETA: And free cable, too!


good point...don't have insurance and don't pay the pelanty? don't worry, we'll lock you up and give it to you for free!! ....sounds logical enough.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:34:38 AM EST
This is something I love bringing up to some of my more liberal co-workers (especially the ones who don't know my politics). When they mention supporting a new law, I ask them, "Do you support the use of force to enforce that law?" and the answer is almost universally no.

I then explain to them that basically all laws exist as a sort of "do this or else" statement with the force of arms backing it up. I ask them, in light of that, if their neighbor chose not to comply with the new law, and chose to resist the states attempts to force his compliance, are they OK with him being shot over it?

It tends to get people thinking about whats really important and whether or not some ideas need laws backing them up.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:35:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:36:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums.

right...and you will also be able to make other arguments:
there should now be a national seatbelt law so that people don't drain the system
there should be a national helmet law...actually...let's just get rid of motorcycles and sports cars since they are involved in a higher rate of accidents than other types of vehicles
we should probably ban swimming pools while we are at it too just for good measure
and of course we can't forget about how many injuries are caused by firearms in a year so they will have to go too
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:38:09 AM EST
What if you can't pay because you're already in jail? Have a jail within a jail?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:39:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By raysheen:

Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums.

right...and you will also be able to make other arguments:
there should now be a national seatbelt law so that people don't drain the system
there should be a national helmet law...actually...let's just get rid of motorcycles and sports cars since they are involved in a higher rate of accidents than other types of vehicles
we should probably ban swimming pools while we are at it too just for good measure
and of course we can't forget about how many injuries are caused by firearms in a year so they will have to go too


Don't forget about smoking, booze, fast food, steak, etc....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:41:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
What if you can't pay because you're already in jail? Have a jail within a jail?


Then they put you in the SHU.


You don't even want to know what happens if you don't have health insurance in there.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:43:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?


You guys are nuts.

If I don't want to drive a car, I can walk –– and thereby avoid the auto insurance mandate. Under your analogy, people who just ride the bus or just ride their bikes would be forced to buy auto insurance too, since bus riders and cyclists are sometimes injured in car accidents.

If a guy in his 20s does not want to pay $15,000 a year on the less than 1% chance that he'll have a catastrophic accident or injury and with the realization that he's funding dialysis for drug addicts and illegal immigrant prenatal care, that should be his prerogative.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:44:52 AM EST
This would be the best thing to happen to the GOP since Mondale.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:46:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?


You guys are nuts.

If I don't want to drive a car, I can walk –– and thereby avoid the auto insurance mandate. Under your analogy, people who just ride the bus or just ride their bikes would be forced to buy auto insurance too, since bus riders and cyclists are sometimes injured in car accidents.

If a guy in his 20s does not want to pay $15,000 a year on the less than 1% chance that he'll have a catastrophic accident or injury and with the realization that he's funding dialysis for drug addicts and illegal immigrant prenatal care, that should be his prerogative.



I understand what you're saying.

If this passes, I guess you have one last option: Move to a free(er) country.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:47:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?


because they are completely different things
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:48:09 AM EST
To tell you the truth I'm just as worried that this program makes it illegal to discriminate against abortion clinics and physicians providing abortions.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:48:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


So just ger rid of that mandate, problem solved.


Driving a car is not a right. In FL I do not need motorcycle insurance.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:50:17 AM EST
That Plan has been shot down already... NEXT


Not worth discussing.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:59:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By levigarrett93:
That Plan has been shot down already... NEXT


Not worth discussing.



This idea will not go away, and is sure to be a part of ANY plan that is proposed.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:00:44 AM EST
Basically they can kiss my ass
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:01:44 AM EST
Yuh. I jus got outta da fuckin' joint for havin' no fuckin' health care insurance.

Dey put me inna fuckin' cell wit a guy that tore a fuckin' tag offa fuckin' matteress, anna nudder guy inna udder fuckin' cell was doin' 2 ta 5 for overdue oil change.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:06:30 AM EST
The mandatory insurance idea looks good at first, but since there is such a problem with it, then maybe those who opt out now cannot be seen at a hospital without insurance.

In other words, remove the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone, and replace it with a law that requires them to treat those with insurance instead.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:12:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
The mandatory insurance idea looks good at first, but since there is such a problem with it, then maybe those who opt out now cannot be seen at a hospital without insurance.

In other words, remove the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone, and replace it with a law that requires them to treat those with insurance instead.



How about if i have cash? Is that no longer any good in your Utopia?

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:12:51 AM EST
What would happen if they start imprisoning the working class ?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:14:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By lostinboston:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


So just ger rid of that mandate, problem solved.


Driving a car is not a right. In FL I do not need motorcycle insurance.


I completely agree with getting rid of the mandate, but, then, I'm just one of those heartless conservatives that thinks everyone should pull their own weight or starve, suffer, die.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:16:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?


BS - if you can afford health insurance (i.e. ability to pay) and choose not to have it, you are on the hook for any hospital charges.

The mandate of auto insurance is completely different. You are required to have auto insurance as part of being licensed to drive on the road so that when you run a red light and broadside someone, the other guy is covered. You are not required to have auto insurance for any damage to your vehicle. This health care insurance scheme is akin to making you cover your car for full replacement value, get an extended warranty for the life of the car and a package to cover all routine maintenance....except health care is just a bit more important.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:17:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
The mandatory insurance idea looks good at first, but since there is such a problem with it, then maybe those who opt out now cannot be seen at a hospital without insurance.

In other words, remove the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone, and replace it with a law that requires them to treat those with insurance instead.


Freeloader the system would go broke in a month ! most would opt out with the exception of the welfare recepients who do not contribute . I hear estimates of $800-1300 a month per family for Government run health care . I would opt out !
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:21:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?

Observe, this is incrementalism in action. First the government manages to convince people that it's somehow OK to mandate auto insurance, then they use that as an argument in favor of doing so for health insurance.

The camel is almost entirely in the tent.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:23:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:29:50 AM EST
And all this is about is statistics.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:30:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By jeffers_mz:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.



Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:33:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.



+1

How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire?


But are you really REQUIRED to purchase an auto insurance policy?

Let's give this topic its own thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=928849&page=1

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:35:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 7:38:17 AM EST by EternalVigilance]
Originally Posted By HullBreach:
This is something I love bringing up to some of my more liberal co-workers (especially the ones who don't know my politics). When they mention supporting a new law, I ask them, "Do you support the use of force to enforce that law?" and the answer is almost universally no.

I then explain to them that basically all laws exist as a sort of "do this or else" statement with the force of arms backing it up. I ask them, in light of that, if their neighbor chose not to comply with the new law, and chose to resist the states attempts to force his compliance, are they OK with him being shot over it?

It tends to get people thinking about whats really important and whether or not some ideas need laws backing them up.



The lack of that simple comprehension is key to understanding most people's fucked up beliefs about the role of government. I have struggled trying to understand why so many people cannot grasp this reality. For a lot of people, you can explain it to them until you are blue in the face, and they still don't get it. It is frustrating.


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:38:08 AM EST
NEVER GOING TO PASS
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:38:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By putiton11:
NEVER GOING TO PASS


People thought the same thing about the 1994 AWB.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:39:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By jeffers_mz:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.



If I hit you with my car and I don't have insurance, do you trust me to cough up +100k in medical bills? They put uninsured motorists in jail for good reason.

Mandatory insurance is a good idea when there is potential liability in the millions of dollars that you can incur. If you don't like the industry, have the government make a competing system. It's also usually possible to avoid insurance if you put up a huge bond in most states (so if you can let the state hold on to +50k, you are fine without insurance).
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:40:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
Originally Posted By jeffers_mz:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.



Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change.



Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:41:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 7:41:50 AM EST by lincolndz]
Requiring people to report on their tax returns that they didn't have insurance for certain months is unconstitutional.

Here's why; under this proposal having health insurance will be mandatory beginning in 2013. Not having insurance will be unlawful. If you break the law you cannot be compelled by the government to incriminate yourself. This violates the 5th Amendment.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:42:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Riotgun:
Under Baucus' plan, if you don't have health insurance you have to pay an excise tax on your federal tax return. If you don't pay that, they can put you in jail, same as any other tax evader.

Oh, and by the way, your health insurance provider will be required to report your coverage information to the IRS.


http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/091609%20Americas_Healthy_Future_Act.pdf

Title I, Subtitle D, Page 27.



If you file and owe them money and don't pay it there is no criminal act.
If you work on the books as opposed to a 1099 then they can put a lien on your wages.
If you own property they can put a lien on it.
jail?
No

Only if you fail to report income (intentionally)
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:42:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .


And what exactly do you think draconian salary caps are, exactly?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:43:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By HullBreach:
This is something I love bringing up to some of my more liberal co-workers (especially the ones who don't know my politics). When they mention supporting a new law, I ask them, "Do you support the use of force to enforce that law?" and the answer is almost universally no.

I then explain to them that basically all laws exist as a sort of "do this or else" statement with the force of arms backing it up. I ask them, in light of that, if their neighbor chose not to comply with the new law, and chose to resist the states attempts to force his compliance, are they OK with him being shot over it?

It tends to get people thinking about whats really important and whether or not some ideas need laws backing them up.


That is nanny state BS!

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:44:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 7:51:47 AM EST by EternalVigilance]
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
Originally Posted By jeffers_mz:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.



Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change.



Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .






All aboard the fucking FAIL train. 30,000 a year for doctors. My fucking trash man makes more then that.


Thank God that the neurosurgeon who repaired a fucking anuerysm in my head before it popped makes probably 20 times that. Otherwise a man of his genius would never have gone into the field, would never have worked 20 fucking hours a day for 20 years to learn his trade, and would never have racked up $250,000 in student loans to get there.


Goddamnit people. If you don't want to pay the doctor the amount they are willing to exchange their services for, don't fucking do business with them. What you just proposed IS SOCIALISM. Might want to look up the terminology before you start using it.

Doctors don't spend their lives working and going to school, away from their families, so that they could be there to take care of your dumb ass when you get sick. They work for the same reasons the rest of us do, to take care of their families and to provide for their own self-interests. Its not a fucking charity people!

who the hell wants to do all the work and make all the sacrifice to become a doctor if you can make the same living picking up trash.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:45:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By DLaw:
Basically they can kiss my rotten, stinky ass


This!!!

a-bare

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:52:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By bear_grillz:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .


And what exactly do you think draconian salary caps are, exactly?



I was responding to a healthcare worker who thinks it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients I was just putting the shoe on the other foot .Just saying !
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:54:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By bear_grillz:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .


And what exactly do you think draconian salary caps are, exactly?



I was responding to a healthcare worker who thinks it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients I was just putting the shoe on the other foot .Just saying !


Businesses like to recoup their costs, and it's a good thing it's legal!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:55:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
I was responding to a healthcare worker who thinks it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients I was just putting the shoe on the other foot .Just saying !


The price of everything, not just health care, is adjusted to factor in deadbeats. In other industries it has different names - theft, chargeoffs, reposession, foreclosure, etc.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:57:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 8:02:49 AM EST by hotbiggun42]
Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
Originally Posted By jeffers_mz:
Originally Posted By Ultrastealth:
That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals.


You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills?

Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket.

I insist.



Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change.



Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .






All aboard the fucking FAIL train. 30,000 a year for doctors. My fucking trash man makes more then that.


Thank God that the neurosurgeon who repaired a fucking anuerysm in my head before it popped makes probably 20 times that. Otherwise a man of his genius would never have gone into the field, would never have worked 20 fucking hours a day for 20 years to learn his trade, and would never have racked up $250,000 in student loans to get there.


Goddamnit people. If you don't want to pay the doctor the amount they are willing to exchange their services for, don't fucking do business with them. What you just proposed IS SOCIALISM. Might want to look up the terminology before you start using it.

Doctors don't spend their lives working and going to school, away from their families, so that they could be there to take care of your dumb ass when you get sick. They work for the same reasons the rest of us do, to take care of their families and to provide for their own self-interests. Its not a fucking charity people!

who the hell wants to do all the work and make all the sacrifice to become a doctor if you can make the same living picking up trash.


Do you really belive with obamas socailist medical plan your DR would continue to make the salary he deserves . Again I was responding to a healthcare provider who thinkds it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients .I was just putting it back on him , I'm glad you are ok .BTW under the obama plan you may or may not have qualified for that surgery you mentioned .
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 8:00:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By bear_grillz:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By bear_grillz:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .


And what exactly do you think draconian salary caps are, exactly?



I was responding to a healthcare worker who thinks it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients I was just putting the shoe on the other foot .Just saying !


Businesses like to recoup their costs, and it's a good thing it's legal!


And i like to keep the money i work for Its a good thing ! If you cannot afford to pay the DR don't go .Why do you people think it is ok for others to pay your way in life .It seems we have a whole generation of people who believe in entitlements . We are fucked .
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 8:01:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbles:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
I was responding to a healthcare worker who thinks it is ok to steal my money to pay for his deadbeat patients I was just putting the shoe on the other foot .Just saying !


The price of everything, not just health care, is adjusted to factor in deadbeats. In other industries it has different names - theft, chargeoffs, reposession, foreclosure, etc.


And in case you havent noticed our Country is all fucked up !
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