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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:02:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 10:06:04 AM EST by thompsondd]
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Pararescuemen from the 38th Rescue Squadron, deployed from Moody Air Force Base, Ga., and the 58th Rescue Squadron, from Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., jump from a C-130 for a high-altitude low-opening, or HALO, free-fall drop from 12,999 feet at an undisclosed location in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. Pararescue's mission is the recovery of downed aircrew members and or isolated personnel. Using a C-130 to jump in provides pararecue the fastest way to get to the distressed and provide them with medical attention, protection, and survival.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:03:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 10:03:29 AM EST by Guntoting_Spartan]
nice
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:04:58 AM EST
I don't think 12,999' qualifies as a HALO jump.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:06:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I don't think 12,999' qualifies as a HALO jump.



Pretty standard Jump altitude for Civies.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:07:12 AM EST
Depends on how low they open. Perhaps this is more like a 'MALO' jump.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:08:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I don't think 12,999' qualifies as a HALO jump.



Pretty standard Jump altitude for Civies.



Was in a Cessna higher than that this weekend.


But that IS a cool picture.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:10:45 AM EST
Cool Pics
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:11:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 10:12:31 AM EST by Sierra_Hombre]
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:13:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I don't think 12,999' qualifies as a HALO jump.



Pretty standard Jump altitude for Civies.



Was in a Cessna higher than that this weekend.


But that IS a cool picture.



Yeah but did you have a combat load on?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:15:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I don't think 12,999' qualifies as a HALO jump.



Pretty standard Jump altitude for Civies.



Was in a Cessna higher than that this weekend.


But that IS a cool picture.



Yeah but did you have a combat load on?



Even worse...a helmet that said 'student' on it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:16:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:18:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 10:19:46 AM EST by Sierra_Hombre]

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's your point?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:18:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



You ever jump out of a plane?

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:18:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's you point?



You're a jackass.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:19:23 AM EST
cool pics
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:20:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



You ever jump out of a plane?




yeah, fun times.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:20:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's you point?



You're a jackass.



what's your point? that you shit out of your mouth?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:20:59 AM EST
Very cool.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:21:00 AM EST
From "cool pics" to "jackass" in 14 posts.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:22:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's your point?



If you have to ask, I don't think explaining it to you would help any. I forgot, you're the Internet Recon gumba Johnny come lately ass kicker keyboard commando aren't you?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:22:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
From "cool pics" to "jackass" in 14 posts.



I think we have a record.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:22:42 AM EST

hALO?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:23:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



You ever jump out of a plane?




yeah, fun times.



where and when? I think there's a minimum age requirement.....
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:23:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's your point?



If you have to ask, I don't think explaining it to you would help any. I forgot, you're the Internet Recon gumba Johnny come lately ass kicker keyboard commando aren't you?



if i have to ask, huh? as far as the rest of your post goes i think you have me mistaken for somebody else. good day, sir.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:25:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 10:27:41 AM EST by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
HALO? lol. you don't even need oxygen at that altitude.

ps - those pics weren't that bad-assed



When was the last time you went through some sort of Spec Ops and HALO training?



never did any halo jumps. what's your point?



If you have to ask, I don't think explaining it to you would help any. I forgot, you're the Internet Recon gumba Johnny come lately ass kicker keyboard commando aren't you?



if i have to ask, huh? as far as the rest of your post goes i think you have me mistaken for somebody else. good day, sir.



Nope. Based on the rest of your replies in this thread, you are exactly who what I thought you were; an ASS.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:28:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:28:39 AM EST
HALO - not HALO - who cares -

Those feuckers kick arsh!

Saw a really great special on Discovery (I think) last night about these bad boys going through jump school!

hats off to all of them!! posers need not apply!

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:31:10 AM EST
A few points,

I thought 10,000 was the altitude you started needing to carry a breathable air source.
Those guys are above that, without it.

Next HALO, High-Alt-Low-Open, I thought most military type jumps were around 2,000 or less. If that is true 12,999 is high, relatively speaking.

Next, "I jumped higher.............." Ever jumped knowing there are people on the ground that want to shoot at you? High isn't the danger, it's jumping into COMBAT.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:31:45 AM EST
IBTHALO
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:36:36 AM EST
I thought I read accounts of military HALO jumps from 35,000ft plus? Is that possible?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:37:06 AM EST
Practice jumps are @ 1200 ft and combat jumps @ 800 ft IIRC.

Alos I think that you're okay to 15k feet sans O2 mask/bottle.



Sierra Hombre/Sam Fisher/MILSURP/ETC


You are a WOB. Kindly go fonicate with yourself in traffic.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:38:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:
A few points,

I thought 10,000 was the altitude you started needing to carry a breathable air source.
Those guys are above that, without it.

Next HALO, High-Alt-Low-Open, I thought most military type jumps were around 2,000 or less. If that is true 12,999 is high, relatively speaking.

Next, "I jumped higher.............." Ever jumped knowing there are people on the ground that want to shoot at you? High isn't the danger, it's jumping into COMBAT.



No, oxygen starts to become necessary for most people at the 15-16k mark.

And I don't believe those guys are jumping into combat, not that it matters; that wasn't the point; the point was merely that 13k didn't qualify as true HALO.


One of these days I'm going to post a thread about swatting a fly just to see how little it takes to start a pissing match.......
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:38:20 AM EST
what he said!

+1

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:39:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:
Practice jumps are @ 1200 ft and combat jumps @ 800 ft IIRC.

Alos I think that you're okay to 15k feet sans O2 mask/bottle.



Sierra Hombre/Sam Fisher/MILSURP/ETC


You are a WOB. Kindly go fonicate with yourself in traffic.



800 feet? That's begging to die.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:40:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
I thought I read accounts of military HALO jumps from 35,000ft plus? Is that possible?



On Aug. 16, 1960, Kittinger set the world's record (which remains unbroken) for the longest (19.5 miles) and fastest (4 minutes and 36 seconds) skydive. He reported his experience in National Geographic. His epic dive started from a helium balloon that he floated to an altitude of 102,800 feet (31,330 m). This high, the sky is black and the Sun intense."
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:42:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:
Practice jumps are @ 1200 ft and combat jumps @ 800 ft IIRC.

Alos I think that you're okay to 15k feet sans O2 mask/bottle.



Sierra Hombre/Sam Fisher/MILSURP/ETC


You are a WOB. Kindly go fonicate with yourself in traffic.



800 feet? That's begging to die.



Again, there are people on the ground wanting to kill you. Every second you are in the air.............you are totally exposed.

It's all fun and games until someone opens up with AAA gunfire.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:47:41 AM EST
In thos pics, those guys are above the clouds.....probably not an 800 foot jump, unless they're in the mountains, which is a possibility, I guess.

At any rate, who has an idea for a good fly-swatting thread?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:48:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:
Practice jumps are @ 1200 ft and combat jumps @ 800 ft IIRC.

Alos I think that you're okay to 15k feet sans O2 mask/bottle.



Sierra Hombre/Sam Fisher/MILSURP/ETC


You are a WOB. Kindly go fonicate with yourself in traffic.



800 feet? That's begging to die.



Again, there are people on the ground wanting to kill you. Every second you are in the air.............you are totally exposed.

It's all fun and games until someone opens up with AAA gunfire.



What he said. It's a static line jump, a reserve would do you no good in combat.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:48:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
In thos pics, those guys are above the clouds.....probably not an 800 foot jump, unless they're in the mountains, which is a possibility, I guess.

At any rate, who has an idea for a good fly-swatting thread?



Do you use a wooden handled fly swatter or wire handle? I feel a poll coming on!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:52:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:
Practice jumps are @ 1200 ft and combat jumps @ 800 ft IIRC.

Alos I think that you're okay to 15k feet sans O2 mask/bottle.




That would be correct for static line jumps. This is freefall.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:56:04 AM EST
"HALO" for High Altitude Low Opening, the military term for skydiving, is freefalling in "tactical grouping" (sport skydivers call this no-contact RW). There is also "HAHO" for High Altitude High Opening where the jumpers open at a high altitude like 25,000 feet, and glide long distances to the landing area (sport skydivers call this cross country).

Unlike the civilian skydiver who jumps for fun and ends the day by partying, drinking beer, and swapping jump stories, the military freefall jumper uses the equipment simply as a means to reach their final objective, such as recon, "achieving the objective," extraction and mission de-briefing. Military jumpers also carry tons of equipment (150 lbs). Why so much? Two reasons: One, HALO/HAHO personnel are typically dumped in very remote areas and have to carry all their food, guns, survival gear, water, and all kinds of secret stuff. Two, keeping with tradition that mil jumps be rough so their men have to be tough.

I have never been to the Armys HALO school, but have been to Airborne school my highest jump was from a UH-60 at aprrox 1500 feet, airborne school are approx 1250 feet. All of my other jumps were between 800 to 850 feet to include my Combat Jump.

So I would consider that a HALO jump, when our guys did there night HALO jumps it was always around 12k to 15k mark.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:57:02 AM EST
I did a search of "high altitude low opening" and looked at several sites.

They say HALO jumps are 10,000 to 25,000 feet. The key is they have to be above the "threat envelope".

Paratroop jumps are below 1,000 feet AGL.

HAHO are 25,000 feet appx.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 10:59:02 AM EST
Oh well.

I think I'll go post-whore in the new guy's thread now.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:05:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Oh well.

I think I'll go post-whore in the new guy's thread now.



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