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Posted: 5/14/2003 10:17:44 AM EDT
[#1]
I seriously doubt it.
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Posted: 5/14/2003 10:33:03 AM EDT
[#2]
I hope you're wrong, but nothing would surprize me where democrats and republicans are concerned.
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Posted: 5/14/2003 11:12:23 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted: Whom are bigger contributors to the NRA? Manufactures and the hunting crowd, or AW owners? Scary. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 11:32:27 AM EDT
[#4]
This is my biggest concern...
In negotiation, you always start out requesting more than you know you can get. The Democraps have come out and asked for practically everything. They know they cannot get that. So instead, they will settle for a renewal of what is currently on the books. The NRA and the Republicans have demonstrated their lack of backbone in the past. What assurance do we have that their will not be a last minute 'compromise'? |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 11:54:37 AM EDT
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A last minute compromise is entirely possible. They will look at it as a no harm no foul and everyone walks away with something. This of course is not desireable to either us or the other side of the argument. In effect it leaves everyone a little unhappy but not devastated. We are no worse off than before and the industry is relieved of debilitating lawsuits for a net gain on our side of the scales. I would prefer total victory, but I will not beat myself up over the compromise either, the world did not end, I still have my toys, and we are spared the worste case.
In the mean time I will continue to write my legislators regularly and let them know what I think. I will not base my arguments on the constitution as those arguments have been beaten to death. Instead I simply remind them that I am a one issue voter and I will not vote for any politician that does not vote with me on this issue. I remind them of the Perot gun owners after the 89 ban, the Gun owning democrats removing house members after the 94 ban, and the fact that Al Gore lost his home state due primarily to gun owners. Its simple really, ya just gotta show them what they stand to lose. Other than that all the moralizing and prosthelatizing on the Constitution seems a waste of words and effort. Keep the message simple direct and to the point. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 12:29:23 PM EDT
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I think the Republicans would let the gunmakers protection bill die before they would compromise on a new AWB. Besides, I think they can muster enough votes to override a fillibuster.
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Posted: 5/14/2003 1:31:12 PM EDT
[#7]
it's going to be an interesting 1.5 years
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Posted: 5/14/2003 1:56:35 PM EDT
[#8]
I say we start writing them and say "NO DEAL!"
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:01:34 PM EDT
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more linkage
[url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030513/hl_nm/congress_guncontrol_dc_1[/url] By Todd Zwillich WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - Senators opposed to a congressional measure granting gun manufacturers and dealers immunity from some civil liability lawsuits said Tuesday that they would try to use the coming debate on the bill to strengthen gun control laws in other areas. The bill, strongly favored by the National Rifle Association and other pro-gun rights groups, is expected to arrive on the Senate floor for a vote within the next few weeks. It seeks to prevent victims of violent gun crimes from suing gun manufacturers or dealers whom they accuse of negligently selling or distributing firearms to the perpetrators. The bill has the support of at least 55 senators, making it likely that it will pass when it comes up for a vote. Democrats said Tuesday that they will try to use the bill's wide support to enact gun-safety measures and restrictions favored by gun-control groups. Several Democrats said that they would offer an amendment closing a loophole in federal law that allows buyers at gun shows to bypass federally-mandated background checks before making a purchase. Bill opponents are also likely to push amendments requiring trigger locks on all handguns and a measure allowing for stricter federal inspections of gun manufacturers and dealers, they said. Gun-control advocates frequently make an example of Maryland resident Denise Johnson, the wife of a man killed in the Washington-area sniper attacks last fall. Johnson has filed a lawsuit naming the company that manufactured the rifle allegedly used in the attacks as well as the shop in Tacoma, Washington, where accused sniper Lee Malvo illegally obtained the gun. The Senate measure, which has already passed the House, would throw the case and similar ones out of court. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said that he would offer legislation that would bar immunity for gun shops that consistently violate laws governing gun sales. Despite the bill's wide support, including the endorsement of at least nine Democrats, opponents repeated Tuesday a threat to mount a filibuster against the bill. Such an effort would require the support of 41 senators to indefinitely prolong debate and kill the bill. "We are preparing for the possibility of a filibuster," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I. Senate Republican leaders said that they were nearing the 60 votes necessary to prevent a filibuster, nearly guaranteeing the bill's passage. Fifty-three senators have already pledged support for the bill, while two previously undecided senators indicated in interviews that they would vote for it. "We're very close" to a filibuster-proof 60 votes, said Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the bill's main sponsor. Looks like the dems big gun control plot is starting to emerge... |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:12:14 PM EDT
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If the assault weapon bill gets passed again chance are it will be WAY more restrictive. If that happened it would put the companys that make AR-15s etc. out of business. You cant be sued when you dont exist.
All im trying to say is that there is no point in being protected when you cant manufacter your products anymore. About the NRA though; Im really getting sick of them they rarely stand up for gun rights. They are much more interested in the protection of duck hunters than in the preservation of the second amendment. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:16:00 PM EDT
[#11]
if the house bill were made law i'd say it's time to start feeding the hogs
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:17:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Why should we negotiate? This bill to protect gun manufacturers is POINTLESS. Even liberal judges are throwing these suits out left and right.
The Dems have no leverage if this is what they're trying to do, and the AW Ban is one of the NRA's top priorities. They have said as much. Shit, let them filabuster until the end of the current Congress for all I care. Then they'll never even get a chance to bring the AW ban to the floor. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:21:48 PM EDT
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NO COMPROMISE!!!
When I called my Senators, Rep, and the White House I politely told them I could not vote for ANYONE who takes part in enacting an AW renewal, and politely reminded them of '94. I didn't say a word about the lawsuit bill. Guess I should have stated that while I support the latter, the AW renewal leaves NO room for negotiation. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:29:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why should we negotiate? This bill to protect gun manufacturers is POINTLESS. Even liberal judges are throwing these suits out left and right. But there is a point... even though the suits are being dismissed, it costs the manufacturers serious $$$$ defending themselves through years of litigation. The antis and litigants OTOH, have lawyers working for them Pro Bono or on a contingency basis. The legislation being filed wouldn't even be nessicary if we had a "loser pays" system. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:32:44 PM EDT
[#15]
Hmmm... I wonder if an amendment that renews the ban could be successfully added to this bill.
--Mike |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:33:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said that he would offer legislation that would bar immunity for gun shops that consistently violate laws governing gun sales. I hate to say it but I could live with that. There are some fuckhead dealers out there that could use a bitch slap. Of course, before Chuckie gets his little bill us gun owners have to get something in return. [:D] |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:37:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why should we negotiate? This bill to protect gun manufacturers is POINTLESS. Even liberal judges are throwing these suits out left and right. Tobacco lawsuits were also thrown out when they first started up. Now, the tobacco companies are paying billions. Suits against gun companies are being thrown out now, but what about 10 years from now? There's no such thing as too much protection. Shit, let them filabuster until the end of the current Congress for all I care. Then they'll never even get a chance to bring the AW ban to the floor. Now that's a nice scenario. Seems like the Dems are filibustering every damm thing these days. They just cannot accept the fact that they aren't in power anymore. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:42:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hmmm... I wonder if an amendment that renews the ban could be successfully added to this bill. Wouldn't matter if the Senate did it...the House would never approve it when it kicked back to them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:44:12 PM EDT
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1) Schumer
He should read the bill again... That (revocation of immunity in cases where the law has been broken) is allready in there 2) Fillibusters Ever notice how the Dems are threatening to fillibuster everything??? Maybe that rule change makes sense (i.e. eliminate the chance for a filibuster perminantly)... |
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Posted: 5/14/2003 2:53:52 PM EDT
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There is a critical difference between tobacco and gun suits - Tobacco causes harm when used in its lawful and intended manner, and such harm is not obvious from the nature of the product (or at least it wasn't until warning labels came into the picture). Such is not true of guns, and EVERYBODY knows this. Every lawsuit against a gun maker should be 12b6'ed out of the courtroom - there is no claim, period. We don't need new law to deal with this.
Costs of current suits should be addressed by fee shifting. Make the liberal gungrabbing pukes pay for their arrogance by making them pay for the gun makers' attorneys' fees. |
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Posted: 5/15/2003 12:35:58 AM EDT
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I am encouraged with the republicans and democrats coming together as AMERICANS and showing the world what peace and harmony in a great democracy can accomplish.
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Posted: 5/15/2003 12:48:42 AM EDT
[#22]
There these scumbags go again making BS backroom deals.
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Posted: 5/15/2003 12:48:59 AM EDT
[#23]
Do you guys remember when the "94" ban was going for a vote and we were told Bob Dole was considering filibustering the bill so it doesn't get passed? Then there was an 11th hour push to fax and write Dole's office to where we bogged down his fax machine so bad, nothing came through...
He never did what he said he was going to do. See, we also threaten and fluff our feathers. They're doing the same thing right now. The AWB is such a political hot potato, nobody wants to touch it except a few who are not up for re-election anytime soon... |
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Posted: 5/15/2003 1:35:33 AM EDT
[#24]
They are politicians. Anything and everything is on the table. Can remember all the Repubs declaring The AWB of '94 as a 'reasonable' compromise. We gotta stay on them.
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Posted: 5/15/2003 3:40:34 AM EDT
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We don't have to negotiate. The ban EXPIRES!
Let the new proposed bill fail on its own. |
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Posted: 5/16/2003 12:54:19 AM EDT
[#26]
That's the idea. Some people have to be reminded that some things are not up for negotiation, especially [b]Politicians[/b]. Silence means aquiescence to them and they ALWAYS have to be reminded. Boyle's Law at work.
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