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Posted: 6/17/2009 5:36:20 AM EST
I can't make a decision on these backups, which will be primary until I get the scratch for a good optic.

Please Help, I need to get the order in and the sight within a week!!



Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:37:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
I can't make a decision on these backups, which will be primary until I get the scratch for a good optic.

Please Help, I need to get the order in and the sight within a week!!





Just grab a Matech off the EE for $55-60. Works great on my son's AR.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:37:50 AM EST
larue and be done with it
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:38:52 AM EST
Matech

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Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:40:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By nosliw:
larue and be done with it


isn't the larue just a rebadged troy set?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:40:41 AM EST
MagPul MBUS
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:40:50 AM EST
LMT has a big knob that gets in the way of charging handle latch manipulation.

Troy screws walk out under recoil.

Get the LaRue
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:41:27 AM EST
Troy or Magpul for folders
Larue or maybe a DD for fixed
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:47:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 5:49:24 AM EST by celticmarksman]

Originally Posted By mattellis2:
Originally Posted By nosliw:
larue and be done with it


isn't the larue just a rebadged troy set?

My bad

LaRue Fixed, not the folder

Sorry for being unclear.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:49:56 AM EST
If you are going to use it as a primary sight, go with the Troy, you won't regret it.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:52:32 AM EST
KAC 300m BUIS

OR, checkout the new MICRO 300m & MICRO 600m BUIS at Knights Armament. Very cool and the smalled, lowest profile EVAR!
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:54:11 AM EST
Troy. Don't look back. They fit under most mounts
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:59:00 AM EST
Troy, KAC or the ARMS Fortay L...stay away from the tupperware
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:59:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By N2CH_556:
KAC 300m BUIS

OR, checkout the new MICRO 300m & MICRO 600m BUIS at Knights Armament. Very cool and the smalled, lowest profile EVAR!


I could be wrong but those look like if you snagged them they would maybe get knocked out of alignment?

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 5:59:55 AM EST
Troy front sight, ARMS #40 rear.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:04:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Troy, KAC or the ARMS Fortay L...stay away from the tupperware


+1 - MBUS is a piece of crap.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:06:43 AM EST
I've got a GG&G A2 XS (same plane apertures) that seems to get the job done. No complaints.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:08:17 AM EST
My Stag upper came with a 40L. I like it.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:10:26 AM EST
I have to say that I just got my magpul MBUS in the other day, and I am very impressed to say the least!

very robust sights, and for the price for the set, i dont think you can find a better built flip up. mine was $105 out the door from Cope's distr.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:17:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By rob99rt:
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
I can't make a decision on these backups, which will be primary until I get the scratch for a good optic.

Please Help, I need to get the order in and the sight within a week!!





Just grab a Matech off the EE for $55-60. Works great on my son's AR.


+1

Matechs are very under rated and often overlooked.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:17:21 AM EST
I have an arms 40L its real small fits under the scope no problem, the magpul one looks nice also.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:20:25 AM EST
YHM is not expensive and works quite well for me.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:23:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 6:29:09 AM EST by sleepdr]
Originally Posted By StevenH:
LMT has a big knob that gets in the way of charging handle latch manipulation.

Troy screws walk out under recoil.

Get the LaRue


I respectfully disagree. My LMT BUIS works well - the knob is about the same size as on a carry handle. Even without an extended latch, it hasn't been a problem for me. I worked malfunction clearances extensively yesterday with the LMT-sighted AR (thanks to a nonfunctioning .22 kit), and it wasn't an issue. That massive knob on Aimpoint's QRP mount, OTOH, was a much larger nuisance.

I have Troys on 2 other ARs, and put a dab of blue thread locker on the screw of each before installation. There has been zero movement despite being banged into objects & subjected to recoil. How would a Troy screw be any more likely than any other screw to walk under recoil? Do they use some magic thread-unlocker compound at the factory?

For a primary with no optics in the near future, I'd favor a fixed BUIS - either the LaRue or the LMT. The Troy locks into place very positively, though, and would also work well.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:29:28 AM EST
Welllllllll.....I've read all the posts as I too am in the market for a BUIS and am very glad to we are all in AGREEMENT !!

5sub
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:31:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Welllllllll.....I've read all the posts as I too am in the market for a BUIS and am very glad to we are all in AGREEMENT !!

5sub

What did I just agree too????

Oh crap not again, the last time I forgot what I agreed to there was a fat chick and some mayonaise involved.


Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:36:29 AM EST
In fixed sights I like the LMT followed by the LaRue. I use the Improved Battle Sight Zero, so the elevation wheel on the LMT makes it superior for my purposes.

For flip ups, I currently use the Troy but I also really like the ARMS #40. I switched to the Troy because it fits under an ACOG.

I do not like the ARMS 40L because when you flip it up, it is on the small aperature.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:37:46 AM EST
I have Troy but Magpul makes some buis. I have not tried them but they look nice and are a fraction of the price of Troy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:40:50 AM EST
I have a used Matech I'll sell you for $45 + shipping.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:42:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By rfm05:
YHM is not expensive and works quite well for me.


+1

I like my YHM flip rear sight. It fits perfectly under my TA31F on a LaRue mount.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:46:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Welllllllll.....I've read all the posts as I too am in the market for a BUIS and am very glad to we are all in AGREEMENT !!




5sub

What did I just agree too????

Oh crap not again, the last time I forgot what I agreed to there was a fat chick and some mayonaise involved.




You're halfway to making a sandwich.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:55:16 AM EST
To those of you that don't run the Flip-ups,

How well do the fixed sight's co-witness with an optic.

Or should I just get something that stays out of the way entirely.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:53:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
LMT has a big knob that gets in the way of charging handle latch manipulation.

Troy screws walk out under recoil.

Get the LaRue


I respectfully disagree. My LMT BUIS works well - the knob is about the same size as on a carry handle. Even without an extended latch, it hasn't been a problem for me. I worked malfunction clearances extensively yesterday with the LMT-sighted AR (thanks to a nonfunctioning .22 kit), and it wasn't an issue. That massive knob on Aimpoint's QRP mount, OTOH, was a much larger nuisance.

I have Troys on 2 other ARs, and put a dab of blue thread locker on the screw of each before installation. There has been zero movement despite being banged into objects & subjected to recoil. How would a Troy screw be any more likely than any other screw to walk under recoil?


I dont know the engineering behind why. I've just seen more Troy sights lose the attachment screw in classes than any other brand.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:58:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 8:00:33 AM EST by blackeye]
Depends on what kind of optic you have planned for the future.

Eotech or Aimpoint, I would go with the Larue fixed sight. Rock solid, no frills and sexy! LMT was little big for my tastes.

Acog or some kind of scope, I would get a low profile folding sight of some sort. Arms #40 low profile or a Troy would be the way to go.


ETA: In my experience, fixed sights do not get in the way for an Aimpoint.





Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:59:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
To those of you that don't run the Flip-ups,

How well do the fixed sight's co-witness with an optic.

Or should I just get something that stays out of the way entirely.



On both of my AR's with fixed rear sights, I use a LaRue optic mount that allows lower 1/3 cowitnessing. Use the rear sight when needed & just stare past (or over) it the rest of the time. No issues for me.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:02:16 AM EST
I have a Midwest Ind "Same Plane, Low Profile" flip-up. It wasn't very spendy, but it hasn't moved since I put it on.
I was worried the windage knob would get moved too easily, it hasn't been a problem yet.
The only gripe I have is that to acheive the low height, they had to shave off part of the diopter, so it will only fold down with the large diopter in place.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:03:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By blackeye:
Depends on what kind of optic you have planned for the future.

Eotech or Aimpoint, I would go with the Larue fixed sight. Rock solid, no frills and sexy! LMT was little big for my tastes.

Acog or some kind of scope, I would get a low profile folding sight of some sort. Arms #40 low profile or a Troy would be the way to go.


ETA: In my experience, fixed sights do not get in the way for an Aimpoint.

So if the plan is later in life to go with the Eotech the LaRue is GTG.

is there anything special that has to happen with my front sight post due to the lack of elevation adjustment on the LaRue?

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:07:37 AM EST
I have Midwest Ind. on my rifle and like it
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:30:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By rfm05:
YHM is not expensive and works quite well for me.


Exactly, wtf is this not a poll choice? You can get a full set for $100 used. Very solid.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:42:07 AM EST
All great suggestions, but, you mentioned adding an optic. So, knowing what type of optic you intend to get would figure into deciding which BUIS you will want to consider.

Do you want to cowitness your iron sights with your optic? I'm thinking like an Eothingy and folding BUIS. Do you want a folding or fixed BUIS? Mount type?

There is a great thread here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=206233

Don't buy anything until you have considered all the variables.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:52:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By strat81:
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Welllllllll.....I've read all the posts as I too am in the market for a BUIS and am very glad to we are all in AGREEMENT !!

5sub

What did I just agree too????

Oh crap not again, the last time I forgot what I agreed to there was a fat chick and some mayonaise involved.




You're halfway to making a sandwich.


Without benefit of the UNIFIED advice above, I would have defaulted to ARMS.........probably still will buy ARMS.....even though macman recommends ARMS.

5sub
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:54:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By SultanOfBrunei:
I have a Midwest Ind "Same Plane, Low Profile" flip-up. It wasn't very spendy, but it hasn't moved since I put it on.
I was worried the windage knob would get moved too easily, it hasn't been a problem yet.
The only gripe I have is that to acheive the low height, they had to shave off part of the diopter, so it will only fold down with the large diopter in place.

http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/images/products/splpclrpu.gif


That's the sight I'm looking for. I didn't realize it wouldn't fold down with the small diopter in place. Shouldn't be a problem.

Anybody got a used one for sale?

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:06:46 AM EST
Magpul MBUS.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:17:27 AM EST




TROY!! spend a little extra and get a set that will last forever and look the best doing it


Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:25:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Welllllllll.....I've read all the posts as I too am in the market for a BUIS and am very glad to we are all in AGREEMENT !!




5sub


So you have something constructive to add?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:26:42 AM EST
I am going to shut this baby down around 330 CST so I can get my order in before the end of the day.

So if you guys would like share the place you would buy your chosen product from and why I would appreciate it







Thanks
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:28:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By MoBigAl:
Originally Posted By SultanOfBrunei:
I have a Midwest Ind "Same Plane, Low Profile" flip-up. It wasn't very spendy, but it hasn't moved since I put it on.
I was worried the windage knob would get moved too easily, it hasn't been a problem yet.
The only gripe I have is that to acheive the low height, they had to shave off part of the diopter, so it will only fold down with the large diopter in place.
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/images/products/splpclrpu.gif

That's the sight I'm looking for. I didn't realize it wouldn't fold down with the small diopter in place. Shouldn't be a problem.
Anybody got a used one for sale?

If you had the right tools, I bet you could shave off the edge of the large diopter to get it to be able to fold down with the small diopter in place.

It would be impossible to break the site by closing it with it in the wrong position, it just won't fold 'flat.'
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:31:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
<...> if you guys would like share the place you would buy your chosen product from and why I would appreciate it <...>

Order from a site sponsor. I have ordered from Brownells and Bravo Comp with no problems. I ordered my MI SPLP folding site right from MI. The sponsor link is: MI

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:41:59 AM EST
troy or larue
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:42:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By nosliw:
larue and be done with it

agree 100%
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:46:49 AM EST
GG&G. Anything else is a compromise

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:51:04 AM EST
Decide if you want fixed or folding.

Then:

Fixed:
LMT
LaRue
Daniel Defense

Folding:
ARMS
KAC
Troy
Magpul
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