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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:17:04 AM EDT
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Fuck 'em.
I hope he gets streamrolled by the "justice" system. Edit: Had this happen in the states his buddies would have planted a drop gun on the victum and the agent would get a free vacation for a few weeks and a medal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:17:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:17:38 AM EDT
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What no dogs were shot?
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:19:44 AM EDT
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I hate the BATF as much as anyone, but I'll not be judging this guy just because he's an agent. I know a guy who retired from the PD this year and went to work for the BATF. He's a solid, good guy and not a BATF type thug.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:21:02 AM EDT
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There has got to be more to this.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:23:39 AM EDT
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Sounds like he is getting screwed. Sort of like the way the atf likes to screw people over.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:25:34 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense.
So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:27:16 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... I'm willing to bet that the grandstanders in this thread have never had contact with the ATF, positive, negative, or neutral... BTW, he shot 5 times because he had a 5 shot revolver...and it was a good shoot. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:30:47 AM EDT
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Getting involved in domestic violence incidents is always a big risk.
I wonder if the GF is going to be a witness for the prosecution, or the defense? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:35:01 AM EDT
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Sounds like he is getting screwed. Sort of like the way the atf likes to screw people over. If he had another employer I might be sympathetic. Being a BATFE agent I'd hazard a guess this fucker has sent someone up on questionable charges, karma is a bitch. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:36:11 AM EDT
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Well if USVI anything like when I was there, victim is probably related to someone in the local judiciary, police, and/or legislature.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:39:02 AM EDT
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Morally, I agree with what the agent did and that this whole thing is a bunch of political bullshit, but, what is the law regarding this shooting in the Virgin Islands? If he was not acting in his official duties, but as a concerned citizen, then what does the local law have to say about it? On the one hand, I think it sucks that someone (ARF agent or not) is getting prosecuted for self defense. On the other hand, I think that it would be a good thing if a federal agent got screwed because it shows how fucked up the laws are. There should not be a "protected" class that has the right to self defense, whereas the rest of the populace in certain states (e.g. libtard land) get told to fuck themselves and dial 911. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:40:20 AM EDT
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Never get involved in domestics leave it for the police.
ETA: Guns laws in the islands? They are a territory aren't they? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:44:38 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... I'm willing to bet that the grandstanders in this thread have never had contact with the ATF, positive, negative, or neutral... BTW, he shot 5 times because he had a 5 shot revolver...and it was a good shoot. The only one I've ever come into contact with was a complete dickhead. He went apeshit one day and the local cops sent in helicopters, SWAT team, evacuated the neighborhood and everything. He was armed with a bow and arrow and a knife that he had duct taped to a flagpole. Couple of weeks later he just happened to go to Ohio in the company of a felon, just a few miles from where his school teacher wife works. They locked down the school and scared the shit out of every kid in there. His case is still pending. http://theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/528598.html |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:07:05 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. His employer sure has. No one is saying he personally has done anything, just that he is now on the opposite side, the same thing BATFE has done. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:18:30 AM EDT
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I hope the firearm he used is subject to the same BATFE "scrutiny" as firearms used in other "crimes".
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:20:00 AM EDT
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There has got to be more to this. anything involving women is more complex than it seems Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:24:01 AM EDT
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The several I have worked with have been consummate professionals and stand up guys. Good luck to him.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:25:44 AM EDT
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No one is saying he personally has done anything, just that he is now on the opposite side, the same thing BATFE has done. Quoted:
Being a BATFE agent I'd hazard a guess this fucker has sent someone up on questionable charges, karma is a bitch. Quoted:
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... I'm willing to bet that the grandstanders in this thread have never had contact with the ATF, positive, negative, or neutral... BTW, he shot 5 times because he had a 5 shot revolver...and it was a good shoot. The only one I've ever come into contact with was a complete dickhead. He went apeshit one day and the local cops sent in helicopters, SWAT team, evacuated the neighborhood and everything. He was armed with a bow and arrow and a knife that he had duct taped to a flagpole. Couple of weeks later he just happened to go to Ohio in the company of a felon, just a few miles from where his school teacher wife works. They locked down the school and scared the shit out of every kid in there. His case is still pending. http://theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/528598.html Sounds like his crazy was unrelated to being an ATF agent. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:26:23 AM EDT
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Just because he is BATF is no reason to jump....Oh, well.....
Just read the story. Excerpts for the lazy: It took more than a year to perform toxicology tests on Sukow's blood to determine his blood-alcohol level at the time of his death. Court documents, Lee says, show it at 0.29, well above the legal definition for driving while intoxicated in New York State, and that illegal drugs were also detected in Sukow's system. Not all of the statements from witnesses were recorded by police who responded to the scene. Concern that local police in the Virgin Islands want to make an example out of a federal agent from the mainland because they have negative opinions of "feds," especially after FBI agents arrested some local officers in a police-corruption case there. Despite a federal law enforcement panel's ruling that Clark acted within the scope of his duties as a federal agent, Superior Court refused to acknowledge it or that the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause exempts him from prosecution. The court said the clause applied to states, not U.S. territories. Too bad it didn't happen in Las Vegas. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:28:16 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:30:14 AM EDT
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sounds like a good shoot and the charges are bullshit
but to see a ATF agent get caught up in a hyper technicalities is delicious irony |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:34:54 AM EDT
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Didn't realize that there were so many scumbags here in GD. I shouldn't be surprised though.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:35:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just because he is BATF is no reason to jump....Oh, well..... Just read the story. Excerpts for the lazy: It took more than a year to perform toxicology tests on Sukow's blood to determine his blood-alcohol level at the time of his death. Court documents, Lee says, show it at 0.29, well above the legal definition for driving while intoxicated in New York State, and that illegal drugs were also detected in Sukow's system. Not all of the statements from witnesses were recorded by police who responded to the scene. Concern that local police in the Virgin Islands want to make an example out of a federal agent from the mainland because they have negative opinions of "feds," especially after FBI agents arrested some local officers in a police-corruption case there. Despite a federal law enforcement panel's ruling that Clark acted within the scope of his duties as a federal agent, Superior Court refused to acknowledge it or that the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause exempts him from prosecution. The court said the clause applied to states, not U.S. territories. Too bad it didn't happen in Las Vegas. The territorial court is violating the Constitution by claiming that they have independent jurisdiction from US law... Not only does Art 6 apply, but the Constitution clearly places US territories under the direct authority of the US govt... I would agree with the poster stating it's 'Payback' for the US busting corrupt local officials... I would also expect the territorial authorities to lose this fight... Shooting a drunk & drugged man who's beating up his wife with a metal flashlight = good shoot... |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:36:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: sounds like a good shoot and the charges are bullshit but to see a ATF agent get caught up in a hyper technicalities is delicious irony Not technicalities, more 'kangaroo court'... |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:36:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just because he is BATF is no reason to jump....Oh, well..... Just read the story. Excerpts for the lazy: It took more than a year to perform toxicology tests on Sukow's blood to determine his blood-alcohol level at the time of his death. Court documents, Lee says, show it at 0.29, well above the legal definition for driving while intoxicated in New York State, and that illegal drugs were also detected in Sukow's system. Not all of the statements from witnesses were recorded by police who responded to the scene. Concern that local police in the Virgin Islands want to make an example out of a federal agent from the mainland because they have negative opinions of "feds," especially after FBI agents arrested some local officers in a police-corruption case there. Despite a federal law enforcement panel's ruling that Clark acted within the scope of his duties as a federal agent, Superior Court refused to acknowledge it or that the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause exempts him from prosecution. The court said the clause applied to states, not U.S. territories. Too bad it didn't happen in Las Vegas. Work for a agency that ignores the Constitution every day of the week and get raped by a court who also refuesed to acknowledge it. 
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:36:46 AM EDT
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Didn't realize that there were so many scumbags here in GD. I shouldn't be surprised though. QFT |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:38:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: sounds like a good shoot and the charges are bullshit but to see a ATF agent get caught up in a hyper technicalities is delicious irony Not technicalities, more 'kangaroo court'... Kinda like the ATFs technical division capricious and nonsensical with little over site |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:43:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: There has got to be more to this. anything involving women is more complex than it seems Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile QFT |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:45:20 AM EDT
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ATF? Fuck him.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:45:52 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? So are you just going to bitch on the internet or what? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:47:32 AM EDT
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Some of the posts in this thread are more ignorant than I would even imagine seeing.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:48:10 AM EDT
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karma just took a big shit
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:49:26 AM EDT
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I hate the BATF as much as anyone, but I'll not be judging this guy just because he's an agent. I know a guy who retired from the PD this year and went to work for the BATF. He's a solid, good guy and not a BATF type thug. This. Only about 99.9% of them are thugs. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 9:55:14 AM EDT
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Fuck 'em. I hope he gets streamrolled by the "justice" system. Edit: Had this happen in the states his buddies would have planted a drop gun on the victum and the agent would get a free vacation for a few weeks and a medal. Currently nominated for stupid post of the day. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:08:01 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? So are you just going to bitch on the internet or what? Time will tell .... you gonna answer the question? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:11:08 AM EDT
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Sounds to me like a man protecting an innocent person from a thug.
If anyone of us had done it, we'd be a hero on the board and a criminal in the media. He's getting treated like one of us. He just happens to be a BATFE agent. He did the right thing IMO and shouldn't be getting screwed like he is. Yea, he may be an ATF goon but he was doing a good deed. Maybe it will help him see our side of things. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:13:29 AM EDT
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Good or bad ATF....... long live the right to defend ourselves (and others
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:15:14 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? So are you just going to bitch on the internet or what? Time will tell .... you gonna answer the question? None of them were enforcing any unconstitutional laws. I guess you're going to keep sitting on your ass while you believe that the rights of others are being violated, though. What a badass. "Time will tell." 
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:16:31 AM EDT
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Good shoot, good luck to him.
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:19:02 AM EDT
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Sounds to me like a man protecting an innocent person from a thug. If anyone of us had done it, we'd be a hero on the board and a criminal in the media. He's getting treated like one of us. He just happens to be a BATFE agent. He did the right thing IMO and shouldn't be getting screwed like he is. Yea, he may be an ATF goon but he was doing a good deed. Maybe it will help him see our side of things. The ATF has fucked over people who have done nothing wrong for plenty long. Karma can be a bitch. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:27:16 AM EDT
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Some of the posts in this thread are more ignorant than I would even imagine seeing. +1 My ignore list just got alot longer 
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:27:21 AM EDT
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i certainly don't hope the guy any ill will - lord knows he was living by the mantra we often use: "better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6." i couldn't help but notice the paper's headline though... Federal agent's bravery in tropics turns into nightmare
if that actually WERE one of us, the title would have read: Vigilante on trial for brutal slaying
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:29:01 AM EDT
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Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? So are you just going to bitch on the internet or what? Time will tell .... you gonna answer the question? None of them were enforcing any unconstitutional laws. I guess you're going to keep sitting on your ass while you believe that the rights of others are being violated, though. What a badass. "Time will tell." so you dont believe anyone in the countries rights are being violated then right? surely if you did you would be out doing something about it right? Or are you just doing your typical arfcom hypocritical chest pounding? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:31:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Just because he is BATF is no reason to jump....Oh, well..... Just read the story. Excerpts for the lazy: It took more than a year to perform toxicology tests on Sukow's blood to determine his blood-alcohol level at the time of his death. Court documents, Lee says, show it at 0.29, well above the legal definition for driving while intoxicated in New York State, and that illegal drugs were also detected in Sukow's system. Not all of the statements from witnesses were recorded by police who responded to the scene. Concern that local police in the Virgin Islands want to make an example out of a federal agent from the mainland because they have negative opinions of "feds," especially after FBI agents arrested some local officers in a police-corruption case there. Despite a federal law enforcement panel's ruling that Clark acted within the scope of his duties as a federal agent, Superior Court refused to acknowledge it or that the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause exempts him from prosecution. The court said the clause applied to states, not U.S. territories. Too bad it didn't happen in Las Vegas. Work for a agency that ignores the Constitution every day of the week and get raped by a court who also refuesed to acknowledge it.  bunch of stupid people in this thread and that case. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:33:46 AM EDT
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None of them were enforcing any unconstitutional laws. I guess you're going to keep sitting on your ass while you believe that the rights of others are being violated, though. What a badass. "Time will tell." so you dont believe anyone in the countries rights are being violated then right? surely if you did you would be out doing something about it right? Or are you just doing your typical arfcom hypocritical chest pounding? Wait a second, who is doing the chest pounding? You're the one saying shit like "time will tell." I believe rights are being violated all the time, but I don't feel the need to post tough guy shit about every single case on the internet. In this case, the rights being violated are those of an ATF agent - and yes, I've done what I can about it. I did months ago, actually. Why don't you share your record of interactions with the ATF? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:38:21 AM EDT
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Any other time a guy making a justified shot would get this:
But since it's an ATF agent, it's OK to want him lynched.... |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:39:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: BS!Fuck 'em. I hope he gets streamrolled by the "justice" system. Edit: Had this happen in the states his buddies would have planted a drop gun on the victum and the agent would get a free vacation for a few weeks and a medal. My Niece works for the ATF, I have three close friends who are Agents. What you're claiming is a fucking lie. You don't judge an entire Govt agency based on some bad guys who work there. You want an innocent man jailed because of paranoid feelings of the ATF? WTF is wrong with you ? Did you even bother to read the whole story? If what was printed is true he's innocent , period! |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:51:28 AM EDT
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I can't believe some of you are good with this guy being charged in an obvious self-defense case.
Some of you have some deep character flaws. |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:55:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uh... WTF? We don't know that this agent ever screwed over anybody... and self-defense is self-defense. So he's supposed to go down, just because he's BATF? That's pretty bigoted. Every ATF agent I've been in contact with has been nothing but polite and professional... So as long as they are polite and professional while fucking you in the ass enforcing unconstituional laws , you are OK with it? You mean like the ATF agents who could have busted a member here for dealing w/o a license, but instead dropped by to give him the forms to get a license, and explained the process/law to him? Or the ones who kept repeatedly meeting with Cav Arms and trying to show them how NOT to violate the law? Lots of 'ass fucking' going on there, right? (NOT!) |
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