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1/25/2018 7:38:29 AM
Posted: 7/29/2002 12:14:31 PM EST
Local news reporting ATF was "backing up" APD on a "drug bust" and shot two people in a car that approached them on the street. Few details at this time. Will update as details become available.
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 12:35:31 PM EST
Did they also burn the car to the ground???? [pyro]
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 12:42:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2002 12:43:21 PM EST by skullworks]
Did the vehicle look anything like this: [img]http://www.itsmarta.com/lo/graphics/transit_anim.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 12:42:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Urban_Redneck: Did they also burn the car to the ground???? [pyro]
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No, they probably walked up to the car and shot them in the face with an M4 assault rifle.[;)] Will there be internment camps for the BATF as well?[50]
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 12:43:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2002 12:45:03 PM EST by GodBlessTexas]
[url]http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.asp?storyid=19754[/url]
ATF Agents, 2 Men Injured in Shooting Reported By: Jaye Watson Web Editor: Manav Tanneeru Last Modified: 7/29/2002 5:24:27 PM Two ATF agents and two men were injured in a car crash and shooting in northwest Atlanta Monday. ATF agents were reportedly assisting Atlanta police in executing a search warrant in the 500 block of Elmwood Drive, off Bankhead Highway, when a Burgundy car came speeding down the street and crashed into an ATF vehicle. The ATF agents then fired into the Burgundy car, injuring the two men inside. The two men were transported to Grady Memorial Hospital. Two ATF agents sustained minor injuries as a result of the car crash and also were taken to Grady. The conditions of the two ATF agents and the two men have not yet been released.
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They were just worried they weren't going make it home to see their families, so they did what they had to do. [rolleyes] Seriously, any of our asses would be hung out to dry if we just plugged motorists because they hit us. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 12:49:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By skullworks: Did the vehicle look anything like this: [img]http://www.itsmarta.com/lo/graphics/transit_anim.gif[/img]
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The one on the right vaguely reminds me of the John-Madden-Mobile [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 1:02:32 PM EST
While the ATF certainly hasn't gone out of their way to avoid this kind of reputation... This is a rather skimpy news report to be claiming that it was the ATF's fault. They guys in the car may have been the ones that the APD were looking for, and if they deliberately rammed the ATF agents car when the ATF tried to block them that would a assault with a deadly weapon... This happens about once a week here in the Phoenix metro area. Why? The police here go to insane lengths to keep people from escaping in vheicles-thus avoiding the hours long high speed freeway chases that plauge places like LA, which puts hundreds of motorists and pedstrians in danger.
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 1:16:07 PM EST
The situation with this incident is still very fluid. The car involved is still overturned in the street in front of the house where the warrant was being served. Local resident witnesses are relating a version different than the police/tax agent version(who is surprised by that...?) No indications at this time the people in the car were involved in the warrant. They were coming toward the scene, not trying to flee. More details to come later...maybe.
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 1:51:40 PM EST
You have to give the LEO'S the benefit of the doubt down here. A week ago a car full of teens were attempting to steal a Buick Grand National,undercovers intercepted and one was struck by the Chevy Suburban.The officer fired a fatal shot. Now there are accusations of racial profiling and Johnny Cochran has been hired! Of Course!
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 2:03:55 PM EST
No indications at this time the people in the car were involved in the warrant. They were coming toward the scene, not trying to flee.
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Again you could be right. But you see THIS guy was also not part of the warrant and not running away when he pulled up to a house being raided, and look what happened:[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=128677[/url]
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 5:08:27 PM EST
So, any new developments?
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 5:39:38 PM EST
Yep, too little information so far.
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 5:41:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/29/2002 6:52:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2002 6:59:55 PM EST by LARRYG]
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
No indications at this time the people in the car were involved in the warrant. They were coming toward the scene, not trying to flee.
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Again you could be right. But you see THIS guy was also not part of the warrant and not running away when he pulled up to a house being raided, and look what happened:[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=128677[/url]
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I have been watching the news on this and they were hardly pulling up to the house. They accelerated and rammed an LE vehicle. As is typical, especially it seems in Atlanta, everytime a cops shoots someone, the black community gets upset and says the guy who got shot didn't deserve it. Maybe this was a righteous shoot, but maybe now, since it was in the black community, something will be done to reel in the ATF. However, cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they shoot, they are called trigger happy, if they don't shoot and wind up getting shot, they need more training. No win situation. No excusing all of them, as we have all read about some totally unjustified FBI shootings recently.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 3:47:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 4:14:47 AM EST by platform389]
Originally Posted By shotar: So, with all the jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle etc. What we really have so far is a ramming, a shooting, and too few facts to determine the whole circumstances under which this incident occurred.
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Originally Posted By LARRYG: As is typical, especially it seems in Atlanta, everytime a cops shoots someone, the black community gets upset and says the guy who got shot didn't deserve it.
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Add one more fact to the above. One of the "subjects" has now died. Given ATF's past "performance", I am very inclined to listen more closely to other witnesses versions of events. Media still has not said if these people were involved with the warrant at all. I find that rather odd. Edited to add: [url]http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.asp?storyid=19754[/url]
Man Killed in Incident Involving ATF A man was killed and three others injured, including two ATF agents, in a shooting in northwest Atlanta Monday afternoon. ATF agents were assisting Atlanta police in executing a search warrant in the 500 block of Elmwood Drive, off Bankhead Highway, when a Burgundy car came speeding down the street and crashed into an ATF vehicle. The ATF, or Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, agents then fired into the Burgundy car, injuring the two men inside. The two men were transported to Grady Memorial Hospital, where the driver of the car later died. Two ATF agents sustained minor injuries as a result of the car crash and were also taken to Grady. The conditions of the two ATF agents and the other man were not released Monday. Neighbors: Police Shot First Neighbors said the police over-reacted in the incident. “Every time people in the public say something about officers doing something wrong, we don’t have nobody, you understand, to speak for us,” a local resident said, alluding to several past incidents involving police shootings during the last few weeks. ATF agent Jack Killorin said he disagreed with the observation that the ATF agents over-reacted. “They fired at the vehicle that was going to hit them, I think, is the way they’d describe it,” he said. Police Shootings Under Fire Although the shooting involved federal officers, it added to a litany of cases that Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington and other state law enforcement officials have recently had to address. (Full Story) “I’m going to have to get with our command staff and our academy to find out the procedures we are using to train our officers on when to use their weapons involving vehicles,” Pennington said on July 19. Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin said she agreed with Pennington’s desire for a review of procedures. “I agree with him. The safety of our police staff is paramount to our ability to keep the city safe,” she said. Rev. Markel Hutchins, of the National Youth Connection, who has been active in protests surrounding a recent police shooting that left an 18 year old dead, said, "We think that we have been seeing a trend of police using excessive force around our nation, and Atlanta's not immune to that." However, law enforcement officials maintain that the shootings were justifiable, citing that in all the cases the officers perceived themselves to be in the way of danger.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:15:47 AM EST
Why is it always federal LEOs that do the shooting? And what is a tax-enforcement agency (ATF) doing participating in a city police warrant service operation? Are the Atlanta police so undermanned or incompetent that they cannot serve their own warrants? Did a bunch of ATF desk jockeys find out about the warrant and say "ooh, ooh, I wanna play with my MP5! Can I come along?"
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 11:25:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 11:28:40 AM EST by shamayim]
Are they undermanned or incompetent? Yes to both questions. Atlanta has one of the worst big city police forces in the country, due in large part to the former mayor, Bill Campbell, appointing his police officer DRIVER to be Chief of Police some years back. Thank goodness she's now gone, but it remains to be seen whether the new administration and the new Chief, can clean up any of the mess. Remember--this is the town that just had a local sheriff convicted of having his successor assassinated [;D]
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