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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:31:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:32:12 PM EDT
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Probably will take 1 year to get your ffl now, as opposed to the 6 months it took me.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:33:02 PM EDT
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Probably will take 1 year to get your ffl now, as opposed to the 6 months it took me. That could be a big downside |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:33:15 PM EDT
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WOW!!
Notice that leaves them with 87% left? Did arfcom do the budget cuts? Should have cut it 87% and left them with the 13%. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:34:58 PM EDT
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Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts?
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:37:04 PM EDT
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Well that explains why they just put a bunch of straw buyers on TV and claimed they took down a big smuggling ring.
 I bet the DEA wishes they could just arrest a bunch of street corner kids slinging crack and then claim they took out a bunch of drug runners too.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:37:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:38:14 PM EDT
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WOW!! Notice that leaves them with 87% left? Did arfcom do the budget cuts? Should have cut it 87% and left them with the 13%. If ARFCOM did the budget we'd have cut them 100% 
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:39:10 PM EDT
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico. 1st post and all that... ;) Amy way to cut the other 87%? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:40:02 PM EDT
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Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? The same reason every time a town or city politician has to make budget cuts they cut the police and fire departments instead of the millions going to their buddies. It is to try and force us to give them all the money they want. It should be criminal. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:40:48 PM EDT
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Gee, I wonder if they are cutting "Operation Gunrunner" because they FUBAR'd the whole program? Disband it immediately and cause chaos to cover their tracks?
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:44:18 PM EDT
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The ATF has one of the worst cases of "mission creep" of any federal law enforcement agency. They deserve the cuts to keep them in line.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:50:13 PM EDT
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On the one hand, I definitely support strangling the budget for this agency. However, this also affects NFA transfers. I'm currently at 3 months waiting for an SOT to SOT transfer to go through, and then the SOT can start the transfer process to me. The wait time will not decrease.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:53:26 PM EDT
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On the one hand, I definitely support strangling the budget for this agency. However, this also affects NFA transfers. I'm currently at 3 months waiting for an SOT to SOT transfer to go through, and then the SOT can start the transfer process to me. The wait time will not decrease. NFA is a money making operation. That won't get cut. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:57:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? I was thinking the same thing. Why NOT focus on people illegally buying guns and selling them in Mexico? Why NOT leave us law abiding citizens the fuck alone with our Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:58:49 PM EDT
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should have cut the 87% instead
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:01:14 PM EDT
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MORE WIN in the news tonight.....Unfund the junk, and call it unconstitutional I like the trend.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:05:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: MORE WIN in the news tonight.....Unfund the junk, and call it unconstitutional I like the trend. Knowing the BATFE, I'm sure the 4 people or so processing Class III paperwork will now be reduced to a single person. I don't know if I'd call that a win. I sure as hell know that I don't want to wait two years for a new suppressor. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:07:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: On the one hand, I definitely support strangling the budget for this agency. However, this also affects NFA transfers. I'm currently at 3 months waiting for an SOT to SOT transfer to go through, and then the SOT can start the transfer process to me. The wait time will not decrease. NFA is a money making operation. That won't get cut. When has the government actually been logical? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:08:43 PM EDT
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ruh, roh,... now how are they going to get enough funding to track down alll those straw purchases of rocket-propelled grenades, belt fed machine guns, and attack helicopters from border-town gun stores?
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:39:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Because they don't trust the subjects of the American government to just blindly get herded up the ramp into the cattlecar?Quoted: Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? I was thinking the same thing. Why NOT focus on people illegally buying guns and selling them in Mexico? Why NOT leave us law abiding citizens the fuck alone with our Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:47:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: On the one hand, I definitely support strangling the budget for this agency. However, this also affects NFA transfers. I'm currently at 3 months waiting for an SOT to SOT transfer to go through, and then the SOT can start the transfer process to me. The wait time will not decrease. NFA is a money making operation. That won't get cut. If they could speed up the process, I promise to do my part to lower the deficit and improve the economy, $200 at a time!! |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:02:09 PM EDT
[#23]
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico. So, no more walking ARs across the border to inflate the numbers? Or the grand total of, what, 4? agents in mexico will get fired? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:05:12 PM EDT
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WOW!! Notice that leaves them with 87% left? Did arfcom do the budget cuts? Should have cut it 87% and left them with the 13%. If ARFCOM did the budget we'd have cut them 100% AND make them do a raffle for each gun, they have in that huge gun collection they possess..... 
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:08:12 PM EDT
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Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? The same reason every time a town or city politician has to make budget cuts they cut the police and fire departments instead of the millions going to their buddies. It is to try and force us to give them all the money they want. It should be criminal. they could cut 100% of the irs, and the atf, and 80 % of the congressional staff, ( make the damn politicians actually do some work)..... i would not donate a penny.... acutally id take the atf, and rename them blackwater 2, and ship them all to iraq, and the stan..... they could kick in doors to their hearts content. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Well, you'd think the banners would be HAPPY that evil weapons are leaving the US!
Of course, we all know that is BULLSHIT. Why the fuck would a cartel try to buy firearms in the US, when they are much cheaper from other countries? Shit, in some places of the world, you can get full auto AKs for $30. Why the FUCK would you try to come into the US and buy semi auto AKs for $400+? |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:20:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking pay illegals to smuggle guns from the U.S. to Mexico to murder Border Patrol agents. Fixed. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:34:07 PM EDT
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Yea sounds like multiple fuckups down here and they want to disband it and get rid of their leak.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 12:17:40 AM EDT
[#29]
Sweet. I would love to be able to see the day when the BATFE withers on the vine and then falls to the ground with no fanfare, there to rot and blow away.
Good riddance to a worthless hunk of big government that hasn't done anything of any measurable worth since its inception. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 1:02:53 AM EDT
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How about the cut off the "importality" of "certain" shotguns study, and save some $$$. And also invest in a decent spell check software to prevent the word "importality" from ever appearing again!
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Posted: 2/1/2011 2:51:21 AM EDT
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What scares me is what they might do if they really think their budget is in danger. They will pull some stupid, over the top publicity stunt to try to justify their existence, and some poor schmuck (or multiple poor schmucks) will end up dying for it. It's happened before.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 2:58:35 AM EDT
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Looking at that sight always makes me ill.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:04:13 AM EDT
[#33]
If you cut the ATF budget 100%, no one will be around to process NFA forms.
And since i'm waiting on 4 stamps, please don't!  |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:19:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Probably will take 1 year to get your ffl now, as opposed to the 6 months it took me. Or wait times for NFA tax stamps could sky rocket.... 
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:23:59 AM EDT
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Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? The same reason every time a town or city politician has to make budget cuts they cut the police and fire departments instead of the millions going to their buddies. It is to try and force us to give them all the money they want. It should be criminal. This is why. Lock the administrators up. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:34:57 AM EDT
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They have to make a small cut and THAT is the project they want to cut?
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:37:17 AM EDT
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Why would they reduce focus on illegals/gunrunning for Mexican Gangs? Is that the best place to reduce efforts? The same reason every time a town or city politician has to make budget cuts they cut the police and fire departments instead of the millions going to their buddies. It is to try and force us to give them all the money they want. It should be criminal. This is why. Lock the administrators up. This^^^^ |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:04:44 AM EDT
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If you cut the ATF budget 100%, no one will be around to process NFA forms. And since i'm waiting on 4 stamps, please don't!
Yeah, and what happens if you don't have the forms if there is no more ATF? |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:41:20 AM EDT
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You NFA people may have to take one for the team so as to generate an onerous burden.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 7:47:32 AM EDT
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I guess they didn't get the memo that Project Gunrunner Gunwalker has been deemed an expensive failure.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 8:59:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If you cut the ATF budget 100%, no one will be around to process NFA forms. And since i'm waiting on 4 stamps, please don't! Yeah, and what happens if you don't have the forms if there is no more ATF? Technically if there was no more atf, I would be able to make/buy NFA stuff to my hearts content...at least I hope. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 8:59:43 AM EDT
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cut it by at least 50%
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Posted: 2/1/2011 9:02:56 AM EDT
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Given how the .gov does things, how much was the planned budget increase that got cut back?
EG, increase budget by 8%, then reduce that to a 7% increase. That makes it a 13% CUT in the increase, which is then called a 13% budget cut. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 9:05:53 AM EDT
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico. We finally found something we can export to mexico and they want to stop it....... |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 9:08:23 AM EDT
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1349/ According to a report in today’s Washington Post, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could suffer budget cuts of almost 13 percent, which would effectively eliminate Project Gunrunner, a program designed to combat gun-trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico. Too bad they'll have to eliminate Project Pad-The-Numbers-of-Guns-Crossing-the-Border, Then-Lie-To-Congress-About-It. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 10:32:28 AM EDT
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Most of the guns that end up in the drug trade come from the Mexican Police and Military. They are very active partners in the drug trade. People act like the Mexican government is actually trying to stop it. They are funded by it.
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