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Posted: 10/14/2004 7:10:12 PM EST
How come no one has made any semi auto m249 belt feds? I know they made semi M60's, 1919's and M2's all in semi, do you think they will make M249's?
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:23:59 PM EST
It won't happen until parts kits are available cheap. 10 years if ever.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:24:40 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:25:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
It won't happen until parts kits are available cheap. 10 years if ever.




yeah, they would be to expensive right now to make
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:26:17 PM EST
They already exist.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:27:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By double8:
do you think they will make M249's?



All in all, a semi-M249 would probably be close to the price of a transferable Mac-10 (most likely MORE).

I mean, I wouldn't drop the money on one unless it was less than $1700... But, some niche buyers out there would drool and put other DNA on the rifle - so I guess it's personal preferrance.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:30:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



Yea I think they are approx $8k


Consider it cost the Military $7k for a FA one, $8k is "decent"
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 7:39:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:06:37 PM EST

Dealer samples are $55k and up from what somebody posted


Pre May 86 MAYBE....but 55K for a post 86? Doubtful.

My pal has one and I doubt he forked over that much. I will find out and post though.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:08:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Biggame223:

Dealer samples are $55k and up from what somebody posted


Pre May 86 MAYBE....but 55K for a post 86? Doubtful.

My pal has one and I doubt he forked over that much. I will find out and post though.



Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:10:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



Yea I think they are approx $8k


Consider it cost the Military $7k for a FA one, $8k is "decent"



No friggin' way Uncle Sugar is paying $7000 for a SAW.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:11:37 PM EST

I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:12:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



Yea I think they are approx $8k


Consider it cost the Military $7k for a FA one, $8k is "decent"



No friggin' way Uncle Sugar is paying $7000 for a SAW.



Thats what I recall hearing.

I may not be 100% but thats what I recall at the moment.

Keep in mind Im still half asleep though
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:13:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.




Hey Id still like to have a semi beltfed, just because its evil.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:13:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



yep

I think i saw them in a Shotgun news ad
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:15:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



Yea I think they are approx $8k


Consider it cost the Military $7k for a FA one, $8k is "decent"



No friggin' way Uncle Sugar is paying $7000 for a SAW.




Thats what I was thinking.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:15:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By superdav:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



yep

I think i saw them in a Shotgun news ad



You sure that wasnt a Shrike AD, I seen a few of them,,
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:21:18 PM EST
249s are open bolt. so thats a little problem.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:40:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 8:46:11 PM EST by 3woodiii]
I was at Knob Creek last weekend and there were quite a few of them must have been about 6 or so. Most of the prices were 75K. I would have to take a mortgage out on that bitch even if I lived in a state where I could own one. But they are cool as hell.



Notice the guys shirt on the other side of the table hell yea!
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:46:05 PM EST
fuck semi, i want a real one.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:51:55 PM EST
post samples new from fn run around 7 k semi ones run about 9 if you can find one
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:54:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 8:58:27 PM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:55:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 8:57:16 PM EST
The M249 doesn't have any of the 'banned' AW features besides the PG anyway...

Oh yeah, it might have had a FH...
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:00:09 PM EST
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:02:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army



I keep thinking of joining, off and on.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:07:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.





I'm with you. But I have a lot of interest in this conversion:
www.socommfg.com/saw%20M11%20conversions.htm

It's a SAW made full auto by adapting a registered Mac reciever.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:14:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.





I'm with you. But I have a lot of interest in this conversion:
www.socommfg.com/saw%20M11%20conversions.htm

It's a SAW made full auto by adapting a registered Mac reciever.




HOLYSHIT thats right down the street
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:17:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army



I keep thinking of joining, off and on.



National Guard, it's the Army, off and on.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:20:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army



I keep thinking of joining, off and on.



I got to shoot one!!!

The round seems alot more powerful out of a 249.

Me and my battle buddie were the SAW gunners in basic.

Lugged that bitch all over Fort jackson.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:08:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.





I'm with you. But I have a lot of interest in this conversion:
www.socommfg.com/saw%20M11%20conversions.htm

It's a SAW made full auto by adapting a registered Mac reciever.




HOLYSHIT thats right down the street




Well good! Trot your ass down there and get us some reviews... I need to know if the thing works!
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:29:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I can see the allure of a class 3 or dealer sample FULL AUTO M249 (or other belt-feds), but I've NEVER understood the point of a semi-automatic beltfed.


Seems a little like having a huge muscle car, and putting a moped engine in it.





I'm with you. But I have a lot of interest in this conversion:
www.socommfg.com/saw%20M11%20conversions.htm

It's a SAW made full auto by adapting a registered Mac reciever.




HOLYSHIT thats right down the street




Well good! Trot your ass down there and get us some reviews... I need to know if the thing works!




Can you loan me $6k and a MAC?


I seen some of thier stuff
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:56:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 12:57:52 AM EST by R-32]

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:

I got to shoot one!!!





I got to shoot, and clean, and carry several...

for that price, and only being semi...You all can have them...
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:26:56 AM EST
For the 8 years I was in I humped a M249 for 4 of them. Must say the best love hate relationship i ever had. Loved to shoot it. Hated carrying it and the extra barrell. I would buy one, in FA only. Single fire only is a let down to me.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:43:32 AM EST
I carried the M249 SAW in the past and use the M240B now. I wouldnt want semiauto in either - its pointless - you just want a REALLY heavy 5.56mm or .308?! for a 5.56mm beltfed - I would opt for the SHRIKE long before I tried to get a semiauto M249. Personally, if I want 5.56mm or 7.62mm in semiauto I will stick with a battle rifle or an AR15. Belt fed semiauto does nothing for me - and I guarantee "semiauto M249" would be extremely pricey - if every available. I doubt you'll see M249 parts kits ever - maybe 30 years from now - FN MFG does NOT sell military parts to civilians - example - the only FN mfg M16 parts on the civilian market are quality control rejects that somehow ended up being sold.

I am pretty certain the Gov't pays about $7k each for the M249's - I used to be signed for 19 of them - and they were pretty damn expensive I do know that.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:54:10 AM EST
Having a belt-fed semi-auto is like being Superman without all the powers.

I'll pass.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 2:59:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:05:57 AM EST
M249s are nothing special, but to each their own.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:49:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 4:51:23 AM EST by chrism101]
Man wait til the media finds out we are discussing these now.

They will probably claim that they are fully auto, armor piercing, laser guided, strategic weapons of mass murder. Now if they knew we could get one they would be bitching about the BAN expiration again.

I think DU / BRADY Bunch probably monitor this place. Anything we want they come out against.

Besides elect KERRY and Our sovereignty as a Nation is in jeopardy. But the good News is Islamic Fundamentalists seem to support the 2nd amendment rights, but thats about it.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:58:16 AM EST
Global Security.org has $4087 listed as the unit price, but I'm not sure what year it's from. I read somewhere that most of the SAWs in service are pretty old, bought during the Reagan build-up. I've heard that there are some number of wear related failures on the SAWs in Iraq.

IIRC, a big portion of the high cost is due to the requirement to use M16 mags as a back up. Without the dual feed, it's much cheaper.

Here are some websites.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m249.htm
http://www.fnmfg.com/
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:04:49 AM EST
Our F89 Minimis also have the dual feed...even though we didnt use M16 mags at time of procurement.

We are getting some M4's so they may have a use now...
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:17:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army



I keep thinking of joining, off and on.



National Guard, it's the Army, off and on.



Like the modern US Army AND National Guard has ROOM for all of us?
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:48:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Like the modern US Army AND National Guard has ROOM for all of us?


The recruiter will make room for you. Units can be over 100 % strength with no problem.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:53:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By superdav:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
They already exist.



yep

I think i saw them in a Shotgun news ad



You sure that wasnt a Shrike AD, I seen a few of them,,



Nope it was an ad for SEMI M249 soon to be availible, i dont remember who it was though
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:25:42 AM EST
I can easily see over $7k for a M249.

M60s go for approx $7400. How do I know? I ordered 2 of them for our base armory.

Most suprising price I saw for a firearm? Bone stock M-14: $148.00
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 8:18:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Wanna shoot em for free?

Join the Army



thats exactly what I did. on top of that the receiver on my old saw cracked so it got coded out. so I got a brand new 249 now. with the front rail system, a colapsable paratrooper butt stock, m68 (aimpoint comp ml2) and cqb short barrel, it's wicked fun. bwa ha ha ha.

if you look at the left hand corner of that picture of the 249 at the gun show you can see the barrel of a m240B. now thats a bad bitch.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:18:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Transferrable are in excess of $100k.



Although expensive, they aren't THAT expensive.

That's the price range of miniguns.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:21:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 11:24:27 AM EST by Sturmwehr]
Double postage.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:23:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:


HOLYSHIT thats right down the street



Tax: Whoa. I think we'll have to make a stop on our way to Bulletfest, eh?


The upper is a NON Firearm and requires NO paperwork. Current cost is $5995.00 and comes with 1 (100 round drum and belt).


...Or perhaps not.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:25:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By Taxman:


HOLYSHIT thats right down the street



Tax: Whoa. I think we'll have to make a stop on our way to Bulletfest, eh?


The upper is a NON Firearm and requires NO paperwork. Current cost is $5995.00 and comes with 1 (100 round drum and belt).


...Or perhaps not.




Only problem is I dont have a Mac, or $6k laying around.


That place is approx 20 miles from the house, I can drop by there one day and seewhat I can find for people.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 11:36:32 AM EST
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