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Posted: 11/19/2008 8:58:47 AM EDT
No, this isn't about religious debate.



Last night I'm at a bishopric meeting (my church calling is assistant executive secretary to the bishopric) and as our meeting begins we're chatting a bit before moving on to congregation matters.  The bishops counselors and the executive secretary are discussing favorite comedy movies that they enjoy.

The bishop begins chatting with me about a pistol that he's getting for his wife.  He's very excited about getting her a new Sig .380.  Naturally I congratulate him for getting his wife a gun (good man, obviously) and begin discussing the limitations of the .380 cartridge.

"With the .380 it's hard to get good penetration and good expansion at the same time.  If you have to choose between the two options I'd suggest FMJ ammo for penetration.  It's good to have both but when you can't, essential penetration is more important in my opinion."

That's when I realized that the room had gone dead quiet.

The bishop's counselors:  
The executive secretary:  
The ward clerk:                [>:/]

That's when I realized that they probably didn't know the context of the "penetration" I was referring to.

They probably all thought I was at that moment.

Meanwhile the bishop looks at their expressions and begins chuckling to himself.

"We're discussing bullet performance," I quickly explained, knowing that I'm turning several shades of red.

"Sure you were," was the response, followed by lots of laughter.

The bishop, thoroughly enjoying the situation, interjects, "we haven't even gotten into muzzle velocity yet."

Then I was laughing while several of the others turned red.

Sure is nice having such a great bishop.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:08:28 AM EDT
Our assistant pastor admitted to us all last Sunday that he almost lost his wife and kids years ago because he had a severe pRon addiction.

I told my wife that I would no way shake his hand on the way out. She was not amused.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:18:27 AM EDT
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:27:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 9:27:38 AM EDT by Shane333]
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:27:26 AM EDT
When I still went to church it was a normal Sunday after church occurance to go shooting at the Pastor's house.  Much fun to be had and great fellowship with people, getting all sorts of new converts to the hobby
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:35:39 AM EDT
Our church always had the announcement in the bulletin that there will be a kids movie in the basement and an adult movie in the sanctuary.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:37:49 AM EDT
You need to blurt out the "thrusts per squeeze" line!
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:41:59 AM EDT
What church are you in that uses Bishops?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:47:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mister44:
What church are you in that uses Bishops?




LDS
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:47:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mister44:
What church are you in that uses Bishops?


Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

This thread isn't for proselytizing, though.  Just figured the forum would appreciate an experience like that.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:50:28 AM EDT
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!






Scott
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:51:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.


He would use his "Power of Discernment" to see who was carrying.






Scott
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:53:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaxPhd:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.


He would use his "Power of Discernment" to see who was carrying.






Scott


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:53:51 AM EDT
LOL Shane.

Years ago I was a Ward Clerk and would drag myself into the weekly 6AM PEC meetings (after getting back into town from my Sat night band gigs about 4:30 or so). I don't remember such saucy banter. But then again... I don't remember much at all considering I hadn't slept at all.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:58:09 AM EDT
LDS, aka, Mormon

The congregations is referred to as a Ward. The Wards are set up by geographic area. Several Wards make up a Stake. The Bishop is in charge of his Ward. He has two councilors. There are no paid clergy in the LDS Church. The Bishop is selected from the congregation by the Stake Presidency after careful consideration and much prayer.

just little as to the LDS church organization.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:58:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By TaxPhd:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.


He would use his "Power of Discernment" to see who was carrying.






Scott




Shane,

I'm really glad you took that in the tongue-in-cheek manner in which it was intended.



Scott
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:59:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By Mister44:
What church are you in that uses Bishops?


Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

This thread isn't for proselytizing, though.  Just figured the forum would appreciate an experience like that.


Great story, glad you weren't afraid to put it in GD.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:01:24 AM EDT
Well, with the economic hard times alot of the members of my ward have needed some assistance from the church, myself included.

I was chatting with my bishop about things and we started talking about the riots in LA over prop 8, food storage, and general unrest.

Told him that I could see a time where we'd need to provide armed security around the church and perhaps the neighborhood. He told me that I'd be the first person he'd call. hehe. Now that would be a cool calling at church.... Show up to Sunday meetings with my AR and my Scriptures.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:02:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaxPhd:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.


He would use his "Power of Discernment" to see who was carrying.




Scott



Mine has either yet to "discern" the .44 Special inside my waistband, or he's OK with it.   At least a couple of us carry in my Ward, and it creates no problems.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:03:14 AM EDT
I was getting real confused...I didn't know of any married Bishops.  Thanks for clearing it up.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:04:22 AM EDT
Shane333,

does he work for action target?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:05:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Collin:
I was getting real confused...I didn't know of any married Bishops.  Thanks for clearing it up.


In the LDS church you have to be married to be the Bishop.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:17:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nwmanitou:

Told him that I could see a time where we'd need to provide armed security around the church and perhaps the neighborhood. He told me that I'd be the first person he'd call. hehe. Now that would be a cool calling at church.... Show up to Sunday meetings with my AR and my Scriptures.



Me likely this possible future Ward calling. Might have to get more active than I've been for a while.

Hmmm... what tie goes best with my tac vest?

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:22:20 AM EDT
Has anyone read "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:23:54 AM EDT
DPX ammo for the win!
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:29:13 AM EDT
A thick overcoat can make a 380 ineffective.  You did good, I wish he could have talked to you beforehand
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:47:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nwmanitou:
Shane333,

does he work for action target?


Actually, yes.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:17:51 AM EDT
Hehe, just went through their contact page. Didn't know Stilwell was there. Very cool.

Man, I've been wanting to buy some of their targets. Actually I'd love to buy a truckload of them then rent them out on the west side of the lake.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:22:03 AM EDT
when I lived in Idaho the most well armed man amongst many well armed folks was a Bishop that I got to be friends with.


Spent many afternoons blowing up rock chucks with him
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:22:14 AM EDT
That's funny right there.  I DO NOT miss being my ward's ES.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:23:42 AM EDT
I have a friend who carries his 1911 in a scripture cover to church.  People wonder why he never will read from his scriptures at church[>:/].  He just gives some excuse about his scriptures being to powerfull for most people to handle.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:30:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By butch1911:
I have a friend who carries his 1911 in a scripture cover to church.  People wonder why he never will read from his scriptures at church[>:/].  He just gives some excuse about his scriptures being to powerfull for most people to handle.




Some people aren't prepared for the "Gospel of John Moses Browning."

Come to think of it, in Utah people have no excuse for not being intimately familiar with the works of JMB.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:32:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gibby:
That's funny right there.  I DO NOT miss being my ward's ES.




Can't say I miss those early morning meetings either.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:38:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By akethan:
Our assistant pastor admitted to us all last Sunday that he almost lost his wife and kids years ago because he had a severe pRon addiction.

I told my wife that I would no way shake his hand on the way out. She was not amused.


"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:43:35 AM EDT
I helped my pastor pick out his first AK years back.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:57:18 AM EDT
LOL!
(I need to be more active)
Hessian-1
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:00:52 PM EDT
Not too long ago I was helping set up the annual Church golf tourney and our assignment was to get the beer to the Church so we could get it in coolers the night before.  My buddy and I were happily dragging cases out of the car and were going to cut through the conference room to the kitchen in the back.  We opened the door and there was a meeting going on.  We apologized and waved, not thinking anything of it, and offered a couple of the guys there a cold one as we passed through.  Standard stuff, just being friendly…


Come to find out that was the AA meeting…
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:11:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
Not too long ago I was helping set up the annual Church golf tourney and our assignment was to get the beer to the Church so we could get it in coolers the night before.  My buddy and I were happily dragging cases out of the car and were going to cut through the conference room to the kitchen in the back.  We opened the door and there was a meeting going on.  We apologized and waved, not thinking anything of it, and offered a couple of the guys there a cold one as we passed through.  Standard stuff, just being friendly…


Come to find out that was the AA meeting…




Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:43:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
[snip]

Come to find out that was the AA meeting…



Oh man! LOL!!!

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:50:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 12:50:26 PM EDT by Red_Label]
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Come to think of it, in Utah people have no excuse for not being intimately familiar with the works of JMB.



Agreed Shane. You need to get the Area President on-board with that. Should be taught at all preisthood levels to every young man and father.

JMB = angel sent down to give us "heavenly tools".
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:06:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Label:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Come to think of it, in Utah people have no excuse for not being intimately familiar with the works of JMB.



Agreed Shane. You need to get the Area President on-board with that. Should be taught at all preisthood levels to every young man and father.

JMB = angel sent down to give us "heavenly tools".


At our last Emergency Preparedness Fair we had a booth on firearm safety and storage...with real firearms including some nice 1911's.  Not exactly what you suggested but a good start.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 1:11:04 PM EDT by cyclone]
Sounds like a "green light" to me


Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:13:15 PM EDT
I love the firearms culture here.

Although I did have a little confusion over certain LDS terminology when I was told to meet up with a friend by the "Stake house", I drove all over looking for a "Steak house".   Needless to say my LDS friend had to educate me on that one while I scolded and asked him how he would like it if I called my church "Dennys".
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:17:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Sounds like a "green light" to me


Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By danno-in-michigan:
You penetration might be enhanced if your barrel was longer.  

Must be nice to be able to discuss such things in church.  


Our bishop works for a company that makes gun range equipment.  I was once talking with him about our Church's policy of no firearm carry to church meetings (exempting law enforcement) and the bishop's response was, "That's an interesting policy, isn't it.  If a person is concealed carrying how would the policy be enforced?"  He then deliberately left me to ponder that question.




Maybe.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:35:43 PM EDT
it hasn't come up yet, but my Bishop is a Army Vet. and the head nurse of a local hospital... he just called me to Deacons advisor and Asst. Scoutmaster... i carry the G20 or G21 to church every time, like i said, we haven't talked about it, but we both kinda know that each of us are carrying.

I would also like the "Meetinghouse Security" calling in my ward.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:14:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AJSully421:


I would also like the "Meetinghouse Security" calling in my ward.


Unfortunately, with the church it always seems like the guys who want a calling don't get it, and the ones that don't, DO get them. That's a good thing in terms of the "power" positions like Bishop, Stake President, etc. But with my luck I'd probably get called to kitchen duty and asked to "loan" my arsenal to some bean-counter with no firearms background for his new security detail calling.

Before we split, my ex got called to be the ward food storage specialist. The bishop had been impressed with our food storage room and preps. Problem was, that was all built, done, and driven by me. I'm not bitter about it, but I did kind of have to chuckle about it. She did conceive of the idea of me building that room I guess. She did that much.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:30:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By Mister44:
What church are you in that uses Bishops?


Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

This thread isn't for proselytizing, though.  Just figured the forum would appreciate an experience like that.


I should have guessed looking at your state. Yeah I know that isn't the point of the story, but I was curious as I hadn't heard of anyone but Catholics and I think the Orthodox churches using Bishops.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:36:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By Red_Label:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Come to think of it, in Utah people have no excuse for not being intimately familiar with the works of JMB.



Agreed Shane. You need to get the Area President on-board with that. Should be taught at all preisthood levels to every young man and father.

JMB = angel sent down to give us "heavenly tools".


At our last Emergency Preparedness Fair we had a booth on firearm safety and storage...with real firearms including some nice 1911's.  Not exactly what you suggested but a good start.


For all of you Utahn's, you if you haven't already done so, you owe yourself a trip to the Browning museum in Ogden.  It's not huge, but it has a lot of fun stuff to see.



Scott
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:38:01 PM EDT
My wife wants to go to Salt Lake City on vacation sometime in the near future........how far is Ogden? I might make a side trip


Originally Posted By TaxPhd:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By Red_Label:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Come to think of it, in Utah people have no excuse for not being intimately familiar with the works of JMB.



Agreed Shane. You need to get the Area President on-board with that. Should be taught at all preisthood levels to every young man and father.

JMB = angel sent down to give us "heavenly tools".


At our last Emergency Preparedness Fair we had a booth on firearm safety and storage...with real firearms including some nice 1911's.  Not exactly what you suggested but a good start.


For all of you Utahn's, you if you haven't already done so, you owe yourself a trip to the Browning museum in Ogden.  It's not huge, but it has a lot of fun stuff to see.



Scott


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:51:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:57:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
A thick overcoat can make a 380 ineffective.  You did good, I wish he could have talked to you beforehand


Must be a heck of an overcoat considering a .380 will penetrate a 2x4 easily.
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