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Posted: 7/30/2001 10:37:43 AM EST
i just finished reading "Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand for the secons time. I was prompted by reading site that indicated it was going to be a movie. "Woohoo" I thought!!. But the director said, "..I'm not interested in the politics, it is a great love story and full of action..." Well, I thought "whatever" and then just wanted to read it again. Amazing work!! Anyhow. Have you read it, what did you think?
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 10:58:18 AM EST
zazou, What site did you read that on? I've read many books that were later made into movies and everyone of them disappointed me to some degree. Once I've read a book I've already seen the movie in my mind and the theatrical version just isn't the same. Besides, if it takes you a few hours (days?) to read a book, how can someone do it justice in a movie 2 to 2 1/2 hours long? BTW, Atlas Shrugged is a great book. It's a long one, over 1000 pages if I recall. I just might have to read it again sometime. At least John Galt's speech when he took over the airwaves. Great stuff. Who is John Galt?
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 11:04:44 AM EST
I found this on the Ayn Rand Institute website. [url]http://www.aynrand.org/[/url]
ARI is aware that TNT plans to produce a dramatization of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged for television. ARI is not involved in any way with the project, and we do not have any information about the details of the production. The Estate of Ayn Rand sold the rights for the dramatization years ago to another buyer, and has no legal control of any kind over the production. Ayn Rand often stated that the value of any dramatization of Atlas Shrugged, given the state of Hollywood today, would be not its quality as art or philosophy, but its power to call attention to the book. If and when a dramatization airs, ARI and the Estate of Ayn Rand will work closely with the publisher of the book to maximize the visibility, availability, and sales of Atlas Shrugged. ARI views the potential for increased sales of Atlas Shrugged to be the important aspect of the project.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 11:05:25 AM EST
That Ayn Rand sure is selfish.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 11:07:08 AM EST
I remember reading this book about 7 years ago, but I honestly think I was too young to grasp all of the concepts of it. After just finishing "Starship Troopers" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein, it reminded me of the three readings by Rand I did years ago, and how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT these two individuals are. I think I'll go pick up "The Fountainhead" again and see which author, both very compelling and extremely intellegent in the political science genre, expresses their viewpoint better. It'll be tough though, as Rand was always tough reading for me, but I'm starting to like Heinlein and his 'easy-listening', if you will, style of writing. Nevertheless, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't compare and constrast, so back to Ms. Objectionist. [brown]Evil Jewbroni~ 10 post left[/brown]
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 12:14:22 PM EST
Atlas "shrugged" and so do I. I've heard an interview with Ayn, and she made ALOT of good points, with many key insights that would solve many of our problems today. But for my money, she starts from the position that God does not exist. AS such, any final conclusions she comes up with are likely flawed, and definately suspect. Truth can be found in many sources. Ayn is one, but like every other human, she has her problems. She's dead now, and aware of all the false assumptions she made. Just one man's opinion....
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 12:44:01 PM EST
Whereas I believe that who proceeds from the equally unwarrented assumption that god exists must necessarily arrive at equally flawed conclusions. Just another man's opinion.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 12:44:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: AS such, any final conclusions she comes up with are likely flawed, and definately suspect.
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Of course. The same logic should be applied by strangers to anything I say because I have long hair. They haven't even begun to learn my feelings on god and religion, if they did they should surely discount anything that I say.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 12:51:03 PM EST
I'm 2/3 of the way through the book. My main opinion is that Ayn needed to learn to self-edit. Sure, the characters are interesting, even though some may be one-dimensional. But she seems to take pleasure in beating dead horses. If dagny taggert is so great, how come it takes her so freaking long to come around??? I mean, please, we get it already!!!! Wrap this puppy up!
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 1:21:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: But for my money, she starts from the position that God does not exist. AS such, any final conclusions she comes up with are likely flawed, and definitely suspect. Truth can be found in many sources. Ayn is one, but like every other human, she has her problems. She's dead now, and aware of all the false assumptions she made. Just one man's opinion....
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yes, perhaps. The underlying point she makes has nothing to do with God or religion. She clearly points out that that is irrelevant. I happen to think that much organized religion is counter to the teachings of Christ. I wrestled with this one and found that nothing in her theories in any way contradicts the word of God. In fact it strengthens the Word. The Devil is in the details (compromise, governments and false deeds). It stuck me that keeping the earth, being true to your own self and morals is the greatest of tributes to Him. Mind you I choose not to belong to a religion because of those flaws. My relationship with God {sic} is too important to waste on organizations for deceit and self interest at my expense. Zaz
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 1:32:10 PM EST
One of the funniest editorial comments I ever read was in "Reason" magazine. The author was commentiong on some government program, and wrote that "they are like the children in [u]Atlas Shrugged[/u] -- they don't exist." I enjoy Rand's philosophy in a general sense, but that one comment really drove home to me just how polarized her statements are -- something either is or isn't, there are no gray areas. It sounds like this director is going to do the same thing to his movie version that the idiot who directed the "Starship Troopers" movie did to that one -- "screw the ideas in the book, let's show Reardon, Taggart, and Galt in a threesome!" What a shame. I'm sure Rand would strike him down with a bolt of lightning if she could.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 5:56:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 7:28:08 PM EST
I would advise everyone to read it. I think it is more meaningful today than when it was written. Sweep, You are so right about Microsoft. Companies who couldn't compete "hired" politicians to take down Microsoft instead of trying to build a better mousetrap.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 8:55:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By SS109: You are so right about Microsoft. Companies who couldn't compete "hired" politicians to take down Microsoft instead of trying to build a better mousetrap.
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I'm not so sure. MS kind of steamrolls other companies in order to secure their own market share and dominance rather than produce something truly extraordinary or suceed solely on the merit of their product. Gates is more of an Orren Boyle without government lackeys. He just bulldozes them himself. .02 Zaz
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 9:08:00 PM EST
I've always considered Atlas Shrugged the worst book you HAVE to read. About a third of it could have been edited without losing much. They made a movie of The Fountainhead which I watched in the middle of the night on some channel. Wasn't too bad actually. BTW- I liked Verhoven's Starship Troopers. I see it and the book as separate entities. The book was interesting political philosophy and the movie was campy fun. No sense hating it because of what it "might" have been. Then again, if the F up Blackhawk Down I'll be pissed.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 9:21:32 PM EST
Anthem is a good, quick read.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:49:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By critter_FR: Anthem is a good, quick read.
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In college, I was forced to take a Political "Science" class to fill out my leftist-liberal-arts course requirement. The prof was a typical socialist. He really hated my comparing [u]Anthem[/u] to Plato's [u]Republic[/u]. But they really are quite similar, IMHO -- Rand's is just the reality of what Plato's "antlike communism" (Heinlein's description of it) would be like. Another good, similar, dystopia is [u]We[/u] by Yevgeny Zamyatin. Achmed says checkitout.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 3:26:34 AM EST
A great book - however Rand herself failed to completely live up to her own ideal. Her critiques of music and other aspects of culture showed pure narrow-mindedness and bitterenss that had nothing to do with "reason." Her relationshion with Nathaniel Brandon was almost comical in the conceit she showed. Let me stress though, that that my no means indicates such an ideal as she presented is wrong to believe in and strive for - just that when she started passing herself off as such a person it was a bit too much. Interesting how the power problems in California today remind me of the sign from the book (trying not to spoil) that it was time for the "strikers" to return to the world - amazing prescience to know that liberal BS could lead to exactly such blatant problems, eventually. I still would love to get my hands on a pack of cigarettes with dollar signs on them. The knowing look in the eyes of those who "get" it would be great. I can picture someone saying, "where'd you get these!" and me just shrugging my shoulders and saying, "who's John Galt?" One last note, the sub "story within a story: about the auto manufacturing plant should be required reading for high school students. No anecdote I have ever read better illustrates the underlying flaws of communist theory. "Animal Farm" and others I had to read in school illustrated how Communism was bad becuase the corrupt people were in power. Rand's story clearly shows that the philosophy itself is the true evil. Wow - getting late - need to log off and go home. White
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 6:22:36 AM EST
I enjoyed the book to the point that it took me a near month to read it. Went back over chapters, paragraphs, then ended up rereading it a month later. That was 25 years ago. Still looking for green rails and the announcement of a pirate on BBC.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 11:13:58 AM EST
Verbose and Turgid. But so is "War and Peace" and it's a classic as well. The biggest problem with a movie is that I would have to be a minimum 5 part miniseries. D.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 11:29:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 11:36:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter: Actually, I think a miniseries is exactly what they are doing... lets see how bad they botch it.
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Given Hollyweird's attention to truth and accuracy, I'm figuring she comes off as pro-Commie. Heck, they usually botch it SOOOO bad, they'll probably make her look like a abortion clinic picketing Baptist Bible-thumper, solely for the purpose of discrediting her ideas.
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Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:49:37 PM EST
To me Ayn Rand seems like a polar opposite of Karl Marx. What is important about her books is not her, but the idea of a free economy without beaurcratic oversight. Capitalism should not be judged by its supporters, but by its philosophy and how it functions. same thing for socialism. i would'nt need men like Hitler and Stalin to know that Socialism is bad. its a flawed idea to begin with. Capitalism is'nt perfect because of the human element, but it is the only system that provides for its participants and allows free will. captialist pig lib
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 5:45:46 PM EST
I've been trying to finish off this book for 3 months now. Once I got to the "speech" part progress stopped for a month... I finally started skipping pages. Maybe I'll be able to stand it better in old age.... But one thing's fur sure--I'll never view phrases like "social good" the same way again. I've always felt a little guilty about poo-pooing causes that claimed to support the "social good", but this book gives plenty of reason to dismiss them for what they are: socialist BS.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 6:15:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: Atlas "shrugged" and so do I. She's dead now, and aware of all the false assumptions she made.
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Beautiful, simply beautiful[smoke]
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 6:59:18 PM EST
Read " Unintended Concequences " It is not as long winded and more about common everday folk . Much better reading for me anyway . Atlas Shrugged put me to sleep at least once .
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 7:14:33 PM EST
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The casting should be interesting..let's see: Julia Roberts as Dagny Taggert Alec Baldwin as Reardon Antonio Banderas as d'Anconia Well, you get the picture anyway. It'll make me just whoop someone's ass. I'll guarantee ya.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 7:17:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:56:29 AM EST
I changed my mind..Sharon Stone would make a better Dagny Taggert than Julia. My first choice would be Jane Fonda but she looks like a leather handbag now...you never know what they can do with computers nowadays though!!!! And if anyone thinks I'm serious I'll whoop your ass!
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:37:41 AM EST
Quite the book, for those who are reading challanged I would sugjest "Animal Farm" by George Orwell
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:41:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Originally Posted By garandman: She's dead now, and aware of all the false assumptions she made.
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At least you assume so......
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Well, like I said at the end of my post that you quoted "Just one man's opinion..." Oh, you omitted that part of the quote. [}:D]
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 10:03:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/1/2001 10:00:27 AM EST by satcong]
Ayn Rand once commented, [b]"not about the murder of man’s body, but about the murder—and rebirth—of man’s spirit."[/b] It is the story of a man—the novel’s hero—who says that he will stop the motor of the world, and does. The deterioration of the U.S. accelerates as the story progresses.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 10:09:24 AM EST
I've read the Fountainhead & enjoyed that. The movie with Gary Cooper was kind of campy. I've never taken the time to sit down & slog through Atlas Shrugge though. Any Kafka readers out there ?
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 10:54:00 AM EST
"Atlas Shrugged is a celebration of life and happiness. Justice is unrelenting. Creative individuals and undeviating purpose and rationality achieve joy and fulfillment." - Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Chairman and Ayn Rand groupie
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