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Posted: 3/12/2005 5:48:13 AM EDT
Just heard on the news that the suspect from the Atlanta shooting is suspected in the death of a customs agent in atlanta too.

I guess the question I have is, Has this guy picked himself up an MP5 or other weapons from that customs officer? what's the normal weapons load of the customs agent?

discuss

Chris
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:50:00 AM EDT
It's the rapist shooter no doubt
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:50:48 AM EDT
Interesting.

I'm beginning to think this guy is really pissed off. Bet the media won't label him an "angry black male" though.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:50:53 AM EDT
It's too early to make any conclusion unless the guy calls and said he did it.
I'm sure the ballistics test will be rushed to try and confirm.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:59:03 AM EDT
I will say this, if its the rapist he is cunning and efficient. I figured he was in Mexico by now.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:04:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 6:04:30 AM EDT by rkbar15]
Posted on Sat, Mar. 12, 2005

Police: Customs agent killed as manhunt continues

BILL POOVEY

Associated Press

ATLANTA - Police searching for a man suspected of a courthouse triple-slaying on Friday say a U.S. customs agent was discovered shot and killed in north Atlanta on Saturday morning.

Fulton County Police deputy Chief G.D. Miles said customs agents found one of their colleagues shot to death at about 8:30 a.m. Saturday morning near Lennox Road in north Atlanta.

The discovery comes as a massive manhunt continues for Brian Nichols, 33, who is suspected of shooting and killing the judge in his rape case and two others on Friday.

Stiles said the agent's blue pickup truck, semi-automatic pistol, badge and possibly his identification were stolen.

The incident occurred in the same general area where Nichols used to live.

"We dont' know if this is the same suspect," Stiles said. "Whoever is driving this pickup truck is a cop killer."

The pickup bears the Georgia tag number APG 6121, Miles said.

www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/11120193.htm
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:06:00 AM EDT
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:11:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



One can only hope. I did see some FBI agents on one of the news programs yesterday so I think they were involved even before this customs agent was killed. We still don't know if this has anything to do with the courthouse killings, but it is pretty damn coincidental.

Nichols needs to be put down, and fast.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:12:53 AM EDT
And this is all an example of the liberal position that only POLICE need guns!!, RIGHT, Russ
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:13:59 AM EDT
Feds got involved as soon as he pulled the trigger on a Fed Judge
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:15:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:17:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 6:18:02 AM EDT by bvmjethead]
It was a State Judge IIRC..........

Georgia has "Supreme" Court Judges in the State level courts.....

Either way I see no difference between killing a judge and killing a bum on the street, a human being is a human being.

The punishment should be exactly the same.

YMMV

ETA:

I'll bet this "angry black male" doesn't make back into any more courtrooms.........
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:17:33 AM EDT
I just hope he doesn't run into taxman and his fort. The badguy won't have a chance.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:19:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



You believe the only competent LEO's are Feds? Wow--that level of misperception is truly amazing.



When did I say that? Quit jumping to unfounded conclusions. It does appear that the locals are lacking in this case though.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:20:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 6:21:46 AM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:22:03 AM EDT
This animal's rampage should (but probably won't) give pause to all those who criticized what Mark Wilson did in Texas some days ago.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:22:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



You believe the only competent LEO's are Feds? Wow--that level of misperception is truly amazing.



When did I say that? Quit jumping to unfounded conclusions. It does appear that the locals are lacking in this case though.



Um, there's a different way to interpret the red part?



Um, yes.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:27:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



repo man// "agent rodgers, they're getting away". "it's all part of the plan"//repo man
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:52:40 AM EDT
Updated story.

March 12, 2005, 9:25AM

Dead agent may be linked to courthouse shooting

Defendant's plot to use makeshift weapons took an even more violent turn, police say


By ELIOTT C. McLAUGHLIN
Associated Press


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• Judges say killings in two other cities reaffirm fears
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Associated Press

ATLANTA — Police searching for a man suspected in a courthouse triple slaying said a U.S. Customs agent was discovered shot to death in north Atlanta today, and his blue pickup truck, pistol and badge were missing.

Officials were trying to determine if the slaying was related to the courthouse rampage Friday. The body was found in the area where suspect Brian Nichols used to live.

"We don't know if this is the same suspect," Fulton County Police deputy Chief G.D. Stiles said. "Whoever is driving this pickup truck is a cop killer."

Nichols, 33, was suspected of killing a judge and two other people at a downtown courthouse Friday, then stealing a reporter's car. He apparently never took the reporter's green Honda Accord from the parking garage where he stole it and attempted more hijackings afterward, police said.

Atlanta police spokesman John Quigley said early today that authorities were reviewing surveillance tapes "to see what leads we can develop from that." One of those tapes came from CNN security cameras in the parking garage where the carjacking took place.

The photos show a black man resembling Nichols donning a jacket that CNN said belonged to Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter Don O'Briant.

Nichols beat O'Briant and demanded his car after fleeing the courthouse, where he fatally shot a judge, a court reporter and deputy sheriff with a gun he stole from another deputy sheriff, Cynthia Hall. She remained in critical condition today.

Video, courtesy of the Associated Press, requires the free RealPlayer.

O'Briant wrote in today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he had just parked his car when a young man pulled beside him and asked for directions to a nearby mall. Before O'Briant could oblige, the man pulled a gun and said, "Give me your keys or I'll kill you," then told him to get in the trunk.

O'Briant refused and started to run.

"I figured it was better to be shot at while I was running than to just stand there and be executed," O'Briant wrote.

The man pistol-whipped him as he tried to escape. O'Briant fell, but got up and ran again.

"I scrambled into the street, waiting for the shots to come, but they didn't come," he wrote. "I guess it just wasn't my day to die."

Throughout Friday, police said they were looking for the reporter's car, and highway message boards across the state issued descriptions of the vehicle. The report about the car being found came more than 13 hours after the slayings.

Authorities continued to ask for the public's help in finding Nichols early Saturday, and Georgia Bureau of Investigation Director Vernon Keenan said, "We do not know what type of vehicle he is in."

At the state Capitol, just down the street from the site of the shooting, flags flew at half-staff as lawmakers prepared for a rare Saturday session. Legislative leaders had considered canceling their weekend "family day," after the shooting, but decided to go ahead with it.

On Friday, carloads of law enforcement officers in riot gear swarmed the buildings and parking lots surrounding the north Atlanta condominiums where Nichols once lived, residents said.

"I've just kept my doors locked," said James Spice, 18, whose home is around the corner. "I always lock up, but I'm just making sure. My mom called and told me to."

Nichols, a former computer technician, was being escorted to his trial, in its fourth day, when the incident began Friday morning. Nichols was facing a retrial on charges of rape, sodomy, burglary, and false imprisonment, among others, after his earlier trial was declared a mistrial on Monday when jurors voted 8-4 for acquittal.

In the rape case, Nichols was accused of bursting into his ex-girlfriend's home, binding her with duct tape and sexually assaulting her over three days. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said Nichols brought a loaded machine gun into the home and a cooler with food in case he was hungry.

Nichols had been dating the woman for eight years, and she tried to break up with him after he got another woman pregnant, Nichol's attorney, Barry Hazen, told a local television station. Though he is accused of imprisoning the woman and raping her, Hazen said his client claims she invited him over and they had consensual sex.

"My guts tell me he faced a greater chance of conviction in the second trial," Hazen said.

Nichols, who had been jailed since Aug. 23, faced a possible life sentence if convicted of rape, and prosecutor Gayle Abramson said she believes Nichols was certain he would be convicted and was willing to kill to avoid it.

The day before the incident, the judge and prosecutors in Nichols' case requested extra security after investigators found a shank — or homemade knife — in each of Nichols' shoes, Abramson said.

District Attorney Howard did not say what measures were taken to beef up security, but Assistant Police Chief Alan Dreher said no other officers assisted Hall with taking Nichols to court.

Hazen described his client as a "big, strong guy" with a laid-back personality.

"Even the larger deputies I don't think would be any match for Brian Nichols," Hazen said.

More than 100 state troopers and officers from several agencies, including the FBI, were assisting in the search. A reward of $60,000 was being offered for information leading to Nichols' capture.


www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory2/3081034
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:11:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 7:12:22 AM EDT by Gator]

Originally Posted By bvmjethead:
It was a State Judge IIRC..........

Georgia has "Supreme" Court Judges in the State level courts.....

Either way I see no difference between killing a judge and killing a bum on the street, a human being is a human being.

The punishment should be exactly the same.

YMMV

ETA:

I'll bet this "angry black male" doesn't make back into any more courtrooms.........



+1

That said, I still hope they get the dirtbag, just not at the expense of many other civvy homicide cases being ignored now.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:14:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 7:16:17 AM EDT by cyclone]
On the news now the police have surrounded a subdivision, possible hostage situation! Cops think they may have him inside..............
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:16:06 AM EDT
Git some!
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:25:02 AM EDT
Well this just gets more and more interesting
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:27:14 AM EDT
they're saying he is in custody now.

Chris
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:30:48 AM EDT
They have a suspect in custody but may not be Nichols.
BTW - City of Atlanta and Fulton county are two entirely different police depts. Atl police couldn't find two fleas on a dog's butt!
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:31:45 AM EDT
How's the dog?
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:32:37 AM EDT
ATF has confirmed it is him in custody.

Chris
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:34:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



You believe the only competent LEO's are Feds? Wow--that level of misperception is truly amazing.



Feds have him in custody. Told ya. Neener neener.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 7:35:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:09:45 PM EDT
The Feds should house Nicols in his former defense attorny's guest bedroom while awaiting trial. Give him a roll of duct tape too.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:13:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:16:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 1:18:16 PM EDT by Sukebe]

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



You believe the only competent LEO's are Feds? Wow--that level of misperception is truly amazing.



Feds have him in custody. Told ya. Neener neener.



You win.



Locals took him into custody. He was later turned over to the Feds. All the Federal hub bub on T.V. was after the fact. Neener-neener right back at you.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:25:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 1:25:45 PM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:42:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2005 1:44:46 PM EDT by Sukebe]

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By Sukebe:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Since the customs guy was a Fed maybe we can get some competent LE work done now.



You believe the only competent LEO's are Feds? Wow--that level of misperception is truly amazing.



Feds have him in custody. Told ya. Neener neener.



You win.



Locals took him into custody. He was later turned over to the Feds. All the Federal hub bub on T.V. was after the fact. Neener-neener right back at you.



Okay--thanks. I win.

I have never understood the concept of someone being more competent because they work for the federal government, as opposed to any other LE organization. Sukebe, got any insight?



I think it's the mystique of the power of the Federal Govt. along with some peoples trust of and dependancy on the Federal Govt.. That combined with the fact that most federal agencies require a degree before you are considered for employment. I've got college. College does not make a better Cop.
I've worked with agents from several different Federal agencies in the past. The Feds have tremendous resources and the power of the U.S. Department Of Justice behind them. Their ass weighs a ton no doubt. But man for man, our guys are better Cops. Tougher, more street smarts, better investigators. Local Cops simply have more street experience than most Feds..
During the 90's (the Clinton/Reno years coincidently) there was a move to federalize all sorts of crimes that had always been the purview of state and local authorities. There was also a movement to form joint Federal and local task forces. This was simply a way for the Federal agencies to expand their influences and jurisdiction. We refer to it as getting their nose in our tent. They realized that without the cooperation of local agencies, they were blind to the criminal element of the areas that they served. They have huge egos and don't like depending on the locals for information. So they took the two fold strategy of expanding their jursidiction and making us token members of their team.

Don't get me wrong, I've worked with some shit hot Feds.. But for the most part, they ain't all that.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:59:46 PM EDT
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