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Posted: 6/20/2011 6:21:35 AM EST
This was moved from AR discussion to General Discussion but should probably be in NFA. This isnt a Gen Discussion BS question. Id simply like to know the answer please.
I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. |
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You would have to mill out your lower and have a hole put in it for the extra pin.
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There are slightly more parts to it.
Selling the parts is not an issue, strapping the parts on not an issue, the issue is adding the other parts to create a full auto then you have intent and manufacture. |
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I have no idea if it will result in a full auto weapon or not really. But I do think the lower receiver has to be modified to be full auto. Myself, I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10ft pole. If they wanted to nail you they can always claim something like "constructive intent" or some other BS.
I'm sure there will be others along shortly who are experts in this sort of thing to explain the real answers. |
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I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. |
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Nope. Not me. Playing with fire and all that. I enjoy life on this side of the bars. You may feel the need to skirt the edge of the system. That's up to you. However, given the professional abilities of our good friends at the BATF, I wouldn't trust them to come to the same conclusion of where "the edge" is. |
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I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. Not a troll, saw it this weekend at the Reliant High Caliber show. I'm in Texas too, so maybe that's why they are out in the open. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. Ive seen the DPMS FCG+sear kit for m16s at nearly all gunshows around the 75-100 range And the AK parts kits, with the parts needed to build a f/a gun, You would have to throw that into a new receiver though Ypour not looking hard enopugh Im afraid |
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What can be said without advocating breaking the law, hmm? If you want to be a good boy, then simply gain all the knowledge required to build components that you need (be they restricted or standard parts), and own the right machinery to make it all. Then in OMGSHTFBBQBEEFWITHDACHILLI when the rule of law breaks down entirely, you can manufacture such parts and whack them in. Okay, it may not be that easy, I don't have any machining experience or knowledge to know. |
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Thanks for the legit answers guys, that's all I was looking for. Curiosity cured!
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The parts themselves are perfectly legal. A parts kit and a semi auto rifle may be construed as intent. Personally I don't want to test the system.
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Quoted: Quoted: I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. calm down ya grump. I've seen them plenty of time at the High Caliber show at Will Rogers Coliseum. Op, as many others have said, stay far far away from those things. They won't give you everything you need for a full auto weapon, but they can usher in a world of trouble if an agent decides you have intent to construct.
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Has there ever been a prosecution for constructive intent? Or is it a bogeyman like Quicken Trusts, hand loaded self defense ammo, and getting an FFL for a "kitchen table" gun dealing business?
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T\hey are being sold for people who currently own class 3 and need replacement parts in case anything breaks or wears out.
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My M16 parts kit from APEX had all the FCG parts except the disconnector. Funny thing is that it included the auto sear - the one part that is for full auto only/ no semi auto configuration - but they removed the disconnector which can be easily modified to semi auto configuration. I modified the FCG parts to semi configuration, and traded the auto sear for a disconnector. No one kicked in my door and charged me with "constructive intent" or shot my dog.
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Quoted: You would have to mill out your lower and have a hole put in it for the extra pin. IBTL Not if you have an older 'pre-shelf' lower but anything current, yes. |
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"you're a troll"
just means "i don't know, but i wanna boost my post count" which as you can see is the best way to determine the nature of a post! if'n ya don't have anything to say... and yur a post whore (with nothing else to say) and the "grumpy guy" on the block... The FA lowers are there for folks that own NFA to utilize as replacement or rebuild parts. Some folks also believe that "full auto" parts are built tougher i guess. now just get yur post count up good in high, like a few IBTL's or other crap that adds NOTHING to the conversation (something the young'ns here are used to doing) and the sensible people of GD will hold you to their bosom. |
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Nope. To make either an AR or AK full auto, you need a place to put the auto sear. To get that place, you'd have to drill another hole in the lower. And that would be constructing a MG. The parts are just that. Parts. Its what you do with the parts that matters.
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Has there ever been a prosecution for constructive intent? Or is it a bogeyman like Quicken Trusts, hand loaded self defense ammo, and getting an FFL for a "kitchen table" gun dealing business? I'm not sure about actual prosecution, but the BATFE attacked and killed a bunch of people in Waco.... basically accusing them of "constructive intent" |
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This was moved from AR discussion to General Discussion but should probably be in NFA. This isnt a Gen Discussion BS question. Id simply like to know the answer please. I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. 2005 and suicide by mod .....well bye ! |
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This was moved from AR discussion to General Discussion but should probably be in NFA. This isnt a Gen Discussion BS question. Id simply like to know the answer please. I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. 2005 and suicide by mod .....well bye ! How do you figure? He specifically states that he does not own the parts, has no intention of buying, thought it would be cool to have if legal, looking for the knowledge from the guys who know. Don't see the suicide by mod that you are referring to. |
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I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. It's an outfall of another thread today with a link to a blog on this topic of common conversion kits. I.e., trolling. |
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I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. I've been to more gun shows than I could count and I have never seen "full-auto parts kits" sold over the counter for $75 or any other ridiculous amount. I don't believe anything you have posted and can only conclude you are trolling. I have seen the kits the OP is talking about, they are at shows from time to time. There is just NO reason to buy one without already owning the class 3 firearm. To someone with a happy switch they are just like having any other part like most of us have in a box somewhere. Hell if I looked hard enough I bet I could scrap up a lower parts kit with the "extras" I have. I know im not the only one who has boxes of spare parts for the guns they own. |
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reminds me of the dealer I always see at the bigger shows here in NY with the uppers with less than 16in barrels
sure they could be for preban AR pistols but I doubt there are enough preban AR pistols in NY to make it worth a whole table of uppers |
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It's "constructive possession", not constructive intent. Even older low shelf lowers would have to have a lot of the sides of the receiver and part of the shelf milled out for the auto sear to fit. Even without the auto sear if the rest of the auto parts are installed you can get slam fires (hammer following the bolt carrier forward) and multiple shots. Best not to mess with it.
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i think this is the thread you're looking for http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=147440&page=1 |
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The full auto FCG parts are all over the place, I remember when the places selling AK parts kits would include the original FCG parts for free, or sell them for pennies. They're worthless since to make the gun legal you needed a US made FCG to meet the parts count. I've got a frigging shoebox full of them somewhere, unless I threw it out, which is possible. They won't make a semi gun full auto.
The AR "full auto" parts kits are probably no different, they won't make the gun full auto but at least there's no parts count to meet unless it's a Daewoo or other imported AR or AR clone. Personally I think the selling of full auto FCG parts is a gun show scam meant to separate rubes from their money. |
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Never seen one at a show in Alabama. I would not touch a $75 auto conversion kit with a 100 foot pole.
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This was moved from AR discussion to General Discussion but should probably be in NFA. This isnt a Gen Discussion BS question. Id simply like to know the answer please. I always see at least one vendor selling full auto lower parts kits (AR and AK). Usually in the $75 dollar range. Would I be correct in my thinking that adding one of these to an Ar lower along with a full auto bolt carrier would result in a full auto weapon? Now I know you have to go class 3 to be legal with this stuff. Also, what are the legal ramifications of owing these parts in their un-assembled forms if they aren't registered? I haven't bought any of these pieces, but just the fact that they are openly sold with no checks is why I'm asking the question. And it would be cool to have them if TEOTWAWKI ever comes along. Again, I dont own any of these pieces, just asking questions!!! Thanks for the feedback. 2005 and suicide by mod .....well bye ! How do you figure? He specifically states that he does not own the parts, has no intention of buying, thought it would be cool to have if legal, looking for the knowledge from the guys who know. Don't see the suicide by mod that you are referring to. Marmike600, thanks for clarifying for everyone that didn't understand my question for what it is, a question. My curiosity on the subject has been satisfied, and that's all it was, curiosity. Thanks again to all of the posters that actually answered my question. |
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