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Posted: 3/19/2013 5:11:37 AM EDT
I knew we are a Republic (because of the Pledge of Allegiance) but when the fuck did we become a democracy? I just learned the difference
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:14:05 AM EDT
8th grade US History FTMFW !!
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:15:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:15:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
8th grade US History FTMFW !!


Yeah I kind of skipped class a lot
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:16:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spyider:
Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
8th grade US History FTMFW !!


Yeah I kind of skipped class a lot


If you're from my generation you didn't skip, they just didn't allow it.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:18:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2013 5:19:05 AM EDT by Recusance]
<------not a political science major (or minor) but isn't a republic the type of democracy that America is?

We vote (democracy) for our political leaders, but the way that we allow the vote is the republic side of democracy.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:18:23 AM EDT
Many people are confused because of our democratic elections.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:24:07 AM EDT
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."

a republic and a democracy are complete opposites

a republic has a constitution with distributed power and checks and balances, and recognizes the rights of the individual

a democracy is simply mob rule
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:27:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."

a republic and a democracy are complete opposites

a republic has a constitution with distributed power and checks and balances, and recognizes the rights of the individual

a democracy is simply mob rule


Sadly we no longer have that.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:38:22 AM EDT
Don't fall for the arfcom hive mind bullshit.

Its correct to say we are a republican democracy. Its equally correct to say we are a democratic republic.


It is also correct to say the U.S. is a liberal democracy.... :P


Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:40:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:42:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
Don't fall for the arfcom hive mind bullshit.

Its correct to say we are a republican democracy. Its equally correct to say we are a democratic republic.


It is also correct to say the U.S. is a liberal democracy.... :P



I'd like to think that we're a constitutional republic.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:54:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By OKSoda:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."

a republic and a democracy are complete opposites

a republic has a constitution with distributed power and checks and balances, and recognizes the rights of the individual

a democracy is simply mob rule


Sadly we no longer have that.


Yeah, no shit...
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:55:59 AM EDT
The labels don't mean anything anymore
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 5:57:05 AM EDT
Well...we're not SUPPOSED to be a democracy...but we're getting pretty damned close to one.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:33:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2013 6:33:36 AM EDT by proto_moose]
Originally Posted By Bushylover:

Originally Posted By Dino:
Don't fall for the arfcom hive mind bullshit.

Its correct to say we are a republican democracy. Its equally correct to say we are a democratic republic.


It is also correct to say the U.S. is a liberal democracy.... :P



I'd like to think that we're a constitutional republic.


This.
ETA: By design, but unfortunately not always in practice.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:36:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dino:
Don't fall for the arfcom hive mind bullshit.

Its correct to say we are a republican democracy. Its equally correct to say we are a democratic republic.


It is also correct to say the U.S. is a liberal democracy.... :P




except that we don't have any form of democracy

a republic and democracy are opposites

Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:37:34 AM EDT
representative democracy.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:39:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OKSoda:
Originally Posted By Spyider:
Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
8th grade US History FTMFW !!


Yeah I kind of skipped class a lot


If you're from my generation you didn't skip, they just didn't allow it.

We got an hour's worth of detention if we skipped a class .....skip the detention , a day's suspension from school . Not that many skips then compared to what happens now
I hated school , couldnt stand many of the classes , but history always interested me to the point where Id actually pay attention and pass the exams.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:46:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spyider:
I knew we are a Republic (because of the Pledge of Allegiance) but when the fuck did we become a democracy? I just learned the difference


US Representative have always been elected by the citizens to represent them in Congress.
Once upon a time, US Senators were chosen by the State to represent the State in Congress.
That changed 100 years ago when the 17th amendment was ratified. Since that change the US can properly be called a democracy. Not coincidently, since that time the US Government has expanded beyond the limits set forth in the Constitution.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 6:47:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2013 6:51:01 AM EDT by rfox]
Glad you posted this because I've been posting it for years. The only thing in our country that still resembles a true republic is our judicial system. And by that I mean the trial by jury aspect of it.

In a true republic, the rule is by the people. This means that everything is brought before the people and the decision must be unanimous in order for it to pass. This involves compromise and teamwork. In the end, if someone is getting screwed then the law doesn't pass.

In a democracy the rule is by the majority of the people. Things are brought to vote and if you can get 51% of the vote then the other 49% percent get screwed and the law passes. This involves NO compromise and NO teamwork - just a majority vote.

The Old Republican party held to the beliefs of a true republic and wanted to CONSERVE it, hence a conservative. Then the Democratic Republic party came along and promised that a democracy was the same thing only it would LIBERATE us from the constraints of the unanimous decision, hence liberals.

People like free shit and that is what the liberals promise. It is easy to win over a majority when you promise free shit. So the liberals will eventually give away so much free shit that at least 51% will always vote for them.

The only thing in the USA that still clings to the old republic is our trial by jury, which requires a unanimous decision to convict. But we're getting rid of that shit as well. Can anyone say indefinite detention!
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 7:00:35 AM EDT
tag for interest.

Link Posted: 3/19/2013 7:09:02 AM EDT

seriously guys, this is not complicated, just google it

a lot of stuff being written into this thread is flat wrong or imaginary
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 8:58:05 AM EDT
In the beginning there were no parties and this country was a republic. The the democratic republican party came along and eventually became today's democratic party.

Republicans slowly slid towards center while democrats slid further towards communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States



In January 1776, just as it became clear in the colonies that the king was not inclined to act as a conciliator, Thomas Paine's pamphlet Common Sense was published.[21] Paine, who had only recently arrived in the colonies from England, argued in favor of colonial independence, advocating republicanism as an alternative to monarchy and hereditary rule.[22] Common Sense introduced no new ideas,[23] and probably had little direct effect on Congress's thinking about independence; its importance was in stimulating public debate on a topic that few had previously dared to openly discuss.[24] Public support for separation from Great Britain steadily increased after the publication of Paine's enormously popular pamphlet.[25]
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