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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:30:33 PM EST
This article is the second in a six-part series about the drug war and police reform. Read Part 1 here.

OGDEN, Utah -- Former Sheriff William "Dub" Lawrence has watched with dismay as America's war on drugs has escalated, and SWAT teams have become more aggressive, more militarized, and less focused on resolving disputes peacefully.

In 1975, Lawrence started what would become the Davis County, Utah, SWAT team. The elite tactical units were coming into vogue across the country at the time, after they were introduced in Los Angeles in the 1960s, following the Watts riots and a number of mass shooting incidents.

Lawrence was choosy about who he put on the SWAT team. "You have to pick guys who have the right mentality, the right temperament, and who show good judgment," he says. "I finally found four guys I could trust, and we went about training them."

In September 2008, however, he watched helplessly as the same SWAT team he helped create over 30 years earlier shot and killed Brian Wood, his 36-year-old son-in-law.

Wood had a history of psychological problems, and he had barricaded himself in his truck with a gun following a domestic dispute. After a 12-hour standoff with police, the SWAT team moved in and shot Wood eight times with a stun gun before finally shooting him as he lay on the ground, an outcome Lawrence criticizes as an overreaction.

"I told my family, I said, 'These guys are well-trained. You can trust them to talk him down,'" Lawrence recalls. "I then had to explain to my daughter why this team I helped create -- had just told her to trust -- had just killed her husband."

Lawrence got his start in policing in 1971. He'd just served two years in the Marines, had recently married, and was attending Brigham Young University, when a neighbor -- who also happened to be the police chief in the town of Bountiful -- told him about an opening in his department and encouraged him to apply. Lawrence did, got the job, and switched his focus from business classes to justice administration.

Lawrence says his tenure as sheriff didn't win him many friends. In addition to the SWAT team, he established a paramedic unit within the police department, which didn't sit well with the fire department. Lawrence also disbanded the police department's anti-narcotics unit, which he says took up too many resources and placed too high a priority on drug enforcement.

He also made a number of high-profile arrests of public officials (including the superintendent of the highway patrol at the time, who was arrested on a DWI charge) and refused to let them off.

Lawrence says that his philosophy -- that the law applies equally to everyone -- is the reason he only served for one term. Ultimately, he says, he had made too many enemies, and he lost his bid for reelection in 1978.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/25/utah-police-reform_n_4150625.html?1382700580
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How would you like to be the guy who started the SWAT team that years later kills your son-in-law? - TS
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:34:31 PM EST
Was the use of force reasonable?

What does the drug war have to do with an armed psychotic suspect?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:45:29 PM EST
Sounds like he pissed off enough people that perhaps there was something behind killing his son in law besides going home safe. Not necessarily murder, but perhaps a lack of normal care.

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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:49:59 PM EST
Pissed off his crazy son in law (who dinnet do nuffin) was shot by swat so now they are bad guys.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:51:04 PM EST
Not really drug related, but this one was.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:51:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:53:02 PM EST

What does this have to do with you fascination with the "War on Drugs"???

The dude was a loon and got shot by police.

Are you sure this article fits your agenda?



John
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:55:27 PM EST
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Was the use of force reasonable?

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Indescriminate hut huts running amok
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:56:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
This article is the second in a six-part series about the drug war and police reform. Read Part 1 here.

OGDEN, Utah -- Former Sheriff William "Dub" Lawrence has watched with dismay as America's war on drugs has escalated, and SWAT teams have become more aggressive, more militarized, and less focused on resolving disputes peacefully.

In 1975, Lawrence started what would become the Davis County, Utah, SWAT team. The elite tactical units were coming into vogue across the country at the time, after they were introduced in Los Angeles in the 1960s, following the Watts riots and a number of mass shooting incidents.

Lawrence was choosy about who he put on the SWAT team. "You have to pick guys who have the right mentality, the right temperament, and who show good judgment," he says. "I finally found four guys I could trust, and we went about training them."

In September 2008, however, he watched helplessly as the same SWAT team he helped create over 30 years earlier shot and killed Brian Wood, his 36-year-old son-in-law.

Wood had a history of psychological problems, and he had barricaded himself in his truck with a gun following a domestic dispute. After a 12-hour standoff with police, the SWAT team moved in and shot Wood eight times with a stun gun before finally shooting him as he lay on the ground, an outcome Lawrence criticizes as an overreaction.

"I told my family, I said, 'These guys are well-trained. You can trust them to talk him down,'" Lawrence recalls. "I then had to explain to my daughter why this team I helped create -- had just told her to trust -- had just killed her husband."

Lawrence got his start in policing in 1971. He'd just served two years in the Marines, had recently married, and was attending Brigham Young University, when a neighbor -- who also happened to be the police chief in the town of Bountiful -- told him about an opening in his department and encouraged him to apply. Lawrence did, got the job, and switched his focus from business classes to justice administration.

Lawrence says his tenure as sheriff didn't win him many friends. In addition to the SWAT team, he established a paramedic unit within the police department, which didn't sit well with the fire department. Lawrence also disbanded the police department's anti-narcotics unit, which he says took up too many resources and placed too high a priority on drug enforcement.

He also made a number of high-profile arrests of public officials (including the superintendent of the highway patrol at the time, who was arrested on a DWI charge) and refused to let them off.

Lawrence says that his philosophy -- that the law applies equally to everyone -- is the reason he only served for one term. Ultimately, he says, he had made too many enemies, and he lost his bid for reelection in 1978.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/25/utah-police-reform_n_4150625.html?1382700580
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Eventually they'll all start feeling it when another couple of generations of powered up JBTs have gone by and they stop caring about who's a "retired cop".
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:56:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:

What does this have to do with you fascination with the "War on Drugs"???

The dude was a loon and got shot by police.

Are you sure this article fits your agenda?



John
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The war on drugs and gun free zones are the main justifications for their continued existence and proliferation. Perhaps he does not like the drug war because of its collateral damage.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:58:47 PM EST
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I'd been wondering if you'd forgotten your job in these threads.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 12:20:32 PM EST
This kinda shit is wholly unnecessary.

So, let's see . . . we could use normal procedure and MAYBE a suspect or two would have time to flush their dope - or, whatever.

Or, we could just smash our way in and shoot anybody we see!

Hey! I like number 2! We get to have lots'a fun and do some blastin' too! Fuckin' A right! Let's go!


Fuckin' A sickening is what it is.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 12:25:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDP:
Was the use of force reasonable?

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Do you seriously need someone to draw the connection between where SWAT programs have gone in the last 30 years thanks to the war on drugs?

I mean, it isn't that difficult to connect the dots.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 1:58:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

I'd been wondering if you'd forgotten your job in these threads.
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

I'd been wondering if you'd forgotten your job in these threads.

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:00:28 PM EST
Nice try. The quota for anti-cop troll threads has been met for the day.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:04:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DevilPig:

Nice try. The quota for anti-cop troll threads has been met for the day.
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Well, sure, if by "the day" you mean four days ago.

Detective, right?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:06:19 PM EST
As police fired tear gas and set off flash grenades, Woods fired a shot and an officer returned fire, killing him, Hansen said.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:09:55 PM EST
Balko-like typing detected.

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:16:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

Well, sure, if by "the day" you mean four days ago.

Detective, right?
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:

Nice try. The quota for anti-cop troll threads has been met for the day.

Well, sure, if by "the day" you mean four days ago.

Detective, right?


Super assistant Captain Chief Admiral
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:20:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wingnutx:

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That's two.


Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:23:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDP:
Was the use of force reasonable?

What does the drug war have to do with an armed psychotic suspect?
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Yeah, sounds like the swat team did him and society a favor by taking out his psycho wife beating son in law
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:53:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 3:05:01 PM EST
article needs to use the term "armed agents" more often, it's a crowd favorite, gets 'em riled up
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 3:09:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By R2point0:
Sounds like he pissed off enough people that perhaps there was something behind killing his son in law besides going home safe. Not necessarily murder, but perhaps a lack of normal care.

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Yes, i am sure that the disbanding of the narcotics unit by a one term Sheriff who lost his job in 1978 caused a hit to be placed on his mentally deranged son in law 30 years later. Thats it.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 3:14:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By poisontree:
Pissed off his crazy son in law (who dinnet do nuffin) was shot by swat so now they are bad guys.
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Yep, took them killing a family member for him to realize the problem. He wouldn't be saying shit if it was anyone else and would still support the team. I just looked in my box of fucks to give, must have run out.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 3:40:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDP:
Was the use of force reasonable?

What does the drug war have to do with an armed psychotic suspect?
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A "history of psychological problems" can mean anything from mild depression and anxiety to involuntary inpatient admission. We should also bear in mind the mentality of so many LE agencies: that the agency's authoritah allows them to cross the line, especially if they can assign blame to a medical issue.

I would be surprised if the victim had any real psychotic issues. More likely, the gross overuse of force will be excused (by SWAT) as simply necessary given the deranged nature of the mad beast they faced down.
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