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Posted: 9/8/2005 11:27:19 PM EDT
Found this BS here--->www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4706881#4706922

Why the hell can't bussiness owners higher people to protect their property and bussiness? People are allowed to protect themselves with guns. Dont they have any idea of what is going on in N.O.? I dont understand how people can be so stupid. I think Blackwater is a great, they offer protection why all the misconceptions about them?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:30:02 PM EDT
Stay away from that place. it rots your brains.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:31:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Quien:
Stay away from that place. it rots your brains.




Ya, makes you look like Quiens avatar.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:34:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 11:35:30 PM EDT by Mauser101]
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Good job with the redirect. You are the internet guru.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:36:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Quien:
Stay away from that place. it rots your brains.



Yea but it makes you so mad, you just wanna grab them and beat them t
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:36:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 11:37:44 PM EDT by JB69]

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
DO NOT HOTLINK TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. KILL THAT HOTLINK



IT'S NOT A HOTLINK PUT DOWN THE PIPE

LOOK at the link, before ya flip the script It's to a proxy redirect page.


ETA, Dammit, you typed too fast, and ruined my fun !

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:45:16 PM EDT
Protection of private property goes
against the "Communist Manifesto"...

myit
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:45:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 11:46:14 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By JB69:

ETA, Dammit, you typed too fast, and ruined my fun !




Neener.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:30:40 AM EDT
The problem isn't that Blackwater is down there and armed.

The problem is that people are being FORCIBLY removed from their homes and disarmed.

If you want to leave you should be able to take ALL of your property with you. Thieves are gonna steal ALL you leave behind. Nobody should be forced to abandon all they own in this world and there is no reason for the authorities to strip them of property.

You should be allowed to stay. If you have supplies there is no reason to forcibly remove you. If you don't you should still be allowed to stay. If Harry Truman and his cats were allowed to stay on Mt. St. Helens before it blew its top people should be allowed to stay in NO. If your decision gets you and all your cats killed then it was a bad decision.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:09:05 PM EDT
They're just mad because Communism/Socialism can never generate enough wealth to buy the best.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:10:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
The problem isn't that Blackwater is down there and armed.

The problem is that people are being FORCIBLY removed from their homes and disarmed.

If you want to leave you should be able to take ALL of your property with you. Thieves are gonna steal ALL you leave behind. Nobody should be forced to abandon all they own in this world and there is no reason for the authorities to strip them of property.

You should be allowed to stay. If you have supplies there is no reason to forcibly remove you. If you don't you should still be allowed to stay. If Harry Truman and his cats were allowed to stay on Mt. St. Helens before it blew its top people should be allowed to stay in NO. If your decision gets you and all your cats killed then it was a bad decision.



But Blackwater has nothing to do with the evacuations right? I dont see why people are against bussiness and property owners highering BW to protect them.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:14:18 PM EDT
It must be a real shame that the utility companies and other firms restoring the infrastructure can't be protected from the animals trying to hold on to the chaos.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:23:36 PM EDT
Whats a shame is that they go though and disarm a private citizen on their private property, protecting their family, issue a mandate saying that no one except LE/Gov can have firearms then allow these guys to keep theirs because they are gaurding the big names with the big money. Yet a citizen cant have theirs to gaurd their family.

Everyone must get out because its toxic Blahhhhh Blahhhh... These guys can stay because they're gaurding Wal Mart, who exports everything out of country and screws people anyway.

Its a sad day when people get everything taken from them, and someone complains about people gaurding the wealth!
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:29:29 PM EDT
Democrat and Ignorant are synonymous.

Democrat and Tyrant are synonymous.

Democrat and Liberal are synonymous.

Democrats are not democratic, they rule by the elite manipulating the crowds. Through glamor or demonizing.
Democrates do not believe in freedom, but socialism/communism/tyranny. Through welfare and whimsical law.
Democrates do not believe in liberty, they believe in license. You have the right to do nothing, but what they grant, you may do to the extreme.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:29:48 PM EDT
JPFO ALERT: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH,
DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY!

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police
officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in
preparation for a forced evacuation of the last
holdouts..."

It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_.
But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law
enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned
firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process,
without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners
utterly defenseless and at the mercy of looters and thugs.

According to an article in the New York Times
(http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P.
Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans
will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they
possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed
to have weapons," he said.

(Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will
not be confiscating the weapons of private security
personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to
afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection).

Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such
confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major
catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly,
neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the
confiscations.

Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant
about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual
rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be
granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if
the government demands that they give up their guns, it's
only natural that they should comply. Police officers and
soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either
equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply
don't care_ about following unconstitutional orders.

We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of
Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows
ALL of its rights _and insists those rights be respected_ ,
the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get
worse.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 4:44:59 PM EDT
Blackwater is there assisting in SAR and are offering other services as well. The DU idiots cry about anything and everthing, and they don't have a clue.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:18:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
Why the hell can't bussiness owners higher people to protect their property and bussiness? People are allowed to protect themselves with guns. Dont they have any idea of what is going on in N.O.? I dont understand how people can be so stupid. I think Blackwater is a great, they offer protection why all the misconceptions about them?



Dude, did you know that DU was rooting for the looters and they were appalled by governor Barbour when he made dire warnings not to loot in his state? It upsets them that the "rich elite" who own stores would defend their property against opportunistic thieves.

Did you also know that DU and some jerks at a leftist blog didn't give a shit when those Blackwater guys were strung up and mutilated in Fallujah last year? They said they deserved it, because they were profiting from war.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 7:34:37 PM EDT by FN-TPS]
A couple of weeks ago. There was a great hulabalou here on AR15.com, over a thread entitled "Police developing into military units. Recipe for disaster?"

I'll not link to it. Since tempers flared on both sides of the argument and the thread was eventualy consigned to the Bear Pit.

I mention this thread. Simply because it is an prime example of the fact, that the majority of ARFcom'ers seem to see every Constitutional slippery slope tward totalitarianism, but seem blind to that slippery slope, when it involves glamorous contractors with state of the art weaponry we all hold so dear.

An even better question than "Police developing into military units. Recipe for disaster?" would be "Contractors developing into interstate police, without Constitutional checks and balances. Recipe for Disaster?".

Everybody with a copy of the Federalist Papers on this sight. Constantly warns us of the Dangers of the abuse of Police Powers by the JBT's...yet seem willing to ignore corperate private armies taking on those those same Police Powers.

Blackwater and the other Paramilitary Security firms are violating the laws of a sovereign state of the union and the spirit of the Constitution laid down in the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment makes no Special Provision for one class of citizens to be disarmed, while anouther class of corperate mercenaries are allowed to not only remain armed, but to be in effect, granted law enforcement powers regarding the keeping of, transport of, and use of firearms, above and beyond the Security Guard powers laid down by the state in which they are operating.

Allowing the Contractors to use and carry weapons in an area where all other citizens are being disarmed. The disregarding of Laws regarding to Security Guards pointing, brandishing or transporting weapons and the abandonment of most basic tenants of the constitutional protections of probable cause, related to search and seizure, as they apply to security officers who are non sworn law enforcement officers...Can only lead one to the conclusion that Corperate Contractors are being granted Police Powers.

You all seem pretty high on Blackwater...But What happens when the Next Major Disater occures in this country and the Company contracted in, is some British outfit who hires their contractors from god knows where in the third world and who don't really give a damn About your Second Amendment rights.

For all of you who have ever worried about the U.N. Blue Helmets, coming to take your guns away and herd you into government welfare camps. Let me ask you a simple question...What if it's not the Blue Helmets at all...What if it's Corprate foriegn mercenaries hired out of some oversea's contracting firm and called Security Guards...Sent for your protection and disarming during the state of emergency.

What happens when some Billionaire, who gave millions to the Kerry Campaign in the last election, decideds to import his own private army in the wake of a disaster calling it corperate security and doing his Patriotic duty for America, in time of emergency. How would you feel about Contractors working for George Soros, patroling your streets with full auto m-16's and the power to stop, search and disarm you at will.

Here lies the slippery slope of allowing the establishment of precenent. In granting special police like powers to corperate entities inside the United States.

Do you really want some Contractor. Who works for a liberal cable news network, empowered to point an M-4 at you and run you off of an AMERICAN street, because you might pose a danger to an elite CNN reporter?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FN-TPS:
A couple of weeks ago. There was a great hulabalou here on AR15.com, over a thread entitled "Police developing into military units. Recipe for disaster?"

.............................<snip>....................

Do you really want some Contractor. Who works for a liberal cable news network, empowered to point an M-4 at you and run you off of an AMERICAN street, because you might pose a danger to an elite CNN reporter?



Well said, FN-TPS. Blackwater is basically a private, mercenary army. It should not be allowed to run a business, have "troops" on US soil, or any form of training camps on US soil. That they are allowed to operate unchecked in this country is foolhardy.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:58:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 8:08:11 PM EDT by FN-TPS]
Dance

It should not be allowed to run a business

Snip

or any form of training camps on US soil



I disagree with those two statements.

Blackwater can and should be able to train all the Security Guards they want, but inside the U.S. they should have to comply with all the laws of the state or jursidiction in which they operate.

It is the granting of Special Police like powers to Contractors. Above and beyond the rights of ordinary citizens, which I find to be the Slippery Slope.

This is not a DU argument...It is an argument based on all the Constitutional principle of the equality of everyone's second amendment rights.

We have no need in this country of a class of "Armed Special Protectors" of the Elite Airistocracy, with paramilitary and law enforcement powers beyond those provided by the Second Amendment to the ordinary citizen.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:22:01 PM EDT
Greta Van Susteren is not Marie Antoinette and does not require a retinue of mercenary soldiers to scatter the peasants from the streets at the passing of her coach.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:32:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
The problem isn't that Blackwater is down there and armed.

The problem is that people are being FORCIBLY removed from their homes and disarmed.

If you want to leave you should be able to take ALL of your property with you. Thieves are gonna steal ALL you leave behind. Nobody should be forced to abandon all they own in this world and there is no reason for the authorities to strip them of property.

You should be allowed to stay. If you have supplies there is no reason to forcibly remove you. If you don't you should still be allowed to stay. If Harry Truman and his cats were allowed to stay on Mt. St. Helens before it blew its top people should be allowed to stay in NO. If your decision gets you and all your cats killed then it was a bad decision.



But Blackwater has nothing to do with the evacuations right? I dont see why people are against bussiness and property owners highering BW to protect them.



To the best of my knowledge they are not involved in the evacuations only in security.

Also (according to FOX) nobody has been forcibly removed in NO and only the police have the authority to do so. Again, according to FOX, even the police have NOT forcibly removed anyone.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:37:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 8:39:09 PM EDT by FLAL1A]
The problem with BW in NO is that the idiot communist jackoffs running NO, and the JBTs they've borrowed from other jurisdictions, are enforcing arms confiscation only against people protecting their own property. If you can pay BW to guard your house trailer, your trailer will have an armed guard; if you can't hire BW and must do it yourself, some jacked up badge-wearing piece of shit from out of state will knock you down and take your guns.

If private citizens are being disarmed, the BW guys should be disarmed, and their guns thrown in the same armory (read: POV trunk) as Joe Citizen's.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:48:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 8:50:45 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]
I did not think that DU thread was bad better than 95% of them there they basiclly feel the same as us
Citizens from there are being disarmed but contractors from where ever can keep theirs

Then again just buy all your clothes from Royal Robbins and they wil not be able to tell you are not a contractor
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:34:06 PM EDT
Poor people = Guns confiscated

Contractors = Guns allowed

So what?

Contactors = Armed Retainers of the Rich

Its the first step to a Class system based on force. And all of us get to be the serfs. Me no likey that.

I know a lot of people on this board admire Blackwater personnel.

That's okay for Baghdad, but NOT New Orleans.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:47:44 PM EDT

You all seem pretty high on Blackwater...But What happens when the Next Major Disater occures in this country and the Company contracted in, is some British outfit who hires their contractors from god knows where in the third world and who don't really give a damn About your Second Amendment rights.


You need to do some research fast, my friend. I work for a British security firm, but I wouldnt call my country 'third world'. Well, maybe some parts

I saw this thread and stayed out of it, but comments like that fall right into my mandate. Its not British companies you have to worry about guys. Ask the boys who work in the Sandbox, myself included, and you will find some quick answers about who the problems come from...and guess what - it aint the Brit companies! Or the South African, or Australian.....

By the way, I think you'll see pics from the media of a big old Puma theyre using for aero medevac. Their aviation asets are awesome. But, with them now working on the streets of the US, I could imagine where the problems are coming in. If they conduct themselves with the same attitude in New Orleans as they have in Baghdad, then they will create more problems than they solve.

Some of you guys here have a special talent for making shitty comments about your allies. Think about that next time you get hit.....please.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:49:04 PM EDT
Security Guards can effect a citizen's arrest that's it. They can also defend themselves and others to the extent the law allows. I'm sure the BW guys in NO are not toting SAWs and Predator armor, rolling around in FAVs. Private armies?!? Guys, some of you really need to unwrap the tinfoil. Companies I'm sure want to protect their property, much like banks, malls etc do, all have security guards. Security companies also have different levels/tiers of guards. Blackwater's tier one guys are former meateaters, and hang out in Iraq. If Wackenhut sent security guards to NO (which I'm sure they are) we wouldn't be seeing this media-induced hysteria. The media says something like "Blackwater USA, know best for the former commandos it uses in Iraq, today sent 100 guards to NO on a security contract. The media's intention is for you to see bazooka weilding gorillas stomping on little ol' grannies. It isn't so.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:53:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Quien:
Security Guards can effect a citizen's arrest that's it. They can also defend themselves and others to the extent the law allows. I'm sure the BW guys in NO are not toting SAWs and Predator armor, rolling around in FAVs. Private armies?!? Guys, some of you really need to unwrap the tinfoil. Companies I'm sure want to protect their property, much like banks, malls etc do, all have security guards. Security companies also have different levels/tiers of guards. Blackwater's tier one guys are former meateaters, and hang out in Iraq. If Wackenhut sent security guards to NO (which I'm sure they are) we wouldn't be seeing this media-induced hysteria. The media says something like "Blackwater USA, know best for the former commandos it uses in Iraq, today sent 100 guards to NO on a security contract. The media's intention is for you to see bazooka weilding gorillas stomping on little ol' grannies. It isn't so.



Nice post. Any comment on the fact that if your neighbor has BW mounting armed patrols in front of his house, they'll stay in place; while if you and your family mount armed patrols on your place, your guns will be seized?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:21:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
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But Blackwater has nothing to do with the evacuations right? I dont see why people are against bussiness and property owners highering BW to protect them.



You gotta understand -- most of the people at DU are against the concept of people OWNING property...period.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:27:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
Found this BS here--->www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4706881#4706922

Why the hell can't bussiness owners higher people to protect their property and bussiness? People are allowed to protect themselves with guns. Dont they have any idea of what is going on in N.O.? I dont understand how people can be so stupid. I think Blackwater is a great, they offer protection why all the misconceptions about them?




You were expecting >>RATIONAL, INTELLIGENT, AND EDUCATED<< thought from the DUmp? How many of them knew what blackwater was 3 days ago?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 3:52:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
The problem isn't that Blackwater is down there and armed.

The problem is that people are being FORCIBLY removed from their homes and disarmed.




+1

The way I see it if people cannot remain in their own homes, and are having their lawfuly possessed firearms confiscated, then unlicensed security guards who dont even hold LA guard cards certainly should not be carrying.

Homeowners are bad, but unlicensed rent a cops working for corporations are good?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 5:58:59 AM EDT
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