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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:44:22 PM EDT
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Holy shit
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:44:48 PM EDT
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ETA: Amendments change what the original constitution says. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:45:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:45:11 PM EDT
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But Zaminsky!!
"Shall NOT be infringed!!" Yeah, what's the back log for Form 1/Form 4 approvals because so many people are building or buying NFA items?? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:45:59 PM EDT
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wait, wait, before you start let me get a couple beers and a bag of pretzels...........this might be a good one.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:00 PM EDT
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Prepare to be loved tenderly.
Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:11 PM EDT
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Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:23 PM EDT
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:41 PM EDT
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Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. BULLSHIT. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:46 PM EDT
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Niners... |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:00 PM EDT
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I'm going to assume that you aren't retarded, and that you must be out for an evening troll.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; Unless you source your firearm from 100% intrastate commerce (which is possible), it is a product of interstate commerce and falls under the above citation. According to common sense, commerce has an end point.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:08 PM EDT
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you. Probably not. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:36 PM EDT
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you. I'll drink to that. 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:51 PM EDT
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BULLSHIT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. BULLSHIT. You think the feds are ignorant of the fact that many CLEO will not sign off on it? They know it and want it. Why do you think they are presumably going to make changes to how they accept trusts? ETA: I R bad Engrish |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:48:18 PM EDT
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Another Z thread.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:48:33 PM EDT
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What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:48:36 PM EDT
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According to common sense, commerce has an end point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; Unless you source your firearm from 100% intrastate commerce (which is possible), it is a product of interstate commerce and falls under the above citation. According to common sense, commerce has an end point. When the item in question no longer has any value as it was originally intended. Example: A functioning M16 no longer has any value when it is demilled per BATFE regulations. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:48:40 PM EDT
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Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:49:16 PM EDT
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I don't know how anyone deals with you.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:49:33 PM EDT
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If my lawsuits have "no chance" of succeeding, why is everyone so worried?
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:49:49 PM EDT
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The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other.
Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:49:54 PM EDT
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Are you a masochist for GD dog piling or what?
You are going to get loved tenderly. 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:49:55 PM EDT
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you. I'll drink to that. http://i.imgur.com/NQiN5HN.gif I'd hit the slopes with you. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:50:02 PM EDT
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Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent. It's a living, breathing document. 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:50:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know how anyone deals with you. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BULLSHIT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. BULLSHIT. actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:50:27 PM EDT
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What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts... I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:50:40 PM EDT
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That is the STUPIDEST assertion I have ever heard. People buying into that bullshit is how the gov has gotten away with it for so long.
The Commerce clause was intended to prevent something like Massachusetts from embargoing or levying duties on goods (of any sort) made in, say, Pennsylvania. Or to use your example, from embargoing Kentucky Long Rifles. That's the full extent of the authority of the fucking commerce clause |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:51:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts... I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:51:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. Not sure if serious? One certainly precedes the other chronologically. Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:51:51 PM EDT
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*click*
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:51:54 PM EDT
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Holy shit people, don't feed the troll.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:03 PM EDT
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ETA: Amendments change what the original constitution says. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:04 PM EDT
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The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other. Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular. Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:18 PM EDT
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OP, the feds have been using the commerce clause to control everything forever. Defining what constitutes a "bad or special" weapon is not in there, now gtfo with that shit.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:22 PM EDT
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Really? Then why was the tax of 200.00 when originally set in 1934 equivalent to roughly one months pay? Not the cost, just the tax. Inflation has actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. BULLSHIT. actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today. How much does a stand alone single family house cost? Can everybody have a house? NO?!?! OMG!!! 
We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!! |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if serious? One certainly precedes the other chronologically. Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. Not sure if serious? One certainly precedes the other chronologically. Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:53:01 PM EDT
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It's a living, breathing document. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent. It's a living, breathing document.   
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:53:11 PM EDT
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The Interstate Commerce Clause is the most perverted and abused part of the entire document.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:53:21 PM EDT
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Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other. Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular. Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up. Progressives perverting the constitution? No way! 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:53:43 PM EDT
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In 1790, purchasing a rifle from the 'smith on the other end of town would not have been called "interstate commerce" by any reasonable person.
Today, it's construed as "the steel in the tools that were used to carve the stock could possibly have originated from iron ore from another state, so INTERSTATE COMMERCE BITCHES!" The current interpretation of the commerce clause is a naked and shameless power grab, and I'm disappointed that I don't hear current SCOTUS judges challenging it.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:03 PM EDT
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It's a living, breathing document. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent. It's a living, breathing document. Let's be reasonable. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:07 PM EDT
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IBTL
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much does a stand alone single family house cost? Can everybody have a house? NO?!?! OMG!!! We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Prepare to be loved tenderly. Also.. 2A>your clause. They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms. BULLSHIT. actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today. How much does a stand alone single family house cost? Can everybody have a house? NO?!?! OMG!!! We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!! |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:26 PM EDT
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Progressives perverting the constitution? No way! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other. Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular. Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up. Progressives perverting the constitution? No way! Hard to believe, but what can I say. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:26 PM EDT
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WHAT THE MOTHER-FUCKING FUCK ?????????????????????????????????
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:44 PM EDT
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Go buy a FA SCAR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts... I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan... |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:54:58 PM EDT
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I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts... I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? What if we all want one? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts... I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork. I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW). Never had a problem gettting ANY of them. WHERE is the infringement?? Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan... |
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