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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:43:26 PM EST

The Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
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Unless you source your firearm from 100% intrastate commerce (which is possible), it is a product of interstate commerce and falls under the above citation.

If you cannot legally obtain an NFA item due to state or local issues, that is a not a problem with the NFA, it's a problem with you choosing to live where you do.

The problem, is gun enthusiasts generally have an entitlement mentality.

Can't get a CLEO sign off? That is NOT problem with the NFA or the BATFE. It's a problem that YOU chose poorly with regard to your habitation.

"Muh rights!"

"Muh family!"

"Muh job!"


Yeah, those things are all important, in varying degrees to varying people.

HOWEVER, many people have made the effort to pick up and move to locations that are more favorable for the practice of their 2A rights.
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Holy shit
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ETA: Amendments change what the original constitution says.
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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:45:11 PM EST
But Zaminsky!!

"Shall NOT be infringed!!"

Yeah, what's the back log for Form 1/Form 4 approvals because so many people are building or buying NFA items??
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:45:59 PM EST
wait, wait, before you start let me get a couple beers and a bag of pretzels...........this might be a good one.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:46:00 PM EST
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:46:11 PM EST
Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:46:23 PM EST
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.
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BULLSHIT.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:46:46 PM EST

Niners...
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:47:00 PM EST
I'm going to assume that you aren't retarded, and that you must be out for an evening troll.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:47:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:

The Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
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Unless you source your firearm from 100% intrastate commerce (which is possible), it is a product of interstate commerce and falls under the above citation.

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According to common sense, commerce has an end point.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you.
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Probably not.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you.
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I'll drink to that.

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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


BULLSHIT.
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.


BULLSHIT.


You think the feds are ignorant of the fact that many CLEO will not sign off on it?

They know it and want it. Why do you think they are presumably going to make changes to how they accept trusts?

ETA: I R bad Engrish
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:48:18 PM EST
Another Z thread.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:48:33 PM EST
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...
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Originally Posted By RedHotChiliPepper:

According to common sense, commerce has an end point.
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Originally Posted By RedHotChiliPepper:
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:

The Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;


Unless you source your firearm from 100% intrastate commerce (which is possible), it is a product of interstate commerce and falls under the above citation.


According to common sense, commerce has an end point.


When the item in question no longer has any value as it was originally intended.

Example: A functioning M16 no longer has any value when it is demilled per BATFE regulations.
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Originally Posted By 103:
Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
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Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:49:16 PM EST
I don't know how anyone deals with you.
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The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other.

Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular.
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Are you a masochist for GD dog piling or what?

You are going to get loved tenderly.

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Originally Posted By Lothbrok:

I'll drink to that.

http://i.imgur.com/NQiN5HN.gif
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't enjoy hanging out with you.

I'll drink to that.

http://i.imgur.com/NQiN5HN.gif

I'd hit the slopes with you.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By 103:
Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent.

It's a living, breathing document.
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Originally Posted By Cavscouty:
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They don't, hence working parking lot security.
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


BULLSHIT.
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.


BULLSHIT.
Really? Then why was the tax of 200.00 when originally set in 1934 equivalent to roughly one months pay? Not the cost, just the tax. Inflation has

actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today.
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Originally Posted By Beach:
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...
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I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:50:40 PM EST
That is the STUPIDEST assertion I have ever heard. People buying into that bullshit is how the gov has gotten away with it for so long.

The Commerce clause was intended to prevent something like Massachusetts from embargoing or levying duties on goods (of any sort) made in, say, Pennsylvania. Or to use your example, from embargoing Kentucky Long Rifles. That's the full extent of the authority of the fucking commerce clause
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By Beach:
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
Go buy a FA SCAR.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.
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Not sure if serious?

One certainly precedes the other chronologically.
Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:51:51 PM EST
*click*
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Holy shit people, don't feed the troll.
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Originally Posted By TescoVee:
ETA: Amendments change what the original constitution says.
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Originally Posted By ContrarianIndicator:
The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other.

Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular.
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Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up.
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OP, the feds have been using the commerce clause to control everything forever. Defining what constitutes a "bad or special" weapon is not in there, now gtfo with that shit.
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Originally Posted By Formergrunt94:
Really? Then why was the tax of 200.00 when originally set in 1934 equivalent to roughly one months pay? Not the cost, just the tax. Inflation has

actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today.
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Originally Posted By Formergrunt94:
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.


BULLSHIT.
Really? Then why was the tax of 200.00 when originally set in 1934 equivalent to roughly one months pay? Not the cost, just the tax. Inflation has

actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today.


How much does a stand alone single family house cost?

Can everybody have a house? NO?!?!

OMG!!!

We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!!
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Originally Posted By bdub:

Not sure if serious?

One certainly precedes the other chronologically.
Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document?
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Originally Posted By bdub:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.

Not sure if serious?

One certainly precedes the other chronologically.
Further, how do we way the relative significance of 2 parts of the same document?
Amendments are meant to alter the power of all the previous text.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:

It's a living, breathing document.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By 103:
Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent.

It's a living, breathing document.

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The Interstate Commerce Clause is the most perverted and abused part of the entire document.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By ContrarianIndicator:
The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other.

Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular.

Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up.


Progressives perverting the constitution? No way!
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In 1790, purchasing a rifle from the 'smith on the other end of town would not have been called "interstate commerce" by any reasonable person.

Today, it's construed as "the steel in the tools that were used to carve the stock could possibly have originated from iron ore from another state, so INTERSTATE COMMERCE BITCHES!"

The current interpretation of the commerce clause is a naked and shameless power grab, and I'm disappointed that I don't hear current SCOTUS judges challenging it.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:

It's a living, breathing document.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By 103:
Holy crap. Not what the clause is talking about at all. That said, the Second Amendment, you know, amended all other parts of the Constitution that could be used to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

Yes but you gotta agree that he is thinking like a liberal/progressive/commie/malcontent.

It's a living, breathing document.


Let's be reasonable.
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IBTL
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


How much does a stand alone single family house cost?

Can everybody have a house? NO?!?!

OMG!!!

We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!!
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By Formergrunt94:
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Prepare to be loved tenderly.

Also..

2A>your clause.

They are utilizing the NFA to keep people from owning certain firearms.


BULLSHIT.
Really? Then why was the tax of 200.00 when originally set in 1934 equivalent to roughly one months pay? Not the cost, just the tax. Inflation has

actually helped a little bit, because according to the calculator I used 200.00 in 1934 corresponds to roughly 3400.00 today.


How much does a stand alone single family house cost?

Can everybody have a house? NO?!?!

OMG!!!

We need to rally the Home Owner Enthusiasts!!
If government were to try to set a tax all out of proportion to the relative cost of a house we just might.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


Progressives perverting the constitution? No way!
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By ContrarianIndicator:
The purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent states from enacting trade embargos and tariffs on each other.

Regulate commerce, like a regulated clock—as in to keep it moving. Under the articles of confederation there were all sorts of impediments to trade. The commerce clause fixed that by keeping trade regular.

Yea that argument sure worked in the New Deal Era. Farmers, grain, look it up.


Progressives perverting the constitution? No way!

Hard to believe, but what can I say.
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WHAT THE MOTHER-FUCKING FUCK ?????????????????????????????????
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Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Go buy a FA SCAR.
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Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By Beach:
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
Go buy a FA SCAR.


Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan...
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By Beach:
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??



What if we all want one?
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Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan...
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By Beach:
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does OP not understand? I expect a more intellectual argument from someone with 7k+ posts...


I can go out right now and purchase any type of firearm I can afford (price dictated by market value) plus some paperwork.

I have multiple stamps including Machine Gun, SBR, and supressors (no AOW).

Never had a problem gettting ANY of them.

WHERE is the infringement??
Go buy a FA SCAR.


Ah, the Hughs Amendment that was never actually passed by Congress, but signed into law by President Regan...
It was passed by congress. The final vote is the only one that matters.
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