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Posted: 3/5/2006 6:55:42 PM EDT
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I'm not sure, but he could have been a former Marine turned army.
It might signify the unit he last did combat with. (I forgot which sleeve is which) |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 6:56:56 PM EDT
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pics would be helpful if you could find some
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:00:35 PM EDT
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Most likely he is an Army soldier attached to the Marine unit for operational purposes and as a result being in the Army he would wear the patch of the unit he is attached to (Even if that patch happened to be a marine unit.)
And the Marine Corps just doesnt see the need to put all the unit and orginazational crap all over the uniform. It was blasphemy when we had to finally put nametapes on the utility uniform. The USMC with the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor should have remained sufficient. PS Do a search on the subject in the Archives I believe this subjuct was discussed recently by a Former Marine now in the Army that wanted to know if he would be authorized to wear the 1st Mar Div patch since he was once in it. He could not since he was not in the Army when the patch was authorized. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:00:56 PM EDT
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There have been a few Army units authorized wear of the 1st Mar Div patch for working under them in OIF.
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:02:22 PM EDT
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if you were in an army unit that went into combat under the jurisdiction of the marines, ie 1st brigade 1st id when they went to oif worked under the marines in ramadi, you are authorized to wear that marine division patch on you uniform as a former wartime service patch.
the stupid part of that is that if you went to combat with the marines as a marine and then get otu and join the army you cannot wear the patch, because you were not in the army when you earned it. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:02:59 PM EDT
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Army units that were attatched to the First Marine Divison did a good enough job with the Marines that the Marines requested to the Sec Army that those Army units be allowed to wear the First Marine Division patch as their combat patch. That permission was granted, so they are allowed to wear that patch instead of the one they would normally wear.
I have no idea why the Marines have patches they can't wear, nor why they don't wear patches, but I'm sure they have a reason. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:03:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:03:59 PM EDT
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When I was in the Guard during the late 80's, there was a guy who wore a 1st Marine Airwing "combat patch". He was in the USMC in Vietnam. I had my doubts about it being authorized but it was the NG and back then, they still did things their own way.
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Posted: 3/5/2006 7:14:29 PM EDT
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It was probably the 1st Infantry Division Patch ( The Big Red One )
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Posted: 3/5/2006 10:19:47 PM EDT
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A unit patch on the right sholder of a Army uniform is a "combat" unit patch. The unit patch on the left sholder is his/ her current unit.
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Posted: 3/5/2006 10:22:50 PM EDT
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I'm a former Marine, and if I remember my Corps history correctly, those division patches were never "official" anyway.
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Posted: 3/5/2006 10:25:38 PM EDT
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Soldiers who served with the Marines during the seige of Fallujah are authorized to wear the 1st Marine Division patch... period!
It is NOT the Big Red 1 patch! |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 10:56:33 PM EDT
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 How do you know that the particular soldier the author is talking about is NOT wearing a Big Red 1 patch? Were you there to see THAT particular soldier? The author makes NO statement that says if he knew or didn't know of THAT soldier served with the Marines during the siege of Fallujah, so, there can be no conclusion without knowing more... "PERIOD"...  A piccy will be necessary to finally make this determination. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 11:06:46 PM EDT
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Because the only unit designation that matters is above the left breast pocket on your uniform: U.S. MARINES. Back when I was in, we had USMC stenciled on the pocket with the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor under it. Sorry about the overly emotional tone, but some of us just feel that way. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 11:21:44 PM EDT
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really? has this happened before in the past conflicts?? |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 11:58:08 PM EDT
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My friend was in Ramadi last year with 2ID. He said he was authorized (?) to wear some Marine patch if he wanted to since they worked with them so much. I'm not 100% clear on what he said, but it sounds similar to some of what has been written above.
Btw, I don't think he wears the patch. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:00:47 AM EDT
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This is the first time that the Army has allowed the wear of USMC unit patches. Anyone wearing them before was in violation of AR670-1, the regulation of the wear and appearance of uniforms.
While Marines like to brag that the US Marines tape is all they need, they forget to mention that they are a pretty small force, with only three or four divisions TOTAL, to include their Reserve, while the Army has currently ten Active divisions, a couple separate brigades, and the separate cav regiments, as well as the command, and training units. Plus the reserve and guard units. It does seem sort of dumb that a former Marine can't wear his Marine unit patch as a combat patch if he switches to the Army, but a Soldier that was right next to him in that battle can. But it's because the Marines don't wear patches at all. If the Marines were to wear patches, and "combat patches," I'm certain it would be allowed. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:08:26 AM EDT
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If I was still in the Army and authorized to wear the 1st Marine Div combat patch I would because of the rarity of it. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:40:05 AM EDT
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Probably 15-20 soldiers here in our battalion wear it from previous service.
Most of my company meets the requirement for wearing 3rd Marine Division from this deployment if they felt like asking the USMC to draft the paperwork. I don't think anybody has bothered however. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:58:37 AM EDT
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My former Army Platoon Sergeant in 1989 was a Vietnam Vet, Marine Force Recon and absolutely wore his gold wings and divers helmet insignia on his Army uniform. If memory serves, he was in Vietnam in 1969-1970 and came into the Army in 1973 after flipping burgers didn't cut it for him in the soft civilian life. Good guy, I still remember him to this day.
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Posted: 3/6/2006 1:04:33 AM EDT
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There was a soldier i served with in my first unit that wore
a 1st MARDiv patch on the right. AFAIK it was authorized after DS if you were OPCON to the Marines. Similarly, if a Soldier, say, from 1st ID that is OPCON to say...2nd ID, they have a choice as to which patch to wear. This used to be true when I was in at least, as a number of guys I knew from 8th ID were OPCON to 1st AD, I believe, and they chose to wear 8th ID patches, becasue the unit was stood down right after the war. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 1:12:22 AM EDT
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I know a former Marine ANGLICO who is now a Michigan National Guard Sergeant First Class that does the same thing. I always tell him, "Semper Fi, DOGFACE!". BTW: I have nothing but respect for someone who puts on any US Military uniform: If you don't believe your service is the best, you shouldn't be in it. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 1:20:30 AM EDT
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I didn't even know Marines wore patches...
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Posted: 3/6/2006 4:43:09 AM EDT
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They dont, except avation units. Pilots wear their squadron patches on their flight suits. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 4:57:32 AM EDT
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Correct, but not complete. Pilots, enlisted aircrew, and maintenance personnel all wear squadron patches on our organizational issue uniforms (flight suits and coveralls). It should be emphasized that we do not wear that on our personal uniforms, and to an extent, we are not even allowed to wear those same organizational uniforms away from the flight line. Here is my last squadrons patch (I'm now in a HQ element): 
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:01:52 AM EDT
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Not to hijack, but was HMH-466 originally at MCAS Tustin? I ws there from 89-93 Now back to your regularly scheduled thread. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:04:36 AM EDT
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I've seen other branches wearing Army patches. Mainly Air Force.. and I want to say they were filling some sort of combat operations role, like PJ's attached to a unit or something to that effect.
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:04:40 AM EDT
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"Not to hijack, but was HMH-466 originally at MCAS Tustin? I ws there from 89-93"
Yes, and so was I. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:04:56 AM EDT
[#29]
My unit was authorized to wear the 1st marine division patch. That was before I got here though.
There was a marine on these boards a while back that deployed with the Marines to Iraq, and some time later joined a component of the Army, and was asking if he could wear the 1st marine division patch as his combat patch and discovered that it wasn't authorized. Basically, you cant earn a combat patch as a marine, period. If I end up switching over to the Air Force, I'll be sure to wear my 101st combat patch, as well as my air assault wings. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:06:02 AM EDT
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1st Gulf War - US Air Force Wx personnel wore combat and divisional patches of the US Army units they where assigned to. Don't know if the practice still happens but back in 1991 I confused a lot of Air Force guys walking into the BX w/screaming eagles on both sides of my shoulders and the ever growing assortment of Air Force pacthes on my BDU's. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:15:55 AM EDT
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Here at FOB AR-Ramadi, I see soldiers with the 2nd MarDiv patch all the time. As the 1st MarDiv comes into place, they will be able to wear the 1stMarDiv patch. It is my understanding that the Army authorizes two patches :one for current unit serving (right shoulder) and one for the unit one saw combat with (left shoudler). Since the current batch of soldiers are serving with 2MarDiv (1st MarDiv shortly), they are authorized to wear the patch. (I've a rather nice looking, blonde, female captain (medical corps) sitting next to me who has just explained the whole situation.)
Camp Ramadi is fairly interesting: a 50/50 USMC/ARMY mix. I'm part of a Navy FRSS (surgical) attached to an Army medical company. Good day today: no friendly casualties! 
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Posted: 3/6/2006 7:46:55 AM EDT
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Its still in practice. TACP, weather, whatever assigned to Group, division, whatever is part of the unit and wears the patch. Same goes for combat patches. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 8:48:53 AM EDT
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I think I can speak for the rest of us when I say.... WE WANT PICS! |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 10:22:18 AM EDT
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Correct. Our USAF FACs on the ground in their HMMWVs wore our brigade patch as they were permanently assigned to the Army organisation. There was some dispute over the length of time the Marine patch could be worn. Talking to some of the lads in my battalion who went to Fallujah, they said that the authorisation was theater-specific: i.e. upon return to the US they would have to remove the 1MARDIV patch and replace with an Army one. That doesn't sound right to me though. He may have been the victim of misinformation. Our Bde HQ was very cold on people wearing combat patches for any unit other than the Bde, regardless of who we actually worked for. NTM |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 10:42:49 AM EDT
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Due to the regulation, I had a 1st MarDiv patch sewn into my patrol cap. It got spotted by my platoon sergeant, who spoke with the CO about it and told me to "wear it on your sleeve if you want to, we'll back you up". |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 10:49:50 AM EDT
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Negative. The Marine combat patch (aka Guadalcanal patch or 1st Marine Division patch) that soldiers are wearing is the Marine combat patch originally worn by US Army soldiers who served under Marine command in Guadalcanal in WWII. The patch worn today is that same patch - a diamond with the number "1" (for the 1st Marine Division) in the center, and "Guadalcanal" written vertically down the center of the numeral. There are stars in the field around the star (I forget left or right, been a while since I really looked at one) that I believe signify the four landings performed by the Army under Marine command at Guadalcanal. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 10:57:01 AM EDT
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WRONG, left sholder=current unit- right sholder=combat unit. Now they can be the same patch on both sholders too, if your current unit is the same as your combat unit. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 11:07:02 AM EDT
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Here's the full story: www.gnt.net/~jrube/patch.htm There are 5 stars around it. It's the Southern Cross, an constellation visable from the islands in the Pacific, and elsewhere in the Southern Hemisphere. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 2:31:55 PM EDT
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Ok I found the picture but im not sure how to put it up here. i've never done it before
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Posted: 3/6/2006 2:34:36 PM EDT
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Put the url for the image into the popup that you get when you click on the image button.
The image button looks like a picture of a mountain. |
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