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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:38:35 AM EDT
Wow, I thought generals were usually forced to retire when things like this occur.

Possible life in prison for essentially extra-marital sex.


"WASHINGTON — An Army general will face court-martial on a series of sexual misconduct charges, including forcible sodomy, in connection with several illicit affairs, and could receive life in prison if convicted, the Army said Tuesday.
Included in the allegations against Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair are that he carried on affairs with and mistreated subordinate officers and later tried to impede the investigation of some of the offenses by deleting nude photos and other emails."

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:42:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:56:39 AM EDT
Sounds like a real winner there.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 2:10:37 AM EDT
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 2:10:59 AM EDT
The woman admitted she typically wanted to have sex with the general, though she said that on two occasions in Afghanistan he exposed himself and physically forced her to perform oral sex, even as she sobbed.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 2:15:43 AM EDT
Ahh, no.

This is more than just "extramarital sex."

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 2:54:57 AM EDT
He's overqualified for the CIA Director job.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 3:08:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
He's overqualified for the CIA Director job.


Link Posted: 12/19/2012 3:19:31 AM EDT
I just don't see how guys like this rise all the way to general.

There had to be questionable behavior on his part long before he got promoted so high up.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 3:25:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I just don't see how guys like this rise all the way to general.

There had to be questionable behavior on his part long before he got promoted so high up.


What was his run time?
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 3:32:44 AM EDT
General looks like a real goober.


His wife however, is standing by her man...
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:23:59 PM EDT
Hang 'em high. He knew what the USMJ had to say about it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:40:00 PM EDT
Fuck him. Enlisted men have been sent to the brig for far lessor offenses.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:42:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:45:23 PM EDT



It's that "forcible" word that is going to get him fucked pretty hard.

If it's true, I hope he rots.


Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:45:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By skinny79:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
He's overqualified for the CIA Director job.




Any openings for the NSA top slot?

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:46:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By skinny79:
The woman admitted she typically wanted to have sex with the general, though she said that on two occasions in Afghanistan he exposed himself and physically forced her to perform oral sex, even as she sobbed.



Yep. That one sort of struck me too.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:48:47 PM EDT
Commissioning source?

Was he a classmate with Petraeus at West Point?

Did these allegations surface before or after Benghazi?
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:50:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I just don't see how guys like this rise all the way to general.

There had to be questionable behavior on his part long before he got promoted so high up.


The people grooming him for promotion were doing the same thing. They just didn't get caught.

Same dynamic that was at work in the Catholic Church.

Different spanks for different ranks, and all that .....
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:53:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's not how it works.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:55:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2012 12:55:24 PM EDT by Umbra]
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 12:56:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's not how it works.


That shouldn't be how it works. I have personally seen where bad behavior from superiors is tolerated until it is beneficial to push for charges.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:18:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I just don't see how guys like this rise all the way to general.

There had to be questionable behavior on his part long before he got promoted so high up.


What was his run time?


Inquiring minds want to know!!
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:22:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:26:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2012 1:28:10 PM EDT by JoeCoastie]

Originally Posted By CSM:
He chose, poorly.


First post and all that


What are the words? Insertion, however slight, is enough to constitute the offense.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:59:05 PM EDT


how would this be related?

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:59:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.


Concur.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:03:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.


I don't think so. It's not like it's an unknown thing for a female service
member, or female in general to pull out the "rape" card when it suits
them.

I'm not trying to defend the General. We'll see what comes out in the wash.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:08:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

Originally Posted By CSM:
He chose, poorly.


First post and all that


What are the words? Insertion, however slight, is enough to constitute the offense.


Penetration. Which made for a pretty funny moto shirt I saw on a TOW gunner once

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:25:05 PM EDT

In the lead up to OIF I was working with a couple of Brit officers and one day at lunch the topic of officers disgracing themselves came up. I asked them what they do when a flag officer disgraces themselves. They said they put them in a room with a gun with a single bullet loaded in it, until they do the right thing. Don’t know if it was true, but it sounded really British.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:25:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WinterBorn:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

Originally Posted By CSM:
He chose, poorly.


First post and all that


What are the words? Insertion, however slight, is enough to constitute the offense.


Penetration. Which made for a pretty funny moto shirt I saw on a TOW gunner once


LOL. One of the units I was at we were doing escort missions for the Boomers. First command wanted a unit coin designed. Well, the one that won was "World's premier escort service" I never got one before command caught on and yanked them.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 6:57:48 PM EDT
Nothing like punting on a multimillion dollar career.

If he's guilty, I hope he enjoys being permanent party at Leavenworth.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 7:02:15 PM EDT
"Forcible Sodomy" should be the big clue here
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:37:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
"Forcible Sodomy" should be the big clue here


Obviously not a Dick Driver "Forced Entry" course graduate.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 2:00:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.


Link Posted: 12/20/2012 2:18:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.




To be quite fucking blunt, the women who accuse him have lost their careers because they came forward, as they knew they would. So it's pretty fucking absurd, and shows a complete lack of comprehension of the military's justice system and this case to make a comment like that.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:07:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.




To be quite fucking blunt, the women who accuse him have lost their careers because they came forward, as they knew they would. So it's pretty fucking absurd, and shows a complete lack of comprehension of the military's justice system and this case to make a comment like that.


Can't really evaluate that until the state of her career before the allegations is known. This wouldn't be the first instance of "mutually assured carreer destruction" after a promotion pass-over or judicial action.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:47:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's fucking disgusting for you to say on a public forum.




To be quite fucking blunt, the women who accuse him have lost their careers because they came forward, as they knew they would. So it's pretty fucking absurd, and shows a complete lack of comprehension of the military's justice system and this case to make a comment like that.


Can't really evaluate that until the state of her career before the allegations is known. This wouldn't be the first instance of "mutually assured carreer destruction" after a promotion pass-over or judicial action.


Yes, we really can.
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 5:52:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2012 5:53:05 PM EDT by Rick-OShay]
Originally Posted By Josh:


Yes, we really can.


"But she also told Huggins she finally decided to report Sinclair after finding emails exchanged with other women in his account."

Emphasis mine, source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/06/14961775-captain-army-general-in-sex-case-threatened-to-kill-me?lite

Sinclair's defense team said the general passed a polygraph test in which he denied sexually assaulting the woman.

Emphasis mine, source: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/nov/19/4/wife-army-general-believes-sexual-misconduct-charg-ar-2793652/

So please enlighten me how "we really can" know for sure this isn't the ploy of a scorned woman with an already-trashed carreer who unsuccessfully tried to flat-back her way to field grade ....
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 8:14:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:
Originally Posted By Josh:


Yes, we really can.


"But she also told Huggins she finally decided to report Sinclair after finding emails exchanged with other women in his account."

Emphasis mine, source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/06/14961775-captain-army-general-in-sex-case-threatened-to-kill-me?lite

Sinclair's defense team said the general passed a polygraph test in which he denied sexually assaulting the woman.

Emphasis mine, source: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/nov/19/4/wife-army-general-believes-sexual-misconduct-charg-ar-2793652/

So please enlighten me how "we really can" know for sure this isn't the ploy of a scorned woman with an already-trashed carreer who unsuccessfully tried to flat-back her way to field grade ....


Her career wasn't "already trashed". She "trashed" her career when she reported him.

Polygraphs are absolutely, profoundly, completely, worthless for any purpose whatsoever, and inadmissible in court. There's a reason for that.
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 8:16:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


This.

Fuck 'em.
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 8:17:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I just don't see how guys like this rise all the way to general.

There had to be questionable behavior on his part long before he got promoted so high up.

barney frank ran a fucking prostitution ring

the dems had a known kkk member until he died only a couple years ago

and youre wondering how THIS general got to the rank he did?
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 10:48:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Josh:
Her career wasn't "already trashed". She "trashed" her career when she reported him.


You know the accuser's name and if sshe was on the last promotion list?

Polygraphs are absolutely, profoundly, completely, worthless for any purpose whatsoever, and inadmissible in court. There's a reason for that.


If so, why do I have to take one to get some tupes of governemnt clearance?

Link Posted: 12/24/2012 10:58:24 PM EDT
Generals need to understand you can't just rape and pillage like the good old days. You have this stupid shit called ROE. Plus women serve in the military in more than a sexual capacity.
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 11:05:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:
Originally Posted By Josh:
Her career wasn't "already trashed". She "trashed" her career when she reported him.


You know the accuser's name and if sshe was on the last promotion list?

Polygraphs are absolutely, profoundly, completely, worthless for any purpose whatsoever, and inadmissible in court. There's a reason for that.


If so, why do I have to take one to get some tupes of governemnt clearance?



You really want to argue polygraphs?
Link Posted: 12/24/2012 11:48:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jame_Retief:
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By Josh:
The allegations are that he raped three of his subordinates. It's a he'll of a lot more than "extra-marital sex".


It doesn't become rape until they get passed over for promotion. Kinda like not paying a prostitute.


That's not how it works.


That shouldn't be how it works. I have personally seen where bad behavior from superiors is tolerated until it is beneficial to push for charges.


Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:00:37 AM EDT
Lay the iron to him.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:17:17 AM EDT
The General deserves all the punishment if the allegations are true, regardless of the women's motivations for bringing the charges. If nothing else, to discourage other senior officers from exercising such pathetically poor judgement.

As far as the women themselves, there were 3 of them...at least. Over a period of several years it appeats. At least the one quoted only came forward when she saw she was being supplanted. And frankly, while it is likely that the General used his rank and power to coerce them, it appears that one or more of them only complained after things didn't turn out the way they wanted.

So...UCMJ all around. But I guarantee that more people knew about this than the General and his harem. His aides (unless it was these three women), his CSM, his PSD...a General is not anywhere close to anonymous in a combat zone. His staff covered for him, and they need to be punished too. Loyalty to your command is one thing, covering up felonious behavior is a completely different beast.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:18:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

Originally Posted By CSM:
He chose, poorly.


First post and all that


What are the words? Insertion, however slight, is enough to constitute the offense.


The word is 'penetration' good sir.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 7:10:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:
Originally Posted By Josh:


Yes, we really can.


"But she also told Huggins she finally decided to report Sinclair after finding emails exchanged with other women in his account."

Emphasis mine, source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/06/14961775-captain-army-general-in-sex-case-threatened-to-kill-me?lite

Sinclair's defense team said the general passed a polygraph test in which he denied sexually assaulting the woman.

Emphasis mine, source: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/nov/19/4/wife-army-general-believes-sexual-misconduct-charg-ar-2793652/

So please enlighten me how "we really can" know for sure this isn't the ploy of a scorned woman with an already-trashed carreer who unsuccessfully tried to flat-back her way to field grade ....


Her career wasn't "already trashed". She "trashed" her career when she reported him.

Polygraphs are absolutely, profoundly, completely, worthless for any purpose whatsoever, and inadmissible in court. There's a reason for that.


Here's where I have to disagree. She trashed her career when she had previously slept with the man willingly.

( And obviously, rape is a terrible crime, and consent during a prior sexual encounter has no bearing on what may have happened at a later time.)
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 7:11:39 AM EDT
He should be put on extra duty in the meantime
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