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Posted: 1/9/2015 12:56:00 PM EST
Rejected the ECP today so looks like it will open up to competitors. Everyone was so sure it would be a shoo in, in the other thread so what do you hope/think the new service pistol will be?

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/09/army-rejects-m9a3-proposal-opts-for-new-pistol.html
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:57:45 PM EST
They should at least evaluate it.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:58:07 PM EST
IT does seem tho the armys biggest complaint is the slide mounted safety which beretta DIDN'T address so maybe we will see another revision with a frame mounted safety which would be very
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:58:48 PM EST
Sad panda... Still hoping for commercial.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:59:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mad_mardigan:
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Per the article they won't saying it doesn't meet the MHS requirement because they didn't address the safety issue which was the #1 complaint.... which I tend to agree with.. I would LOVE a beretta with a frame mounted safety.
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Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:59:34 PM EST
They had to reject it since Beretta rejected a gun control shithole next to the seat of power, and decided to relocate to the "patron State of shootin' stuff".
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 12:59:41 PM EST
There is nothing wrong the current Beretta
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:01:27 PM EST
There will not be a new general issue pistol for decades. This is just another circle jerk for some retard to use as a bullet point for his/her next promotion.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:01:34 PM EST
I thought it allowed for decipher only.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:02:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
IT does seem tho the armys biggest complaint is the slide mounted safety which beretta DIDN'T address so maybe we will see another revision with a frame mounted safety which would be very
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That would honestly (aside from size) address most of my issues with the M9. If it's got to have a safety, let it be frame mounted and not slide! edit Oh, and no decocker unless it's a separate lever.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:02:52 PM EST
When I see a FDE M9A3 with Made in TN on it; I will have one.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:02:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hammermill:
There is nothing wrong the current Beretta
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big army says you're wrong. Although I do think this will turn into a big dog and pony show of bids and they will stick with the beretta in the end due to "budget concerns" like the last 3 times it was up for re consideration.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:05:20 PM EST
If these sentences don't sum up perfectly just how likely we are to see a new Army pistol by 2020 (ie...not at all), I don't think anything can:

The move clears the way for the Army to release a pending request for proposal that will launch the MHS competition.

Program Executive Office Soldier would not comment for this story until Army Public Affairs has approved a statement.
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Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:06:26 PM EST
They should take a look at Taurus then. The PT92 gets good reviews here just like the Colt Rail Gun.

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Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:06:32 PM EST
They could have easily made the slide mounted safety/decocker just a decocker. I don't think the m9 is the best option but not to evaluate it is just stupid.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:06:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
IT does seem tho the armys biggest complaint is the slide mounted safety which beretta DIDN'T address so maybe we will see another revision with a frame mounted safety which would be very
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Buy Taurus PT-92s and the slide mounted safety problem is solved. Maybe slap a rail on the front and you don't even need to buy new holsters.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:07:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
There will not be a new general issue pistol for decades. This is just another circle jerk for some retard to use as a bullet point for his/her next promotion.
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Yep; waste of taxpayer $$$
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:08:11 PM EST
yeah yeah whatever

is the commercial version still going to be made?
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:08:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By War_Face:
They could have easily made the slide mounted safety/decocker just a decocker. I don't think the m9 is the best option but not to evaluate it is just stupid.
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I think the M9A3 is a decock only.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:10:21 PM EST
so is this new FDE version going to be released to the public?
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:11:57 PM EST
Good. Too many parts to do the same job a gun with lesser parts could do.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:12:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hammermill:
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They have to be getting long in the tooth and things are more modern now. Handguns used in combat need to be able to mount optics and lights and such. That's why spec ops go off book a lot and use other platforms.

The Beretta should be a contender in its new form if they address the safety issue. I am not real sure of any real modern handguns though that would be able to field what they have in current production?

In my opinion the Glock series of guns make a lot of sense. World wide proven and endlessly modular between the full size and subcompact version they are requesting. Not to mention lightweight and rugged.

But no external safety like they want.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:14:55 PM EST
I hate slide mounted safeties...
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:15:11 PM EST
is this the gun that was supposed to overwhelm the emergency rooms with shooting victims if the army selected it?
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:16:41 PM EST
If I hadnt already bought a 92A1, i would buy one as well

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Originally Posted By Southernman077:
When I see a FDE M9A3 with Made in TN on it; I will have one.
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Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:17:34 PM EST
Out of all the problems facing the US army, is this really one that deserves shrinking budget dollars?

Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:18:45 PM EST
As long as they still release it to us, I don't care.

No matter what pistol they go with, it won't matter anyway. They'll be used way past their service life, parts wont get replaced so the gun will continue to beat itself apart, it'll get overcleaned and then start to rust because some dipshit NCO told his joes to clean until the finish comes off. Then once that gun is broken, loose and abused, they'll issue it to someone else ten years down the road that thinks it's a piece of shit because the one that they got is way past time for deadline. Then they'll start looking for a new pistol because the ones they have are junk, and the circle of life is complete.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:18:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
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Yep. I'd buy one with a frame mounted safety.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:19:30 PM EST
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Yep. I'd buy one with a frame mounted safety.
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
I hate slide mounted safeties...


Yep. I'd buy one with a frame mounted safety.


Taurus
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:21:12 PM EST
Browning Hi-Power.

Because reasons.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:21:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:



They have to be getting long in the tooth and things are more modern now. Handguns used in combat need to be able to mount optics and lights and such. That's why spec ops go off book a lot and use other platforms.

The Beretta should be a contender in its new form if they address the safety issue. I am not real sure of any real modern handguns though that would be able to field what they have in current production?

In my opinion the Glock series of guns make a lot of sense. World wide proven and endlessly modular between the full size and subcompact version they are requesting. Not to mention lightweight and rugged.

But no external safety like they want.
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Originally Posted By hammermill:
There is nothing wrong the current Beretta



They have to be getting long in the tooth and things are more modern now. Handguns used in combat need to be able to mount optics and lights and such. That's why spec ops go off book a lot and use other platforms.

The Beretta should be a contender in its new form if they address the safety issue. I am not real sure of any real modern handguns though that would be able to field what they have in current production?

In my opinion the Glock series of guns make a lot of sense. World wide proven and endlessly modular between the full size and subcompact version they are requesting. Not to mention lightweight and rugged.

But no external safety like they want.



Glock makes thumb safety models for contracts that require them. I don't think it's a good choice for general issue, but it's an option.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:22:58 PM EST
Why does everyone hate the slide mounted safety?? I barely notice it.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:23:31 PM EST
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Taurus
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
I hate slide mounted safeties...


Yep. I'd buy one with a frame mounted safety.


Taurus


People laugh but the early Taurus 92s were made in former beretta factories on beretta tooling built by former beretta employees they are G2g
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:23:34 PM EST
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Taurus
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
I hate slide mounted safeties...


Yep. I'd buy one with a frame mounted safety.


Taurus


That's a bit of a dealbreaker.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:23:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lokt:
Why does everyone hate the slide mounted safety?? I barely notice it.
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Because we have opposable thumbs that only really bend in one direction...
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:26:24 PM EST
I hate that it's so bulky and heavy when I open carry in gym shorts.

Compact polymer FTW.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:27:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Southernman077:
They had to reject it since Beretta rejected a gun control shithole next to the seat of power, and decided to relocate to the "patron State of shootin' stuff".
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I was thinking the same thing
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:30:24 PM EST
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Because we have opposable thumbs that only really bend in one direction...
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Originally Posted By lokt:
Why does everyone hate the slide mounted safety?? I barely notice it.


Because we have opposable thumbs that only really bend in one direction...


Sweeping the safety on the M9 as part of the draw has always been easy as hell to me. Maybe because I only really shoot glocks otherwise, I dunno. I've just never understood the bitching about it.

Originally Posted By packinheavy:
I think the M9A3 is a decock only.


Not as issued, but one thing they mentioned was that it was "readily convertible" to G model by an armorer. I assume that's their speak for "would take an arfcommer ten minutes".
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:31:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rocksarge:
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Bullshit there isn't.

The safety is in a retarded position. We had to leave out pistol chambers empty when outside the wire because they would routinely get moved from safe to fire through the normal duties of helicopter crewmembers.


Whats the fucking point of a safety if you don't know what position it will be in when you reach for it in a need?
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:31:17 PM EST
If the M9 is replaced my bet would be on the P320 variant because it is the most modular pistol out right now.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:32:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Xener4teener:
Browning Hi-Power.

Because reasons.
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On a totally different note, I would buy the crap out of a Hi-power with a polymer frame. It would balance the one difference between it and newer

designs.....weight.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:33:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Southernman077:
They had to reject it since Beretta rejected a gun control shithole next to the seat of power, and decided to relocate to the "patron State of shootin' stuff".
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This I am sure
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:33:36 PM EST
I think all this stuff should be required to be sourced from existing commercial guns. No way there isnt something made that will work just fine. The amount of money wasted on this shit is staggering.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:35:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:


Per the article they won't saying it doesn't meet the MHS requirement because they didn't address the safety issue which was the #1 complaint.... which I tend to agree with.. I would LOVE a beretta with a frame mounted safety.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
Originally Posted By mad_mardigan:
They should at least evaluate it.


Per the article they won't saying it doesn't meet the MHS requirement because they didn't address the safety issue which was the #1 complaint.... which I tend to agree with.. I would LOVE a beretta with a frame mounted safety.

Really? I don't think I have unusually long fingers or anything but I have no problem flicking off the safety on my Px4.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:36:18 PM EST
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Bullshit there isn't.

The safety is in a retarded position. We had to leave out pistol chambers empty when outside the wire because they would routinely get moved from safe to fire through the normal duties of helicopter crewmembers.


Whats the fucking point of a safety if you don't know what position it will be in when you reach for it in a need?
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Originally Posted By n20junkie:
Originally Posted By Rocksarge:
I thought it allowed for decipher only.



Bullshit there isn't.

The safety is in a retarded position. We had to leave out pistol chambers empty when outside the wire because they would routinely get moved from safe to fire through the normal duties of helicopter crewmembers.


Whats the fucking point of a safety if you don't know what position it will be in when you reach for it in a need?


I always carried mine with the safety off, I used it pretty much as just a decocker.

Problem solved.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:37:02 PM EST
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you might think im a dumbass for suggesting this but.

i think the ideal handgun for the general military would be a ruger p95 with a decocker. it might be a bulky handgun... but thats not a issue when its carried on a web belt..you can say what you want, but.

1. it would be 100% reliable.
2. be rugged as fuck.. about indestructable
3. be cheap as hell. ) prob $200-$300 each)
4. american made


special forces might need something more special... but for everyone else i dont see the downside. and it would save a fuck load of money. probably be at least 1/3 the price of anything else they choose from.

Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:37:21 PM EST
The Army is downsizing and killing important assets like the Kiowa.

Anything more than a gradual upgrade of existing pistols is stupid. A completely new platform? Fuck that.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
you might think im a dumbass for suggesting this but.

i think the ideal handgun for the general military would be a ruger p95 with a decocker. you can say what you want, but.

1. it would be 100% reliable.
2. be rugged as fuck.. about indestructable
3. be cheap as hell. ) prob $200-$300 each)


special forces might need something more special... but for everyone else i dont see the downside.
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Considering what the vast majority of the military use a handgun for you really aren't all that crazy.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:


big army says you're wrong. Although I do think this will turn into a big dog and pony show of bids and they will stick with the beretta in the end due to "budget concerns" like the last 3 times it was up for re consideration.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
Originally Posted By hammermill:
There is nothing wrong the current Beretta


big army says you're wrong. Although I do think this will turn into a big dog and pony show of bids and they will stick with the beretta in the end due to "budget concerns" like the last 3 times it was up for re consideration.


That's because big Army passes M9s around to different people and it gets treated like a drunk stripper in the barracks. Then after a few years you get a beat to hell pos pistol that desperately needs to be rebuilt or replaced, but since the commander and his staff get pencil whipped at the range, nobody cares enough to do it. Frankly, IMO, the way the Army handles pistol issue and operator/armorer maintaince is criminal.

Whatever your flavor of choice, glock, S&W, etc; if they are constantly mistreated and abused by the Army like the M9 is, you're going to end up with racks of fucked up pistols that barely shoot straight.
Link Posted: 1/9/2015 1:39:44 PM EST
Hopes they choose a 10mm.
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