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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:51:48 PM EDT
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Isn't that nice of him. But
But military prosecutors also put on the stand the doctor that was sent to Afghanistan in Lakin's place as well as his wife, also a doctor with the military. They testified about the last-minute nature of the deployment and how it affected their lives. Doesn't change anything for those folks. Fuck 'em. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:51:59 PM EDT
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Interesting turn of events.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:53:00 PM EDT
[#3]
What an idiot.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:54:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Isn't that nice of him. But But military prosecutors also put on the stand the doctor that was sent to Afghanistan in Lakin's place as well as his wife, also a doctor with the military. They testified about the last-minute nature of the deployment and how it affected their lives. Doesn't change anything for those folks. Fuck 'em. Yep. The damage was already done, it's alittle late. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:54:25 PM EDT
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We'll take one Big Chicken Dinner, to go please.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:55:27 PM EDT
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Man, I'm really torn on this one. I certainly agree with his original position, but that surely wasn't the right way to go about it.
Either way, I sure hope the good Doc doesn't go down the shitter over this. Seventeen years of faithful service is a lot to throw away. Of course, I know he should have thought of that before he deserted. 
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:56:14 PM EDT
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Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:57:49 PM EDT
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"I don't want it to end this way," said Lakin, a 17-year veteran of the Army. "I want to continue to serve."
I'll bet you don't. I'll bet you do. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:58:57 PM EDT
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Obama will pardon him in exchange for belief.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:59:40 PM EDT
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What a dumbass.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:59:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: We'll take one Big Chicken Dinner, to go please. Yup. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:59:55 PM EDT
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Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt. What he said. Stupid needs to hurt sometimes. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:00:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt. yep |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:02:14 PM EDT
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Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt. yep His wife is going to say to him, "God, you're such an IDIOT..." ...every day until he dies. Then she'll say, "God, he was such a fucking IDIOT..." |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:02:44 PM EDT
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Shit, I didn't want to go either but hey.....
That's a butt-load of crap to go through to make a point (I guess...?) |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:03:51 PM EDT
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Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt. What he said. Stupid needs to hurt sometimes. Unless theres something I don't know, you can't turn an Officer into Enlisted. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:05:33 PM EDT
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Shit, I didn't want to go either but hey..... That's a butt-load of crap to go through to make a point (I guess...?) At this point he would be better served to stick to his guns and see how it turns out. Damage has already been done. He played his cards now he's just waiting to see the other guys hand. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:05:54 PM EDT
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Bust him to private, kick him out, make it hurt. What he said. Stupid needs to hurt sometimes. Unless theres something I don't know, you can't turn an Officer into Enlisted. No, you can't. But, I'm willing to make an exception - My apologies to any Privates out there. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:06:41 PM EDT
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We'll take one Big Chicken Dinner, to go please. I thought officers couldn't get a bcd. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:08:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Shit, I didn't want to go either but hey..... That's a butt-load of crap to go through to make a point (I guess...?) At this point he would be better served to stick to his guns and see how it turns out. Damage has already been done. He played his cards now he's just waiting to see the other guys hand.  Is that a joke? Almost every time in a court martial, the defendant loses, except in the movies. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:08:08 PM EDT
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Hard heads have hard lives.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:11:03 PM EDT
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Just looked this up
Commissioned officers Commissioned officers cannot be reduced in rank by a court-martial, nor can they be given a bad conduct discharge or a dishonorable discharge. If an officer is convicted by a General Court-Martial, then that officer's sentence can include a "dismissal." This is considered to be the same as a dishonorable discharge. An officer convicted at court-martial, but not sentenced to a dismissal, can be dropped from the rolls, by the service Secretary. That is an administrative separation, not punitive. What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:16:03 PM EDT
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Just looked this up Commissioned officers Commissioned officers cannot be reduced in rank by a court-martial, nor can they be given a bad conduct discharge or a dishonorable discharge. If an officer is convicted by a General Court-Martial, then that officer's sentence can include a "dismissal." This is considered to be the same as a dishonorable discharge. An officer convicted at court-martial, but not sentenced to a dismissal, can be dropped from the rolls, by the service Secretary. That is an administrative separation, not punitive. What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? A dismissal is having your commission revoked and is the equivelant of a dishonorable discharge, and this is exactly what this ass should get. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:16:27 PM EDT
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What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? the crock is your comprehension of what a "commission" is, not how the system is set up.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:18:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Interesting turn of events. Heh... Funny how being convicted made him change his tune... 'I don't wanna give up my career now!' Too late, fuck you... Max him out and dismiss him from the service (equiv: Dishonorable Discharge) |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:18:27 PM EDT
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What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? the crock is your comprehension of what a "commission" is, not how the system is set up. Please explain, just seems like they don't have to deal with all the consequences of a dishonorable discharge. . . . sir |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:20:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? the crock is your comprehension of what a "commission" is, not how the system is set up. Please explain, just seems like they don't have to deal with all the consequences of a dishonorable discharge. . . . sir Dismissal is considered a DD and treated as such. It's not an adsep. It's a criminal sanction, a part of the sentence for the crime passed down by the court martial. HOWEVER, if the Court decides NOT to dismiss him, SecArmy can still say 'get the fuck out of my Army', and adsep him (DFR). |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:21:30 PM EDT
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What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? the crock is your comprehension of what a "commission" is, not how the system is set up. Please explain, just seems like they don't have to deal with all the consequences of a dishonorable discharge. . . . sir Dismissal is considered a DD and treated as such. It's not an adsep. Ahhhh, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 6:25:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a crock, they can't have rank taken away and it is an administrative separation. So if they get a dismissal it isn't considered a dishonorable as in the form 4473's and job apps etc? the crock is your comprehension of what a "commission" is, not how the system is set up. Please explain, just seems like they don't have to deal with all the consequences of a dishonorable discharge. . . . sir Dismissal is considered a DD and treated as such. It's not an adsep. Ahhhh, that makes sense. The administrative separation 'option' is available to SecArmy in the event that a convicted officer 'beats' dismissal at trial.... Essentially 'Yeah, you convinced them not to kick you out. But not me. YOU'RE FIRED'... That way, an officer who doesn't get dismissed by the Court can still be removed from the service, rather than going to prison and coming right back to work afterward... |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 7:07:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: We'll take one Big Chicken Dinner, to go please. I thought officers couldn't get a bcd. Not literally. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 7:18:35 PM EDT
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Shit, I didn't want to go either but hey..... That's a butt-load of crap to go through to make a point (I guess...?) At this point he would be better served to stick to his guns and see how it turns out. Damage has already been done. He played his cards now he's just waiting to see the other guys hand.
Is that a joke? Almost every time in a court martial, the defendant loses, except in the movies. Not a joke, but I don;t expect it to end well for him. he's gonna get fucked. But now he's gonna get fucked AND look like a pussy. He could have stuck to his guns and at least played it off as being "A man of conviction" (No pun intended) |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 12:20:22 PM EDT
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bump
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Posted: 12/16/2010 1:33:38 PM EDT
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bump
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Posted: 12/16/2010 1:49:18 PM EDT
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sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe, right wrong or indifferent and in the end you face the consequences
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Posted: 12/16/2010 2:00:42 PM EDT
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Why didn't he bitch and cause a scene when Obama got elected instead of
waiting 2 years till he got ORDERS TO DEPLOY? |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 2:04:31 PM EDT
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Why didn't he bitch and cause a scene when Obama got elected instead of waiting 2 years till he got ORDERS TO DEPLOY? One needs standing to fight something in the courts. He should have known better, though. If it were me, I'd have stuck to my guns. He has nothing more to lose at this point. Now, he just looks like a cowardly jackass instead of a good man standing up for his beliefs and his (misguided) understanding of his oath. |
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