Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Site Notices
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Posted: 8/3/2017 11:51:58 AM EST
Alright ARF, first a small confession. I might have been watching to many gun jesus and bloke on the range YouTube video's; but I am starting to get an urge for a C&R gun. I am torn between two firearms. 

The m1903a3

or

the K31

I know very little about either firearm other than both supposedly being fairly accurate. I am straight torn, but will not have the funds to "get both".

i need the hive's help
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:54:21 AM EST
I have both you need to get both
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:55:25 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Troll_toes:
I have both you need to get both
View Quote
If you had to pick one and sell the other, which would you choose. 
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:56:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2017 11:57:18 AM EST by Redarts]
Get both is a good idea but I enjoy shooting the k31 more. It's just a more unusual rifle than an otherwise fairly normal Mauser style 30-06.

Both are very accurate and will do well at the range.

I traded my 1903 and 1917 a few years back. I don't miss the 1903 at all really, although I do regret the 1917. It was a good trade overall though.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:57:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2017 11:57:48 AM EST by MVolkJ]
Both are very accurate rifles. If you look at vintage military rifle match scores, you'll see them both in the top places.

The '03-A3 will cost you more; you won't find a decent one for less than $600-700 these days.

The upside to the '03-A3 is that ammo is easier to find.

While I don't have a K31, I do have a K11, as well as a Remington '03-A3. If you asked me to pick one, I'd keep the '03-A3.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:59:01 AM EST
K31 is a better rifle, 03a3 has better sights.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:59:17 AM EST
The 03a3 has history and that is very cool, but at the end of the day it's essentially a Mauser.

The K31 is a fantastic shooting gun with an interesting action and superb milsurp ammo. Shooting the K31 is a joy.

So, it depends on if you to want to buy history or you want to shoot a gun.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 11:59:46 AM EST
I'd keep the K31. Wait, I did. The straight pull aspect makes the difference. I dont shoot old guns very much and I certainly am not a collector. You can get "a bolt action" in about a 100 different flavors. There aint many straight pull rifles out there......
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:00:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:03:01 PM EST
For the money I would go K31.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:03:46 PM EST
I like the 03A3's sights better, but it's otherwise a standard Mauser.

The Swiss rifles are not only more interesting, but they are built to a level of quality that exceeds all other military surplus firearms and most civilian stuff. If the K-31 was built today, it would be retarded expensive.

The catch is ammo. The Swiss GP-11 has supply shortages, and it's drying up, but realistically, you should be thinking about reloading either way.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:04:30 PM EST
I have both, and my aging eyes find the 1903A3 sights easier to aim with.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:13:19 PM EST
I have both, get both
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:17:04 PM EST
M1903A3 is a true blue American battle proven weapon in an easy to find caliber.

The K91 is built like a...well...SWISS watch..err..gun. Truly a pleasure to shoot. Ammo can be hard to find and expensive when you do.


I have both and I would not want to part with either.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:17:47 PM EST
K31 is a fucking dream to shoot

both are awesome but I vote K31
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:18:24 PM EST
This thread needs more pictures of Schmidt-Rubins and '03-A3s.


Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:20:41 PM EST
K31s are quite possibly the finest made military surplus rifle you will find. IMO the only others close in quality are earlier Swiss straight pulls and Swedish Mausers.

Beautiful fit and finish, extremely accurate, and made to last. I have 2 and will buy a few more some day
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:22:01 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By governmentman:
K31s are quite possibly the finest made military surplus rifle you will find. IMO the only others close in quality are earlier Swiss straight pulls and Swedish Mausers.

Beautiful fit and finish, extremely accurate, and made to last. I have 2 and will buy a few more some day
View Quote
You better buy them sooner rather than later......
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:26:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2017 12:42:21 PM EST by fury413rb]
a nice K31 is way cheaper than a nice 1903. Also, once the K31s dry up I dont think many people will sell them as they are that nice of a rifle.

I have both and I would sell my 1903 first before the K31.


Buy a K31 and get a case of GP11 while its still around.

Prvi makes reloadable ammunition as well


Oh and get a nice bayonet. They are so cool and mine is made by Victoria.

crappy ass picture with my steyr. f'ed up by photobucket

Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:29:30 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By fury413rb:
a nice K31 is way cheaper than a nice 1903. Also, once the K31s dry up I dont think many people will sell them as they are that nice of a rifle.

I have both and I would sell my 1903 first before the K31.


Buy a K31 and get a case of GP11 while its still around.

Prvi makes reloadable ammunition as well


Oh and get a nice bayonet. They are so cool and mine is made by Victoria.
View Quote
I still need to get one for my wifes K31. They are really cool looking
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:30:32 PM EST
K31
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:31:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:37:56 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


The Swiss rifles are not only more interesting, but they are built to a level of quality that exceeds all other military surplus firearms and most civilian stuff. If the K-31 was built today, it would be retarded expensive.
View Quote
An Argentine 1909 would debate the quality issue, but the sights are not as usable as Swiss sights.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:39:02 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

An Argentine 1909 would debate the quality issue, but the sights are not as usable as Swiss sights.
View Quote
I'd put the Argie '91 there too. Same sight issue, but the '91s are works of art.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:43:12 PM EST
Poll is live
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:48:47 PM EST
I've owned a lot of rifles.

My K31 is my favorite rifle.

Do it!
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:52:26 PM EST
Of my milsurps, the K31 is easily my favorite.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:55:19 PM EST
K31 is a pretty neat rifle and would cost a lot of money to reproduce today. 03 is another good rifle I own an 03 MK1 myself along with many Mausers, and a LE No4MKII.

Get both if you have access to both.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:58:50 PM EST
The K31 is one incredible rifle. I have two. One with the St. Marie (?) offset no gunsmithing scope mount and one with the Mojo no gunsmithing peep sights. One in walnut, one in birch. Both edge out my 03-A3 and 1917 accuracy wise. Both also had troop tags under the butplate which was a nice little historical bonus naming the citizen solder and canton they were from. With that said all the mentions of ammo being more expensive and more scarce are right on. Reloading is the answer as any .308 projectile will work. 155 gr. Nosler custom comps are fantastic in mine. Easily 1/2 moa in the scoped one.

So the answer is not "get both". It is get all four!
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:01:42 PM EST
K31 will be cheaper if you shop around. The straight pull is odd, but natural. The GP11 ammo is expensive, but it is the best milsurp ammo. Have fun.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:02:53 PM EST
Damn, that's a hard choice. Both are great rifles.

I would choose the 1903a3 because I think 30.06 is cheaper than 7.5X55 (I may be wrong though)
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:07:43 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Avidrook:
Damn, that's a hard choice. Both are great rifles.

I would choose the 1903a3 because I think 30.06 is cheaper than 7.5X55 (I may be wrong though)
View Quote


Nope, GP11 is about 60 cents per round and is practically match grade. You won't get 30-06 of the same quality anywhere near that price
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:11:24 PM EST
I've had both. The 03A3 has better sights, better ammo, better safety. The K31 is rarer, the 03A3 is a better rifle.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:30:20 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By docslester:
The K31 is one incredible rifle. I have two. One with the St. Marie (?) offset no gunsmithing scope mount and one with the Mojo no gunsmithing peep sights. One in walnut, one in birch. Both edge out my 03-A3 and 1917 accuracy wise. Both also had troop tags under the butplate which was a nice little historical bonus naming the citizen solder and canton they were from. With that said all the mentions of ammo being more expensive and more scarce are right on. Reloading is the answer as any .308 projectile will work. 155 gr. Nosler custom comps are fantastic in mine. Easily 1/2 moa in the scoped one.

So the answer is not "get both". It is get all four!
View Quote
Wait..... you can put an optic on the k31!!!

ive seen pictures of what looks like bubba'd "scout rifle" modifications and rails mounted to the top of the receiver... 

DETAILS PLEASE!!!
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:32:19 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
I like the 03A3's sights better, but it's otherwise a standard Mauser.

The Swiss rifles are not only more interesting, but they are built to a level of quality that exceeds all other military surplus firearms and most civilian stuff. If the K-31 was built today, it would be retarded expensive.

The catch is ammo. The Swiss GP-11 has supply shortages, and it's drying up, but realistically, you should be thinking about reloading either way.
View Quote
This covers it pretty much and 7.5 Swiss is easy to load for. I love my K-31 .
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:32:21 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Wait..... you can put an optic on the k31!!!

ive seen pictures of what looks like bubba'd "scout rifle" modifications and rails mounted to the top of the receiver... 

DETAILS PLEASE!!!
View Quote
I'll take some pics of the rifle my wife has, its got a side mount for the scope, if I remember correctly this requires no modification to the rifle at all
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:34:21 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Wait..... you can put an optic on the k31!!!

ive seen pictures of what looks like bubba'd "scout rifle" modifications and rails mounted to the top of the receiver... 

DETAILS PLEASE!!!
View Quote
http://www.swissproductsllc.com/
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:41:17 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:


I'll take some pics of the rifle my wife has, its got a side mount for the scope, if I remember correctly this requires no modification to the rifle at all
View Quote


I have the same Mount on one of mine. Clamps to right side of receiver and mine has never come loose accidentally. Scope will be offset to the right slightly, which is fine for my left handed self.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 1:57:28 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:


http://www.swissproductsllc.com/
View Quote


Im left handed, (right click/ save as)
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:12:20 PM EST
FPNI
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:20:43 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
I'd put the Argie '91 there too. Same sight issue, but the '91s are works of art.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

An Argentine 1909 would debate the quality issue, but the sights are not as usable as Swiss sights.
I'd put the Argie '91 there too. Same sight issue, but the '91s are works of art.
Ever handle a VZ 98/29 Persian Mauser? Works of art.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:24:23 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By bookertbab:
Ever handle a VZ 98/29 Persian Mauser? Works of art.
View Quote
Yes. Most of those old Mausers were simply beautiful guns. The cost to make them nowadays (as someone else mentioned) would just be staggering, nobody would pay it.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:27:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2017 2:29:49 PM EST by Et2ss]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
Both are very accurate rifles. If you look at vintage military rifle match scores, you'll see them both in the top places.

The '03-A3 will cost you more; you won't find a decent one for less than $600-700 these days.

The upside to the '03-A3 is that ammo is easier to find.

While I don't have a K31, I do have a K11, as well as a Remington '03-A3. If you asked me to pick one, I'd keep the '03-A3.
View Quote
Doesn't the K11 have a 2"+ shorter barrel


OP, unless you want the shorter length, go with a 96/11 or a 1911 SR

They are WAAAAAAAY more pleasant to shoot than a K31 (which is still fun), slicker action too
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:33:19 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Et2ss:



Doesn't the K11 have a 2"+ shorter barrel
View Quote
Yes. The K11's receiver is longer, though, so the overall length of the two is the same. The K31's barrel is not only longer, it's heavier. This makes it more accurate than the K11, but at the cost of weight. I also find the K11 has a smoother bolt pull and a nicer trigger on average as compared.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:52:36 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By governmentman:
Nope, GP11 is about 60 cents per round and is practically match grade. You won't get 30-06 of the same quality anywhere near that price
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By governmentman:
Originally Posted By Avidrook:
Damn, that's a hard choice. Both are great rifles.

I would choose the 1903a3 because I think 30.06 is cheaper than 7.5X55 (I may be wrong though)
Nope, GP11 is about 60 cents per round and is practically match grade. You won't get 30-06 of the same quality anywhere near that price
At this point, I don't think you can get any .30-06 ammo for that price, and the stuff that comes close isn't particularly good.

It looks like the going rate for a case (480rnds) of GP11 is ~$275 right now. So, you can probably still get a K-31 and a case of that awesome ammo for the price of a good 03A3.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 3:06:14 PM EST
I believe the price of 1903s has stabilized, so I'd buy the Swiss rifle first.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 3:09:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 3:13:48 PM EST
K31 all day, every day. 1903 was just a shitty Mauser knockoff.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 4:24:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2017 4:25:29 PM EST by Jagrmaister]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
If you had to pick one and sell the other, which would you choose. 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Originally Posted By Troll_toes:
I have both you need to get both
If you had to pick one and sell the other, which would you choose. 
Neither.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 4:31:53 PM EST
I have a bunch of american battle rifles except an 03, so 03.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 4:47:46 PM EST
These clamp on no modification needed scopes for the k31, how good are they. 

 do they hold zero?

do they damage the weapon?


as for the -03a3, I know they were the "sniper" variant. How accessible is the optics mount department for it?

i want to put an optic on whatever I grab; but I don't want to do anything to the origionality of the gun. 
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Top Top