Are there any 9mm or .45 ACP pistols the size of the Ruger LCP or KT P380?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Are there any 9mm or .45 ACP pistols the size of the Ruger LCP or KT P380?

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:08:22 AM EDT

Semiauto. Seems with the 9 and .380 being so close in size, it would be easy to do. I've got a Glock 36, which is single stack and small, but when you put it next to a P380, it's huge.

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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:28:38 AM EDT

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Rohrbaugh R9

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Seems with the 9 and .380 being so close in size, it would be easy to do.

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It's not so easy. Max pressure on the .380 is 21,000 PSI. It's 35,000 PSI for standard pressure 9mm and 38,500 for +p. Then you have +p+, subgun, and 9mm Major that don't have an actual SAAMI spec but are all considerably hotter. You need some sort of mass to contain that much pressure.

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:44:48 AM EDT

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The Springfield XDS is in the ball park and is available in 9mm, .40 and .45

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:45:37 AM EDT

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keltec PF9

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:47:43 AM EDT

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None as small that I know of.
Some are pretty close though.

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:48:31 AM EDT

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It's not so easy. Max pressure on the .380 is 21,000 PSI. It's 35,000 PSI for standard pressure 9mm and 38,500 for +p. Then you have +p+, subgun, and 9mm Major that don't have an actual SAAMI spec but are all considerably hotter. You need some sort of mass to contain that much pressure.

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Rohrbaugh R9

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Seems with the 9 and .380 being so close in size, it would be easy to do.

It's not so easy. Max pressure on the .380 is 21,000 PSI. It's 35,000 PSI for standard pressure 9mm and 38,500 for +p. Then you have +p+, subgun, and 9mm Major that don't have an actual SAAMI spec but are all considerably hotter. You need some sort of mass to contain that much pressure.

This.

Close in exterior cartridge dimensions has little to do with it. Generally, two entirely different operating systems used between those two cartridges.

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:51:30 AM EDT

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The Springfield XDS is in the ball park and is available in 9mm, .40 and .45

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XDs 45 4.0" is barely larger than a G43, same width
Xds 9 3.3 would be best bet to get the smallest one that is easiest to control

Posted: 2/14/2017 11:56:24 AM EDT

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XDS close to an LCP!!??

The slide weighs more than an LCP does. The PM/CM9 from Kahr are close, but still noticeably larger. If fact of the top 3 carry 9's I sell Shield/G43/XDS, the XDS is the largest and heaviest.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:02:34 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/14/2017 12:02:46 PM EDT

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This year's SHOT show bring in any new choices?

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:04:27 PM EDT

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Semmerling LM-4 .45ACP

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:07:20 PM EDT

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Kahr makes a pretty small 45

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:07:36 PM EDT

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A little bit bigger than a P380, but S&W Shield in 45 ACP, 40 S&W, or 9mm
I think XD has a single stack 45 also, but I've never handled one of those

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Posted: 2/14/2017 12:08:03 PM EDT

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keltec PF9

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This is about as close as you'll get, thinnest, lightest 9mm semiauto available.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:08:56 PM EDT

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The little Kahrs are pretty close. Pm9

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:11:49 PM EDT

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There's something over $1000...Rohrbaugh...investigate further if you wish...

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:13:01 PM EDT

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There's something over $1000...Rohrbaugh...investigate further if you wish...

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Well if we're getting carried away, Boberg XR9S

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:13:29 PM EDT

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I just got a Sig p938, not quite as small, but at 16 oz, I'm not sure I'd want to shoot it much if it were lighter. It's not fun to shoot after a box 124gr HST and a box of 124 NATO.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:15:31 PM EDT

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This is about as close as you'll get, thinnest, lightest 9mm semiauto available.

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Kel Tec gets a lot of flak around here, but mine goes 'bang' every time.
Zero malfunctions

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:15:57 PM EDT

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I just got a Sig p938, not quite as small, but at 16 oz, I'm not sure I'd want to shoot it much if it were lighter. It's not fun to shoot after a box 124gr HST and a box of 124 NATO.

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This is also a good choice.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:18:27 PM EDT

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Kahr PM9 or the Kimber Solo.

I had the PM9 as my primary carry gun for years and it was dependable and accurate. I shot the snot out of the gun with high pressure +P until the recoil spring wore out and I peened the barrel and slide. Kahr replaced the parts at no charge after being the original owner of six years.

Bought an early Kimber Solo. It didn't work out of the box and sent it to Kimber. Returned and it worked for month and I sent it back to Kimber. It's now works fine as long as I keep it extremely clean. I find I can shoot 50-70 rounds of good ammo before running into issues.

I also recently picked up another used Kimber Crimson Trace Solo Carry that has been 100%. This is the later model with factory checkered grip, night sights, and Crimson Trace grips. New MSRP was pretty high, IIRC around $1200.

Looks like Kimber dropped them from their product lineup. I didn't see any at SHOT or on their website.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:19:43 PM EDT

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No.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:21:25 PM EDT

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XDS close to an LCP!!??

The slide weighs more than an LCP does. The PM/CM9 from Kahr are close, but still noticeably larger. If fact of the top 3 carry 9's I sell Shield/G43/XDS, the XDS is the largest and heaviest.

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This thread is going to be great. Durrrr, my Glock 19 isn't much bigger than an LCP.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:25:07 PM EDT

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AMT backup .45 ACP is only slightly bigger in physical size than a Keltec P3AT

But the downside really outweigh the benefits:

1. It is fucking heavy because it is all stainless

2. The trigger is a very heavy DAO type even after some work (beyond a fluff and buff)

3. No sights, just a channel milled down the center of the slide

4. It is an AMT

5. Did I mention it is heavy

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:33:14 PM EDT

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XDs 45 4.0" is barely larger than a G43, same width
Xds 9 3.3 would be best bet to get the smallest one that is easiest to control

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The Springfield XDS is in the ball park and is available in 9mm, .40 and .45

XDs 45 4.0" is barely larger than a G43, same width
Xds 9 3.3 would be best bet to get the smallest one that is easiest to control

I have the 3.3 .45 and its not terrible, pretty accurate out to 25 yards.

Posted: 2/14/2017 12:35:23 PM EDT

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XDS close to an LCP!!??

The slide weighs more than an LCP does. The PM/CM9 from Kahr are close, but still noticeably larger. If fact of the top 3 carry 9's I sell Shield/G43/XDS, the XDS is the largest and heaviest.

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OP is asking for a tall order. Based on first hand knowledge I gave him an option. I know it was not exactly what he is looking for but the only advice I could offer based on what I own/have shot.